Talk:Solitaire

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Patience (game) → Solitaire – I know this will be contested, but we should generally not put some European/British bias when deciding on the article title. It is universally known as solitaire, even the largest websites that offer the game genre are called Solitaire. It is simply WP:COMMONNAME. ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Per WP:ENGVAR arguments about retaining existing national variety of English form articulated in the previous move discussion.

Rafts of Calm (talk) 20:24, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:RETAIN. See RMs from 2018 and 2019 also. 162 etc. (talk) 20:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose the base name should remain a disambiguation page, regardless of what happnes to this article; COMMONNAME has nothing to do with moving the disambiguation page, and this nomination is malformed without stating that this is a primary topic usurpation move. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Solitaire as suggested below. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vestrian24Bio 03:09, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Patience (game) → Solitaire (card game)Solitaire (card game) – Per WP:COMMONALITY, in British English the game is probably today more commonly known as "solitaire" due to Microsoft Solitaire. Although Britannica may be biased it is at solitaire. If we were talking 40 years ago it would be a different question but today this topic appears to be called "solitaire" rather than "patience" in British English and COMMONALITY trumps WP:RETAIN. The name "patience" is dated in British English and doesn't appear to be used in American English so the current title is British centric at worst. We should try to be as inclusive as possible by using names that most people use rather than those that are dated in one country. I have included "card" in the qualifier due to other games like peg solitaire. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 00:22, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

• Give it up. This has been proposed over and over. In the last discussion, it was unanimously opposed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:55, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

  RETAIN was the main reason given in the most recent RM of which COMMONALITY trumps (I am a supporter of RETAIN and when it is moving Color to Colour or Orange (colour) to Orange (color) we shouldn't because "colour" is only British and "Color" is only American while "Solitaire" today is used in British English) and unlike previous RMs this doesn't make the card game primary for the base name Solitaire. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

• Move to Solitaire, displacing DAB page per the previous discussion(s). WP:NATURAL overrides RETAIN and the addition of COMMONALITY provides an even stronger argument. RETAIN can still have exceptions when there is an obvious benefit to moving, and I believe there is one here. I assume this will be shot down like last time but I don't believe there is a valid policy-based reason to do so. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:21, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

  I've notified the DAB of this suggestion per WP:NOTOTHERPAGES though I'm not sure the card game is primary[]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:06, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

  Could make the same argument for Peg solitaire which is what most Brits would think of, and I wouldn't suggest any move there. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

  I think today slightly more Brits would think of the card game but I still agree many would think of peg. What's wrong with the suggested move with the qualifier? ENGVAR and RETAIN are trumped by COMMONALITY at least. What would be interesting to know is what is it called in places like Australia and New Zealand? The article says in Canada it is called "solitaire". Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:02, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

  I remembered reading this at Christmas. Interesting, and relevant, footnote! YorkshireExpat (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

  Yes that deals with the peg use, that is to say that the use of "solitaire" to mean the peg game is still common which opposes the alternative suggestion on moving to "Solitaire" but doesn't support that "patience" is the common name in the UK. Even if British people use "patience" more than "solitaire" for the card game COMMONALITY would still apply as it appears Americans don't use "patience" at all. The only way RETAIN would apply is if another country such as Australia only used "patience". Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

  Well, here's a couple of NZ links with pictures of what they're calling solitaire, and here's another NZ link referring to patience as a card game. Australian Patience seems to also be a card game. YorkshireExpat (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per previous discussions, WP:ENGVAR, and WP:RETAIN. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per ENGVAR and RETAIN. The card game is still known as patience in British English. Peg solitaire is what we'd think of for solitaire. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:14, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

  But isn't it more commonly known as "solitaire" despite peg solitaire? Even if not COMMONALITY probably applies. If we were writing only for British people I would still use "solitaire" because I think that's what most people call it today. I played solitaire on my computer a few weeks ago but I don't think I've heard it called "patience" for decades. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:14, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

  No, it isn't. I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as solitaire in the UK. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

  But as has been said British people do call it "solitaire" and some (like me) think it is the most common term today, Americans apparently do not use the term "patience", most people who have access to a computer and play the game will have used Microsoft Solitaire. In order to establish COMMONALITY in a US v UK debate (if "patience" isn't used in American English) it only needs to be the case that "solitaire" is at least sometimes used in British English even if not the most common term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• Move to Solitaire per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and WP:COMMONALITY. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:33, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
• Move to Solitaire precisely per Rreagan007 as well as the most recent comment by Swale Crouch, perfectly put. We are approaching WP:YOGURT levels here; once the move is finally made (whether in 2026 or in 2036 after another decade of "no consensus" requests), there will be no argument whatsoever in favor of putting it back at Patience (game). Red Slash 17:57, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Games and WikiProject Board and table games have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 00:23, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

• As far as the move goes as noted I'm not sure if the card game is primary for "Solitaire" per views[] since even if you count Microsoft for the card game the card game doesn't get more views than the others combined and Mahjong solitaire has nearly as many. I think this seems reasonable, British people call the card game "solitaire" and "patience" so COMMONALITY probably applies but British people also think of peg when "solitaire" is mentioned and per the views it doesn't appear the card game is the primary topic and NATURAL probably isn't the most important reason for the move as think COMMONALITY would generally trump NATURAL if we were deciding between a NATURAL and COMMONALITY title (which we aren't so it doesn't matter). Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

  WikiNav shows that 66.91% of outgoing pageviews go to this article compared to 17.56% going to Klondike (solitaire). I believe that is partly enough for the article to pass WP:PT1. Thanks, 1isall (talk | contribs) 12:42, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

  I was talking about distinct meaning, Klondike is a subtopic so probably isn't a competitor per WP:DABCONCEPT and the views support the gard game being primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:03, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

  Oh. Thanks, 1isall (talk | contribs) 19:10, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

• Move to Solitaire per the WikiNav stats. Rreagan007 and Red Slash make great arguments that I agree with, so I'm weighing those into my comment as well. Move the current disambiguation page to Solitaire (disambiguation). Thanks, 1isall (talk | contribs) 19:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
• Support per MOS:COMMONALITY, as an addition, the game is also solitaire in India english. No comment on whether it is the primary topic. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 06:24, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
• Move to Solitaire and move the disambiguation page to Solitaire (disambiguation). BD2412 T 01:42, 19 February 2026 (UTC)