Talk:Yuri Lowenthal

hey, i have proof that yuri lowenthal is in tales of xillia 2, here a walkthrough of his voice being played as additional voice, check it out and you'll soon change your mind about undoing my new data that i'd just put: ^[1] so what did you think? :-)Norozco1 (talk) 17:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Additional voice isn't significant enough to include in the filmography. And there's nothing that indicates that's his voice officially. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey, on your latest update to the article, your reason for this was, and i quote 'note guilty gear ref is still a problem', and i just to know just one thing, how can i make it not a problem for this article? Because i can try to make it not a problem as much as it is now, i just don't know how, and besides that, i found out that in the new game, Guilty Gear Xrd, yuri voices as bedman for the series, and i don't know how to prove it, so what should i do? :-( Norozco1 (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a blog post from a reliable source, tweet from Lowenthal, or resume snapshot that lists his role in the series? A review from a major game magazine would be good too, or an interview where the interviewer lists the role and asks Lowenthal about it. -AngusWOOF (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey thanks, i took your advice, and i tweeted him on twitter, so hopefully by tomorrow, i'll get a confirmation from him, Ok' :-) Norozco1 (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Even though a tweet or a resume update is a primary source, it's better than nothing, and can be scrutinized as public record. Cite video game and cite episode works well for most credits except where they are grouped under "Additional Voices / Voice Talent". I've put in his BTVA references which were screenshots of closing credits. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks, i'll keep that in mind to use in the near future, ok. :-) Norozco1 (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey dude, I have great news, I just got a confirmation from Yuri Lowenthal himself on twitter that he has voiced sin and that man in The Guilty Gear 2: Overture, and I'm still waiting to confirm if he's voicing The Bedman in the new Guilty Gear video game, Guilty Gear Xrd, ya know! :) Norozco1 (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Dude, you forgot to put a confirmation that he also voiced Sin as well, Because he made the confirmation himself ya know! :/ Norozco1 (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, got that one in too! just waiting on the xrd one now -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:23, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, only he hasn't replied yet, but don't worry because i think he's probably busy at the moment, so let wait for him to be done with what he has to do, but untill then, just be patient ok! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 20:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey, great news, i've finally got a confirmation from Yuri Lowenthal, himself, that he is voiced as the Bedman in the new video game, Guilty Gear Xrd, So your wait is over and you can now put the confirmation in the article, Ok! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

In response to this revert, Yuri's roles in Skylanders need to be reviewed again for lack of references.

So far the only things that have been confirmed are:

• Yuri voices characters in Giants (2012), Swap Force (2013), and Trap Team (2014).
• The closing credits do not specify a specific role for any of the voice actors, listing them instead as Voice Actors or Voice Cast.
• Yuri voiced Fright Rider on Trap Team. (kidzcoolit source)
• Yuri voiced Softpaw and other characters (not specified which others) but is mainly known for Softpaw on Swap Force (coin op TV with Tara Platt)

IMDb, voice chasers, giantbomb, GameFAQs, and amateur voice matching youtube videos are not reliable sources.

To state that he voiced Fright Rider or other specific characters on all three games is WP:OR. Since he doesn't have an online resume, if someone can ask him on Twitter or dig up some more interviews, that would be better. -AngusWOOF (talk) 05:17, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

From what I understand, asking Lowenthal on Twitter would still comprise WP:OR, since we are not reporters. (I'm trying to dig up a specific guideline, though.) I'm not sure why there is such a push to include information that can't be adequately supported. Wikipedia is not a breaking news source and we have no deadline. If something cannot be verified, we should omit it until such time as a reliable source can support it. Not sure why this is so confusing. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Well then, what do you think we should do to keep it from being omited? :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

When he has responded on Twitter to confirm/deny roles falls more in the WP:SELFPUB category; it would be OR if it were done through private media, although caution should be exercised if the person has a reputation of claiming falsehoods on their credits (not likely for Lowenthal himself so far) -AngusWOOF (talk) 19:02, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's actually true in some cases like this topic, but that's not exactly an answer to my previous question that i've just asked, ya know! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 21:23, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Although it TRUE we need to find the actual sources where he confirms the other Skylanders, it will be tedious work, as it will take months, to years until we gave up. To be quite honest I felt that in my opinion the "better source needed" tag was used a s an insurance to keep it intact until we find the actual reliable source.73.166.187.154 (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, then how do you suppose we find a better source for this, because you have to admit that yuri lowenthal is definitely in this game, you know that, right? :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 23:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Found a twitter remark for Fright Rider in Swap Force. Still have nothing on Trail Blazer. -AngusWOOF (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Great, that's one source found, lets keep looking for more, ok guys! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 03:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, check out Yuri Lowenthal's interview, it's just off the charts right now, take a look: http://blog.viewster.com/yuri-lowenthal-interview-ill-likely-do-this-until-my-last-breath/ Do ya think that this kind of information could be good enough to be use as a source for this page! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 02:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I've added it to refideas and started using it in the career section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

ok, I've notice that we have been having issues with the rowspanning of filmography entries, so let me tell you guys what happens with or without this option, so we'll start off what happens if we have this option, what happens with this option is that it's easy, takes less time to do it, and best of all, it takes less bytes then usual, but what happens without this option is that it's hard, takes much time to do it, and most importantly, it takes more bytes then usual, so that why I need you to answer this important question, would rather have this option on the Filmography entries, or without it?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I know it's easy to implement but it's got issues with WP:FILMOGRAPHY and MOS:DTT accessibility. Where there's an obvious benefit as with discography / singles and movie releases, I don't see the problem with rowspanning the years. However, with television programs that start and end in all sorts of durations, it gets complicated. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:52, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Really, how does it get complicated exactly?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 02:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's a post by another WP:FILMOGRAPHY editor that might explain it better than I might have: User_talk:73.29.184.78#On_not_using_.27rowspan.27_in_WP:FILMOGRAPHY_table AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok I see this User's point, but isn't there a way to get around tgat, or maybe do a debate about ot, or something?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 02:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

This article has gone off the rails in terms of scope, particularly in the section on his video game work. It's simply far too long. Wikipedia is not IMDb. We're not here to catalog every single thing this guy has ever done, we're here to present an overview of the subject's most notable roles. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. We don't need entries for vague crap like "Additional voices", for example. It's listcruft. It's simply impractical to keep adding every bit of work he gets—he works a lot. For perspective, at Troy Aikman, editors didn't endeavor to log every pass in every game that Aikman played. There is, however, a summary table that wraps up his performance year by year. Editors should keep this in mind, because it could be heartbreaking once this article receives the serious pruning that it deserves. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

What in the world is wrong with putting in Additional voices, many of them were NOT from IMDB FYI, secondly if you looked at the end credits for the video games films, and television episodes, some of the voice actors ARE listed for Additional voices. So no, I don't think we should remove Additional voices on ANY of the Voice Actors pages, as long as we find the right source from Video game film, etc... and doesn't come from IMDB the conflict will not continue to escalate. :/

Seriously this is the same pattern that I've been noticing in regards to changes that happen in a day, month, or year: the notable roles for the actors, MOS:BOLD, the year or births of the voice actors, the relevance/importance to the movies plotlines, and now removal of Additional voices for the Actors and actresses. If you and Angus would like to have it your way then very well I'll remove every Additional voice from the voice actors on Wikipedia. :-( — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnimeDisneylover95 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Your response is all over the map. I didn't say that you got the information from IMDb, I said that Wikipedia is not IMDb. The project does not exist to replace IMDb, or any other resource. We are not here to add a new entry every time Lowenthal farts into a microphone. Since you seemed to miss it from my first comment: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I have no idea what you're talking about re: birthdates, so I'll just point you to WP:BLPPRIVACY. Plotlines? I have no idea what you're talking about. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:20, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

As I wrote on my talk page regarding the Additional Voices, It depends on how the role has impacted the VA's career. If he's just one of tens or hundreds of voices, or among the wallas/loop groups, or voice doubles, then there needs to be some references that show that the actor's bit role is important, whether it be that it boosted their chance of getting another role such as Kari Wahlgren's minor Disney appearances enabled her to voice the lead role in Paperman, or Bridget Hoffman's loop group credit being listed among the voice cast in the Oscar nominations. The "complete" lists can always be listed in the external links to IMDb, ANN, and their websites, in case someone wants to find those roles anyway.

Regarding Yuri Lowenthal's filmography, I removed many of the Additional Voices, but I changed over some to Various characters as he did get credited for a bunch of miscellaneous characters in shows, much like how Pokemon voice actors voice a bunch of characters that are individually credited. Also if he is a regular in the Additional voices section, that's a good case for it to stay as they are using him in for miscellaneous episodic and guest voice roles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Alright, we see your point, but that doesn't mean that he's right about the Additional voices not being removed, especially the part about finding the right sources from Video Games, and etc. So you can at least take his statement into consideration and re-add all of that data you've just removed from the article before we find the right sources for each and everyone one of them, ok dude?! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 21:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

That's a different beast of having to dig up sources for each entry. The filmography has not been scrubbed for that at all. I just don't think it's worth digging up sources for entries that are likely not going to stay around for notability reasons. So he's in "Adventures in Voice Acting"? Great. So are hundreds of others. Find the articles that show his name being used to advertise the series. Then add it back. Not a big deal. For additional voices, find the cast announcements that say the show also features the (guest) voices of Yuri Lowenthal. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I want to say that the editors have been heavily vested in finding the sources for all these entries, so I totally understand that effort not going to waste. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Now that was well said, Angus, and i know that you won't let the editors down, cause i've got your full support on this dude! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I do want to stress that verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Though great pains may have been taken for many of these, it is not the aim of this project to catalog everything this guy has done. It's simply not a sustainable endeavor. Lowenthal (or any number of other actors) could have steady work for another 40 years—what, we're going to devote dozens of articles to tracking his career? Listcruft. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, but still, it's too soon to know for sure, the same with the indie projects like hullabaloo, and besides, Angus said that he's going to take of it, so no worries, ok dude! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 04:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Huh? Are you involved in the same discussion that everybody else is involved in? It's unclear who you are replying to, or what your argument is. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, i'm involved in the same discussion that everybody else is involved in, and what i stated before is what my argument is, so, and my argument is additional voices not to be removed, especially kickstarter-level films, or any indie project that was involved in, could certainly deserve a chance to to find a right sources for them, ya know. :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 12:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

And what Wikipedia guideline or policy are you basing your argument on? Wikipedia is not a democracy, so we don't vote. You need to be able to articulate how your argument relates to Wikipedia guidelines or policies. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

The Kickstarter project shouldn't be listed. It's neither his personal project (like his books or Shelf Life) nor one he has a strong vested interest in so that one needs to meet notability on its own. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, i see your point, but i understand that wikipedia isn't a democracy, and we don't vote on it, so what i'm basing my argument on is that we can't remove these indie projects just, cause if we can't use these links as sources, then let's just trying using the right souces for this, and see if these right sources will work. for ya see, these projects should also deserve to get a chance to survive notability concerns first since the entire filmography has not been scrubbed, just like the Additional Voices as well. :-) Norozco1 (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Kickstarter-level projects also have a harder time getting an article here if there are no notable producers behind them as then it just becomes WP:CRYSTAL. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:33, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, then what about getting verification from the voice actor himself to confirn these project, at least getting some confirmation from him, we can make sure that this doesn't become WP:CRYSTAL, ya know. :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 23:47, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks like Additional voices will have to be remove then, that's life in a nutshell for ya. :(--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 03:57, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Now wait just a minute, just because you think it's over doesn't mean that you getting to decide that it is, while throwing a temper tantrum, and besides, we haven't ever got a chance to find any right sources for these yet, the same with the kickstarter projects, that still need the right sources as well, and i seriously doubt that by blocking you from this article will resolve or change at this point, so i was think that we should try to compromise on this so that we can work together and not fight about it, ya know! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 05:26, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that, It's just because of Cyphiodbomb's and AngusWoof's Reluctance on what they considered is THEIR rules, especially in regards to the Additional voices for Yuri.--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 03:53, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Nice passive-aggressive complaint. Do you plan to contribute constructively to the discussion? I opened the conversation because in my estimation the filmography section is overwhelming and indiscriminate, and while it is clear that the notion of paring down the article irritates you, you've presented no sound argument for why we should continue to add to these ponderous lists, which means that if the content disappears, you will bear an equal part of the responsibility. If you have a captivating argument based on existing Wikipedia guidelines I'm all ears. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah dude, we're willing to listen on what you havd to say, so please, be our guess! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 10:14, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

It's not my personal rule to require sources but WP:V's. Here's a recent example for Dee Bradley Baker. An editor posted that he voices Boba Fett in Disney Infinity 3.0. I looked at the closing credits and he is listed there, along with a hundred other voice actors. None of them have individual credited characters. Yuri Lowenthal is also on that list. How would I know if that person has a notable role in the production? In Baker's case, Boba Fett is one of the playable figurine characters in the Star Wars set so he should be important. His entry is pending sources to confirm that. But if Lowenthal is just a background supporting voice, then it's difficult to keep him on the list unless there's a press article that notes him as one of the notable voice talents in the game. If Lowenthal tweets, "check out disney infinity 3.0. I voice X" or puts that at the top of his resume or news site, then he is adding significance to the role as well. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:00, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

that's an excellent point that you made dude, and i wouldn't of said it better myself! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Here's a recently cited example video (thanks Lacon432) where they highlight the voice actors names but some do not get specific credit yet: CoinOpTV (September 16, 2015). "Lego Dimensions Voice Actors Interviews". YouTube. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:08, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

an excellent example, but is there an example of Additional Voices that you can put out there as well, just so that we can see the difference between the two! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norozco1 (talk 14:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I can go with my original example of Bridget Hoffman in Frozen, listed as Additional voices in the closing credits, but appears on the Oscars list. But most articles are along the lines of general cast announcements with miscellaneous voices tacked at the end, like for Kenta Miyake and for Jon Heder. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:50, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

ok, i think i starting to understand this more and more, but how about you start explain why do indie projects have a harder time getting an article here if there are no notable producers behind them as then it just becomes WP:CRYSTAL? even if you think that's the case, i indicate that it's not the case at all, cause these projects that Yuri lowenthal was involved in are extremely important for this article, and just like the additional voices, should also deserve to get a chance to survive notability concerns first since the entire filmography has not been scrubbed, and hopefully try finding the right sources for each of them, so if you can explain why we can't do this request, then i'll stop bringing this up again, ok! :-/ Norozco1 (talk) 21:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

In general there's WP:LSC and WP:CSC for entries in a list. This would fall more along the "hundreds of entries" grouping instead of the "complete ten but two non-notables". The kickstarter redlink is much like the actor planning to write up their memoirs but it has not been published yet. Even then I just don't see a personal stake in it like he has done with Shelf Life and his Voice Actor book. When I mentioned crystal, I was also thinking of WP:CRYSTALHAMMER on upcoming projects. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

ok, now i'm starting to see your point, but if that's the case, then doesn't this mean that a confirmations from Yuri Lowenthal, himself, won't be able to cut it as the right sources for Additional Voices and other projects either?! :-( Norozco1 (talk) 05:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

What kind of confirmation? If Yuri tweets "yes, I voiced in that.", it can be used to verify most roles. But that isn't establishing notability or significance. Adding significance would be a comment like "Hey check it out. I'm voicing in X tonight as character Y. You can see me at this scene. I'm in the red shirt. I'm excited as this is my first prime-time appearance on national television." Or, "I'll be voicing a bunch of miscellaneous characters for the show. I will play Bob the student in this episode. check it out." (Bob gets listed among the Additional characters). Or if he adds it to his resume and removes other roles. The latter effort is showing that he thinks the bit part is quite significant to his career. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

ok, now i finally understand this, so thanks for the explanation dude! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 23:06, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

William & Mary alumni writeup confirms Ohio as his birth place but also mentions Nashville and northern Virginia as hometowns. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:35, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Other alumni writeups such as ones from JET also confirm this. So this would override the Robotech interview for birth place. If there's a primary tweet that says "I am born in" then this can be revisited. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:10, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Not really sure how to edit pages, but I have the tweet ^[1] ,Went and asked the man himself, he was indeed born in Alliance Ohio RankoHibiki (talk) 19:31, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

That works. Thanks for asking and having it official on twitter. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:08, 26 September 2018 (UTC)