User talk:777network

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Gülgöze, Midyat, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (my edits)} 12:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean have a reliable source? I am Aramean, my father is from Iwardo, that is my source! If not, I am pretty sure the books of David Gaunt can assure you of what I speak. 777network (talk) 13:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

You can't cite yourself as a source. You can only write something on Wikipedia if there is a published source, which other readers/editors could theoretically check, that backs it up. (t · c) buidhe 14:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Sayfo. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 14:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Sayfo, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait what? I am from Midyat, I know this outside and in. You are the ones that need to stop this psychological warfare. There are no assyrians in Midyat, they are ALL Arameans and the source is ME because I am from there and there are thousands of sources! Don't change back or I'll report you. 777network (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I have now added my source, you can both go to h3ll now, you erased hours of work for nothing. Stupid! 777network (talk) 16:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

You are not WP:RS. Read what WP:RS means. You are not a source of authority. I am partly from Tehran, so if I say everyone in Tehran rides donkeys instead of cars, does that mean we should believe that? It's an incredibly flawed logic. And feel free to report, you'll just get blocked. Also, please avoid WP:NPA. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Defence of Iwardo, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Listen dude. Stop annoying me. I am from AYNWARDO. I AM ARAMEAN. Do you not get that you have been lied to by the assyrians? Who has given you mandate to edit more than I do? Who are you again? 777network (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

No one cares about your background, it does not give you any special rights. Again, you are not a scholar, you are not WP:RS - in other words, your personal opinion/deductions mean zero. Continue, and you will be reported to WP:ANI. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:28, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I am a scholar. I have given you reliable sources. So once again, what rights do you have to take it down? "I am going to report you" well sure you do, I am however reporting you to my Creator God for your lies about my people. Enjoy! 777network (talk) 17:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

No, you're not. No, you have not. Read WP:RS. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, even if you have WP:RS, that does not justify you removing/altering sourced info. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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I forgot to leave you this earlier so I'm just stopping by to let you know per . Please note that topics related to Assyrian/Chaldean/Aramean/Syriac identity, culture, and politics are under General sanctions, and care should be given to be as neutral and polite as possible when dealing with these sensitive subjects. Surayeproject3 (talk) 14:35, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

@777network Please note that your latest edit on Mor Gabriel Monastery may count as violation of these sanctions. Given the pile of warnings above by multiple users, looks like you need to familiarize yourself with WP:RS, WP:OR, and WP:V. Hogshine (talk) 11:01, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Any non-involved editor/admin can take a look for themselves whether or not I corrected WP:RS, WP:OR, and WP:V. 777network (talk) 11:51, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

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Please note that your recent edits on Barhebraeus () constitute copyright violations by directly copying from the sources as-is, including WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING. See Wikimedia:Terms of Use, Wikipedia:Copyrights, and WP:CVREPEAT.

Please also note that the new source you added, the new page numbers on old sources, and some statements like "identifies as ethnically Syrian" do not check out; make sure you adhere by WP:V to avoid problems. Hogshine (talk) 06:54, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

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That was unfortunate, i do not understand what will happen now, is the article completely gone or will it be sent to a draft or something where i can fix the copyright violations? i was getting familiar with the whole copyright thing yesterday and cleaned up some copyvios i had done on a few articles! 777network (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

I dont have access to those books specifically they are not available to me, but i have them saved as pdfs and have read the few passages i used as reference. but i cannot see all copyvio i have done. 777network (talk) 18:29, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

If I want to work on it again, will the copyvio version be moved to the temp page? So I can work based on that? Or will I need to do everything from scratch? 777network (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

If you don't have access to the source, how did you commit copyvio then? And if you want to start a rewrite, I will say that this article will likely be deleted. If you want to restart, I can send you the sources, but I cannot and will not restore any text. Do not copy any content over to the temp page because everything in the article is likely a problem. The content must be written by you, not by any LLM or copied from anywhere, and it must be verifiable in sources that you have on-hand. Sennecaster (Chat) 03:13, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

"have them saved as pdfs" 777 has access to them.©Geni (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

You were told you needed to restart but the draft you have produced uses some identical phrasings like "A key imperial policy was deportation: moving conquered peoples east brought many Aramaic speakers into the Assyrian heartland.".©Geni (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I know I am not gonna publish anything and this time I am going through request for article. It won't go to mainspace until everything is solved, I have tried to do this for a week now But i actaully do not know how to incorporate the information without being slightly similiar to the source ? i was told the copyvio was on three of the sources i used not on the one that has "A key imperial policy was deportation" stated, but i will definitely go over this one as well 777network (talk) 21:26, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I have now changed that section thoroughly, and i'm going to do so on every other section as well. 777network (talk) 22:44, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

©Sennecaster ©ComplexRational I just created a new draft, but I won’t submit it for Articles for Creation (AfC) this time until I’m certain there’s no copyvio. Personally, I think I’ve changed it quite a bit. If any of you have time, could you please help by checking whether it’s fixed now? I tried using the temporary article option, but it seemed to publish directly to mainspace, and the message I left on my talk page wasn’t answered. So I figured sticking with a draft might be easier. 777network (talk) 21:20, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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@777network Please stop making these changes; they're in violation of MOS:DATE. If you continue it can lead to a block from Wikipedia grapesurgeon (talk) 14:06, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the information. I did not know this, apologies. I thought this would be included as a grammar fix. But now I know this, thank you. 777network (talk) 14:13, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

In future, check the MOS before making mass changes like this. You did this like 70 times; created work for other people. grapesurgeon (talk) 14:13, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for that, ok I will check this. Once again apologies! 777network (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, can you please explain this edit? This appears to me to be a pretty straightforward violation of your warning not to change one ACAS identity word for another. -- asilvering (talk) 23:46, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind. This one is much worse, so I will issue a tempblock. -- asilvering (talk) 23:49, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

My apologies. You actually haven't received a formal "don't change one to the other" warning. I am giving you that warning now: if you replace one identity word (eg Syriac, Assyrian) with another one, for any reason other than correcting a source-text integrity issue (eg, that the source said "Assyrian", but our article had "Syriac", and you are correcting our article to match with "Assyrian"), I will tban you from WP:GS/ACAS. Please see this previous post on my talk page explaining this in more detail for other editors who are under the same warning. -- asilvering (talk) 23:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Logged here: Special:Diff/1321509204. -- asilvering (talk) 23:56, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello Asilvering, I know that it looks bad, but really that edit was really because the source was a self-published/non-independent source that is super closely affiliated with the topic, it launched 1 April 2025, remove that non WP:RS and the only remaining source is one from a Swedish newspaper that says Syriac. But I respect the rules, thanks for a warning instead of block. Like Bushranger told me, I will ask about it on WP:RSN I'm assuming this warning cant be "un formalized" right hahah? 777network (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

It cannot, it's a formal logged warning now. It's fine to dispute the reliability of a source but please don't use that for a reason to remove or change an identity word in this context. Talk page first. -- asilvering (talk) 21:28, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering WP:RSN just wrote that every article (and especially on biography of living people) that uses AssyriaPost as reference should be deleted (the information). Can I then revert on Ant Wan and Ricky Rich? 777network (talk) 18:11, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

@777network, can you link to the RSN discussion, please? -- asilvering (talk) 18:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering Here is the link: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#AssyriaPost 777network (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. In that case, if you had not previously been formally warned about this, I would say you should look for uses of that source and remove them and the information cited to it. Since you have been warned about this, I would instead suggest that you raise the issue on the talk page first, and see where you get; alternatively, you could make an edit request on the talk page with your suggested changes, which would be examined and implemented by a (presumably) neutral third party.

For your convenience, here is a link that should include all the cases in which it is used: . asilvering (talk) 18:34, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay, that’s super unfortunate. That I got the warning based on something that in the end turned out to be correct. I’m afraid the talk pages of these subject are very still and not active, do you know how I could request for another editor to edit it? If cited content and references are removed, and only references where Syriac is supported, can I then change the terminology to Syriac, under source-text integrity issue?777network (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

WP:EDITREQ has all the information you could possibly need (I hope). If you use the edit request template correctly, a 3rd party editor will be summoned to the talk page. Doesn't matter how sleepy it is otherwise. Once you've made your first feel free to let me know so I can tell you if it's properly in the queue. -- asilvering (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

@777network @Asilvering: This edit (a second replacement of the names), after the warning above, should have been discussed first. I have explained it further on the talk page here. If you believe there was a "source-text integrity issue" and someone reverts you, don't revert back. Shmayo (talk) 10:55, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

I’ve only followed source-text integrity issues, I don’t know how you can claim that Süryani doesn’t translate to Syriac when Midyat’s own mayor himself translated it as such; https://www.instagram.com/p/DQqxKhADHaR/

Also see Midyat city’s own website, introducing the project and translating Süryani to Syriac; https://www.midyat.bel.tr/yeni-midyat-projesi

So, if the section name of a book is named something other than what the subject himself is described, you think that give reasons to change how the subject is termed? If that’s the case, Gaunt 2006 labels the population across all churches as Aramean early in on his book when presenting their numbers. I don’t think that makes a reason to describe the people as Arameans if they explicitly are referred to something else on the relevant pages.

You’ve been the number one driver in deleting anything Aramean related, objecting the entire Aramean draft, reverting any Aramean addition to articles, and now this. 777network (talk) 17:59, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

@777network, @Shmayo, is there a dispute over how to translate Süryani? What are the other alternatives? -- asilvering (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

"Süryani" derives directly from the Arabic adjective suryāniyy, meaning "Syrian" or "Syriac." It comes from Sūryā, the Arabic term for Syria, that's tracing back via Aramaic and Greek to denote Syriac people/Christians.

Doğu Asurî Kilisesi is the official name for the Assyrian Church of the East, note the Asurî part.

Süryani Ortodoks Kilisesi/Süryani Kadim Kilisesi is the official name for the Syriac Orthodox Church, note the Süryani part.

TÜBİTAK Encyclopedia entry on Süryaniler defines the people as; "They are one of the oldest peoples of Mesopotamia, distinguished by their Christianity." (in Turkish)

Speaking in regards to where this issue stems from, the Midyat article, the Midyat governmental website, translates the term to Syriac people as well; please see this.

Turkey's official dictionary defines a Süryani as: "A Christian community in the eastern part of the Aramaic branch of the Semites and a member of this community."

The Government of Hakkari(district in Turkey) explains that Arameans began using "Süryani" in the 1st century AD to distinguish themselves from pagan kin after adopting Christianity.

Similiarily, in Arabic, which the term derives from, suryāniyy translates to Syriac, and Ashuri translates to Assyrian.

However, because of the push of Assyrian identity on the internet and especially Wikipedia, translators are being conflated between Syriac and Assyrian. For example, Google translates translates it to Assyrian when on its pop-up, but when inside the Google translate website itself, it says Syriac. DeepL still translates it to Syriac, Instagram and Facebook translates it to Syrian.

It doesn't translate to Aramean nor Assyrian, but rather Syriac (Christian). 777network (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

@asilvering: "Süryani" is translated as Assyrian, Syrian, Syriac, or even Syrian/Syriac Orthodox in some cases. Changing the English term here based on a Turkish source where the term "Süryani" is used is not "fixing a source-text integrity issue". If "other alternatives" meant other than Syriac; Süryani is frequently translated as Assyrian by scholars (e.g. ). Shmayo (talk) 17:36, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Shmayo, I suspected this was the issue at hand. I would suggest that you and @777network, and any other interested parties, open a request at WP:DRN to discuss how best to translate this word on English Wikipedia. I'd be happy to offer some (general, not specific) opinions there. I'm quite familiar with these kinds of issues in scholarship generally. One thing both of you will have to be aware of is that scholarly sources, while they're usually our "gold standard", are often required by copy editors to maintain some kind of stylistic consistency; contrariwise, it's very common to swap roughly equivalent words in where you, as a scholar, don't see much point in splitting hairs over the difference, and are getting tired of overusing the same word over and over again. The kinds of sources that would really help to determine the answer in this case are sources where translators explicitly discuss why they translated the word the way they did - which is not common. A discussion at DRN may be able to determine a consensus that we use a specific 1:1 translation for this word, or it may determine that any word may be appropriate, depending on context.

In the meantime, @777network, please don't make "source-text integrity" type fixes like this when working with translated sources. If an English-language source says "Syriac" and our article inexplicably says "Assyrian", that's quite different from this kind of translation issue, where there is often no solid answer. -- asilvering (talk) 17:47, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

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