User talk:Abu ali

Hi. There is an interesting discussion at the ANI. One of your diffs was cited, and 'educational' blocks have been threatened. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive211#Personal_attacks_and_claims_of_COI. For some reason, the threatening user, User:Jayjg, did not notify the people he was considering as targets. Somehow that seems contrary to the 'educational' objective. I thought you'd like to know. The Behnam 08:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

There was a clear understanding among admins and editors, including The Benham that there was a confusion between WP:NPOV and WP:COI, and that Jay's edits where not violations of the latter. Whether they are of the former was not discussed, and his while his brusquness and curtness was addressed, they too are not WP:COI violations. WP:COI is very specific, and it may help of you were to review it carefully. As for POV, that is a different issue. I hope that clarifies issues a bit. Thanks. -- Avi 13:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The relevant section of WP:COI is

Close relationships

Friedrich Engels would have had difficulty editing the Karl Marx article, because he was a close friend, follower and collaborator of Marx.^[1] Any situation where strong relationships can develop may trigger a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest can be personal, religious, political, academic, financial, and legal. It is not determined by area, but is created by relationships that involve a high level of personal commitment to, involvement with, or dependence upon, a person, subject, idea, tradition, or organization.

Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias. Be guided by the advice of other editors. If editors on a talk page suggest in good faith that you may have a conflict of interest, take seriously what they say and consider withdrawing from editing the article. As a rule of thumb, the more involved you are in a particular area in real life, the more careful you should be to adhere to our core content policies — Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Verifiability — when editing in that area.

There is no tidy definition of what is meant by "too close" in this context, and editors should use their common sense in deciding whether this guideline applies. An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by a band member or the manager. On the other hand, an expert on climate change is welcome to contribute to articles on that subject, even if that editor is deeply committed to it.

ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

And who is the Karl Marx to Jay's Frederich Engels? Your extrapolation is improper. You have an Arabic signature, should it be a conflict of interest for you to edit on anything elating to Islam, Israel, the Koran, the middle East, AND calligraphy? -- Avi 13:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The state of Israel. Of course I would not argue that Jay should not edit articles concerning Israel where he obviously is knowlegeable. But he should excercise restraint when deleting criticism. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Jay is not an employee of the government of the state of Israel, nor is the state of Israel a person of which Jay was a lifelong student. Which is why WP:COI is inapplicable. You may wish to read a bit about Friedrich Engels and his relationship with Marx. -- Avi 13:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I never suggested that he was. But then neither was Engles an employee of Marx. The question I was raising was one of "close relationships". ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

He was a life-long collaborator and student of Marx, not even remotely similar . -- Avi 18:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You've made a statement about the employment of a fellow editor, and I think a "citation required" is in order. He tells us he makes 20,000 edits a year, so each edit takes less than 6 minutes on average over an 8 hour day, 5 days a week, throughout the working year (assuming he takes no time off to read what others are writing, or answer his e-mail). Do you have any indication that he doesn't work in PR for Israel? PalestineRemembered 21:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, No I have no idea where he is employed or if he has a job at all. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 23:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks (or should that be شكراً) for your appreciation. I am trying to tidy up/add to the Israeli politics section as there is a lot of stuff missing, a lot of stuff badly written/formatted, and a lot of bias (from both sides). I'm sure our paths will cross again! Number 57 15:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Afwan! Keep up the good work! ابو علي (Abu Ali) 15:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Wanna help? There was nothing on internal refugees from the 1948 war, so I drafted this stub, Internally Displaced Palestinians. If you have stuff to add, it would be appreciated. It's a huge subject and I could use some help. Tiamut 18:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

A good start, and certainly more than a stub. But unfortunately I lack the knowledge of this important issue that I would need to help. But keep up the good work! ابو علي (Abu Ali) 22:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You remembered International Women's Day? You're a star Abuali. Thanks for the good wishes. Tiamut 17:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

In view of your interest in this article, you may want to look at recent edits, and also at my talk page. RolandR 23:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you check out the article Law of Return? Thanks. Tiamut 19:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your comments Abu Ali. I know that it's almost not worth it to continue trying to add balance to those pages, but the funny thing with me and fairness, truth and justice is that I just can't let it go. Thoughts create reality my friend. So I work mostly on trying to get distance when things get heated and keeping my head up and my wits about me. It's true I waste so much time fighting just to get a couple of sentences added. But it must be worth it. What's that saying about innovation being 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration? I'm sweating up a storm here. Something's gotta give. :) Tiamut 20:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The injustice on these pages is nothing compared to the injustice you can see every time you look out of your window. So you have to keep a sense of proportion. Thoughts are important. But irrespective of the efforts of our friends here on Wikipedia and their little victories, they are loosing the war. Israel is the most hatred country in the world. More people see Israel as a threat to world peace than any other country. And this is not the result of "Palestinian Propoganda" but of the actions of Israels own leaders. Take it easy ابو علي (Abu Ali) 21:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hey. I just saw User:Humus Sapiens revert. Can't get sucked into revert wars! So despite the multiple edits I made to get that section down to a bare minimum summary of Palestinian criticisms of the Law of Return and introduce some balance into that section, which it is sorely lacking, I'll just let them temporarily kill another perfectly legitimate edit that doesn't accord with their POV. Maybe someone else will come to the rescue on the merits of the edit itself, judging it by its encyclopedic value and against WP:NPOV. Hope springs eternal. :) (and yeah, about your comments above, I know in some ways that we don't even have to do anything. They're doing it to themselves. But it's not just about that, it's more about truth and fairness and giving a voice to all parties involved so that the future can be healthy instead of f&*#ked like it is now. :) Tiamut 21:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

and his response here: . I thought you should know. It's amazing the lengths people will go to censor such serious "thoughtcrimes". Unbelievable. Tiamut 17:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Well to their credit they haven't vandalised my page, or indef blocked me. Well not yet at least. When I get a bit of free time, I'll try to put something more thought provoking on my user page. Meanwhile congratulations on the Kittens! ابو علي (Abu Ali) 22:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

They are just the cutest things you ever saw: I love newborns of all shapes, sizes and types. The potential for good seems limitless in the face of new life. Going to take a peak at them immediately puts things into perspective when things get randy around here. Once they get a little bigger, I'll be sure to keep them close by. :) Tiamut 14:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin so I wouldn't block you (and even if I were one I wouldn't block you, I'd ask someone else to if they thought it to be right). Just like you wouldn't want me to say, "Yasser Arafat may have died from AIDS." on my user page, or put a list of all political figures who committed crimes in your country (obviously it's harder to do that, as the PA isn't really at the stage where it's arresting politicians who are corrupt, etc.). Just because you're doing it indirectly doesn't mean it's okay. Anyway, I'd obviously not start removing stuff from your user page and I asked for his opinion as I know I'm bound to be more easily offended\have a problem with something of the sort. Yonatan ^talk 21:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Abu, could you please email me? huldra999 "at" hotmail "dot" com (<-to avoid those bots ). Thanks, Huldra 21:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Considering your interest and expertise in editing pages on Israeli leadership, I was wondering if you could take the time to add to this article I just created. Thanks. Tiamut 22:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I have not heard of him. But I will try to look him up and see if there is anything I can add. Best regards to you, your family and your new kittens... ابو علي (Abu Ali) 15:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for both the offer to check it out and the best wishes to the fam (my husband comes home tomorrow thankfully so that I can take a break form this crazy editing schedule) and the kittens (I want to eat them they're so cute!). I had never hear of him either, and only came upon his name when investigating the origins of Israel's Hafrada policy. As I was reading, I realized just how important he is to policy formation, particularly over the last decade. Anyway, I just thought I would share. Tiamut 15:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, do you know anything about the late Proffesor Israel Shahak. His bio page on wikipedia is devoted slandering hime as an antisemite and attempts to smear him by association with neo nazis. (sounds familiar?) Huldra removed a particularly offensive passage about him being a too of neo-nazis, and after her edits were reverted, I opened a discussion on the talk page about this. I used to read his reports, but that was before the days of the internet and can not find them on-line. Do you know if there is a collection anywhere? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 16:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I do know Shahak's work (and it's terrible that people keep trying to marginalize his serious and important body of work). I remember that my Baba used to have books and articles of his in the expansive Middle East collection he kept. I will try to find Internet sources and I'll ask my dad if he remembers where they ended up. Tiamut 16:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• This is a review of the book, Anti-Zionism: Analytical Reflections, in the WRMEA that quotes and discusses one of Shahak’s essay. You might find this quote very relevant to the issue at hand:

  Zionism, writes Shahak, "can be described as a mirror image of anti-Semitism," since it, like the anti-Semites, holds that Jews are everywhere aliens who would best be isolated from the rest of the world. Moreover, "both anti-Semites and Zionism assume anti-Semitism is ineradicable and inevitable."

• This article at the History News Network entitled, "Poisoning the Well: The False Equation of Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism" by Professor Irfan Khawaja addresses the smears laid against Shahak and a slew of others. She say there is a broad trend of

  … reflexive equation, by defenders of Israel, of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, itself part of the emerging literature on "the new anti-Semitism." Focusing on the undeniable fact that many anti-Zionists are anti-Semites, and that anti-Zionism can easily be used as a disguise for anti-Semitism, writers in this genre simply insist over and over that no one can be an anti-Zionist without simultaneously being an anti-Semite ... What is at work here is less a discernible principle than a robotic sort of cut-and-paste procedure: Come up with a list of people who a priori must be anti-Semites; then cast about for ‘evidence’ of this claim by finding sentences here or there to which you give an anti-Semitic interpretation regardless of the intention of the author or the context of the utterance. Where the evidence is simply too thin to support a straightforward accusation, insinuate that anti-Semitism is at work without actually making an assertion that it is. Repeat the process until you run out of people.

• And finally, this is an article about a talk that Shahak gave with Chomsky that described the debate provoked by their analyses:

We are doing to Palestinians what Christians have done to [Jews]," Shahak continued, tracing the history of the oppression of Jews throughout European history. "It is quite common that a persecuted group becomes a persecutor," he said.

… In reply to the audience's hostility, Shahak said that Jews who perpetuate a "denial of common humanity" are "Jewish Nazis." Another audience member angrily responded to Shahak, "You were lucky you survived [the Holocaust], but 6 million Jews didn't."

Several others said that Shahak's use of the phrase "Jewish Nazis" was disrespectful to the memory of the Holocaust. Shahak maintained that "Jews can become Nazis."

It's addictive. I start researching a subject and the more information I find, the more I want to share and write. I'm also taking advantage of the free time to get my edit fix so that when my partner is here I have time to spend with him, free from thoughts of article categoriztion or reliable sources needed for article X. Is there a wiki help group for this kind of thing? :) Tiamut 23:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Who knows.... Wishing you, your husband a happy reunion. Take it easy. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 00:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, he said to Salam alayk and ya'atik il aafi. He knows about my Wiki work and hears stories about some of the interesting twists and turns of debates around here. Our computers face each other, so he often gets an earful. :) See you around. Tiamut

Give him my regards too. And tell him that I say he is a lucky guy! All the best to both of you (+ the kittens). ابو علي (Abu Ali) 09:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I will tell him (his long-awaited arrival has been delayed for a day - but that's life :) and thanks for thinking so. All the best to you too. Tiamut 15:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Might as well add him to your "list of watched pages" too... ;/ Yonatan ^talk 18:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll read up on him. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 22:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Why him? Tewfik^Talk 02:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing on the talk page to support your recent reversion of fully-discussed edits on Israel Shahak. Please self-revert your violation of WP:NPOV. -- TedFrank 09:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

March 2007

With regards to your comments on Talk: Israel Shahak: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. TedFrank 13:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Matzpen

This is your last warning. The next time you delete or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia, as you did to Matzpen, you will be blocked from editing.

Considering your history of ill faith edits and contribution to Israeli-related articles on wikipedia (hat tip to your user page), and the way you handle editing disputs by "war reverting" ^{See talk page, moved terms there for discussion. <-> revert "POV"} without even considering wiki's NPOV and the changes made, i'm issuing yet another "final warning" to you in regards to that latest revert - please self revert and join the discussion on the talk page so I can remove this warning and we can resume proper wiki editing ettiquette. Jaakobou 10:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Shalom Jaakobou, Contrary to your accusation, I did not blank the page. If you make too many final warnings, people may end up not taking you too seriously. In my oppinion it is better to discuss with those who you disagree with than to ban them. Take it easy ابو علي (Abu Ali) 18:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

What is this nonsense? Abu Ali didn't delete or blank any page contents, as a look at the page history will show. He simply reverted your POV edits to my neutral formulation. Jaakobou's accusation is so over-the-top, it is hard to take it seriously. RolandR 20:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

the template may be imperfect, but this reffers to "tag team war reverting" after the dispute has been raised in the talk page. Jaakobou 09:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do not use talk pages such as Talk:Matzpen for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to the article. They are not to be used as a forum or chat room. See here for more information. Thank you.

1. I'm not much interested in your personal POV interpertations/misrepresentations and narrative personal questioning, i.e. "regime", "occupation","checkpoints","unpaid".
2. In regards to your personal question, I get the opportunities that many in the arab world are denied. In fact, those opportunities are also given to Israeli Arabs despite their not doing their share in the duties of the country (Druze people aside).
3. Since you've shown no intention to self-revert (or even honestly discuss on the talk page) despite the well given opportunities to do so^{24 march25 march25 march}, I am forced to revert your "tag-team revert" and repeat my previous warning that if you repeat this offense you will be blocked.
4. On a side note, I 100% disagree with your terminology and narrative considering the selective and politicaly motivated aplication of it, and despite your personal beliefs - you can still be a constructive wikipedia editor (i.e. opposite of destructive) even in cases of disputes. However, you should make an effort and not play revert games. Jaakobou 23:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems that we will have to agree to disagree. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 06:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I am shocked at the patronising tone adopted by Jaakobou: "you can still be a constructive wikipedia editor", "you should make an effort". Almost as though he is entitled to approve your contributions, or give them marks. Quite a colonial attitude, in fact; it doesn't surprise me that you are offended by such remarks. But don't worry; his threats are empty and there should be no way you can be blocked over your legitimate edits. RolandR 19:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not offended or suprised by his remarks. I have heard many similar. But on Wikipedia these remarks can be seen by all, and as you point out are quite instructive. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 19:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: your message, I thought that I had left word on all the proper places that by notability I meant WP:ORG. Just in case I wasn't clear, there need to be multiple nontrivial sources. The Haaretz piece you found is a good sign, but you'll need at least one more nontrivial source. Look at this as an opportunity to improve the article. Tewfik^Talk 02:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Abu ali,

I could find no sign of any copyright information on the link that you provided. Could you please point to where the image is associated with the {{cc-by-2.5}} that you added? Thanks, Tewfik^Talk 02:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You are right. I had read on their website www.activestills.org that their work could be used for all non-profit uses as long as its source was attributed. But I can't find it. I am trying to contact them to clarify this and to get a better quality image. Meanwhile I have removed the tag from the picture. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 08:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Abu ali, it would be really helpful if looked at the discussion on the Talk: page before reverting. The obituaries you claim were "deleted" are already listed on the page twice. Are you saying these articles are so special that they actually must be listed three times? It's certainly not done in any other article I've seen, nor have I ever seen and "Obituaries" section in an article. Please try to follow Wikipedia conventions, and participate in the talk page rather than reverting. Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

OK once is enoughابو علي (Abu Ali) 22:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's me (RolandR, not RonaldR. As I used to say when I was trying to learn Arabic in Jerusalem many years ago, and everyone called me Ronald, "Mish zay ar-rais" – ie Reagan).

Meanwhile, having noticed that the article on Ilan Halevi was mistakenly linked to Maavak Sozialisti, I have created a new article on Maavak. I hope to do more on other descendants of Matzpen, as time allows. Do you have any knowledge or information to contribute?

Please join me for a cup of coffee and a baklava.

RolandR 16:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

your commentary is requested here: Sikkuy and criticism about Arab Israeli economy influencing culture. Jaakobou 20:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

You may be interested in this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jaakobou RolandR 10:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

With regards to your comments on User talk:RolandR: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

feel free to add your point of view to the AV/I page, but personal attacks such as "the most poweful propganda against Zionism is the conduct of its adhereants", "Wikipedia would not be Wikipedia without the likes of jaakobou", "imply tacit approval of the bots attacking you", "I do feel honoured that Jaakobu chose to attack me in the same breath as your good self" is not appreciated one bit. Jaakobou 20:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Article is being considered for FA status at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jerusalem. I was hoping for an additional POV assessment and saw you were an expert in the area. nadav 12:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Shalom Nadav. I would not claim to be an expert in the area. But I don't think the current article does justice to the political battle surrounding the status of Jerusalem (which is considered one of the insoluble core issues in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict). regards, ابو علي (Abu Ali) 20:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Salam. Thanks for the response. Oh, what I meant is that you looked like you had a lot of experience in trying to make Israel articles more NPOV. Earlier, I felt the FAC was not getting the perspective of someone who actually has an opposing viewpoint, and instead people were just hazarding guesses about what could be objectionable. The debate is now revolving around the article's lead, and I suggested we make the second sentence of the first paragraph read "Jerusalem has been claimed by Palestinians as the capital of a future Palestinian state." The idea is to acknowledge that Jerusalem is controlled by Israel as of now, but that in future it will also be under Palestinian control. If you or anyone else can help to make it more neutral, that would be excellent. I am beginning to depair, since people seem to prefer pushing their own POVs over letting the article reach FA status by embracing all opinions. It seems Wikiproject Israel is doomed forever to have only one FA. nadav 00:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I have made a short comment on the FA page which may give the "other" perspective. I have actually found that most of the Israeli editors here OK to work with. My main problems have not been with Israelis but with their American supporters. Best of luck! ابو علي (Abu Ali) 10:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. FYI, the article's FAC has been restarted after the FAC director thought the discussion got too complicated. nadav 19:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i'm leaving. With no bad feelings. Just a bit of frustration and a strong belief that things could be better. But i know that a long trip begins with a necessary first step, and i believe Wikipedia is this first step in the road to a good cooperative encyclopedia. I've stated my vision on my userpage, if that interests you. As i noted there, i'm giving a shot to the Wikidot.com wiki farm, where i've opened an account under the username "Itay" and have created a similarly named site. I will surely continue to use (i.e. read and adapt content from) Wikipedia, and probably also contribute content/copyedit from time to time. Maybe anonymously, maybe under my old username. I wish you too all the best both in real life and in the virtual cosmos of a Wikipedia. So long. Itayb 12:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Kudos for your dedication and hard-work to mitigate the many pro-Zionist POV articles around here. Special cheers for your relentless work countering the apologists of Deir Yassin. Best of luck. Lixy 14:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

But I just wanted to pop in and say hi and ya'atik al aafiya for continuing where those less able to put up the constant harassment have failed. Samudeen. Tiamut 16:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Palestine is looking for editors to help build and maintain comprehensive, informative, balanced articles related to Palestine on Wikipedia. Start by adding your name to the list of members at WikiProject Palestine. Ahlan wa Sahlan! Welcome!

Tiamut 16:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Abu Ali. No, I don't think the students get the treatment Arabs get, and I haven't seen Magav troops deployed to suppress their riots yet. The whole business is a rather minor issue, students in Israel only strike about tuition fees.--Doron 04:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Tuition fees are important if you are a student. And if Haaretz decides to devote an editorial to condeming the students then it is probably significant.ابو علي (Abu Ali) 11:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll look into the subject. Tewfik^Talk 05:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I have created a stub at 2007 Israeli student strike. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 11:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Abu ali. I'm not on strike (stopped studying a while ago), but many of my friends are. I haven't asked them about the details of what is going on. All I understood from them were the basics that it is strike against tuition hikes which nobody seems able to afford. I can ask around tonight and get back to you with some info/insights tomorrow if you are interested. Tiamut 12:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I never stopped studying, (in the university of life). Yes, I'm interrested. Another aspect is the Jewish/Arab angle which the media has hinted at. To what extent does this struggle include Arab students or is it an exclusively Jewish Israeli thing? Shukran Iktir ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey abu ali,

Please reconsider your last warning regarding my links on wiki. They r indeed to a specific site but that site has articles which wikipedia's readers can find helpful & learn a lot from. I allwas try to make sure that any external link that i add to wiki is of a natural pov & of academic nature. Please reconsider.

Yuval a

OK, I removed the warning. But you should be careful as most of your edits seem to be adding links to this site. There may be an issue op WP:COI if you are associated with this site. Good luck ابو علي (Abu Ali) 14:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

thant you,

yuval

By the way,

I don't think there is a COI because I only add links to objective articles, most written by professionals.

If you noticed a link I added, that you consider partial or biased, feel free to remove it – like jack Bauer & his 24's sidekicks characters, I try not to get to emotionally attached to my links :-) . . .

Have a nice day' and thanks again.

Yuval

Hey Abu Ali. I just got a new computer and it doesn't have Arabic language support installed. I am working on the Palestine article and was wondering if you could spend a minute to go there and add the Arabic name for Canaan, alongside the Hebrew. Thanks in advance. Tiamut 09:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I can't help, because I have no arabic keys here. Sorry... ابو علي (Abu Ali) 10:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I decided to remove the languages anyway since I noticed afterward that they are in the English articles on each subject. Thanks anyway. Tiamut 14:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your recent (May 16) edits to Zionist political violence. You may want to take a look at the article on The Jewish Resistance Movement. Perhaps this (JRM) could be mentioned on that page (ZPV). Regards, Perspicacite 03:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

As Salaam U Alaikum ya Ali, I was wondering if you could read Arabic because I wanted to expand on the city of Yattah in the West Bank, and although it is a large city with population of +40000, there is barely any info on the net for it. In English that is. However I found the city's website on Yahoo.com, but it is written in Arabic and cannot be translated into English. If you can read Arabic script, I was hoping you could extract info about the city and contribute it to the article on wikipedia. If you cannot I understand and if this is the case than can you poin out anybody who can read Arabic for me, and I'll inform on the article. Thanks a whole lot, Ma' as Salaamy -- Al Ameer son 22:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Here is the website: http://www.isow-yatta.org/

אתה יודע עברית?--Gilisa 09:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

For your kind words Abu Ali. I hope you stay on at House demolition; I look forward to working with you.--G-Dett 14:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have noticed your interest in categories. Could you have a look at the last few changes at Category:Jerusalem and Category:Geography of Jerusalem? Are not parts of Jerusalem considered to be disputed territory? And aren't those parts considered to be part of the West Bank and the Palestinian territories by the international community? The intro to Jerusalem says something similar.--Timeshifter 15:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, some more comments would be appreciated at this categories for deletion discussion for Category:East Jerusalem. --Timeshifter 19:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

WE as editors are not evaluating major publications like daily telegarph. we just quote them. the reader can evalute each WP:RS source. please read the policy. 07:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

They have used forged documents in an attempt to incriminate a british politician and were forced to pay lible damages by the british courts. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 13:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

British courts force nearly every publication to pay libel damages at one point or another. By that metric there are no reliable sources. Again, please read the policy. THF 17:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I was surprised by your latest edit to the Anti-Zionism article. Did you seriously think it had any chance of remaining unchallenged?

We seem to have been on the same side of a number of CfD discussions and I supported your previous edit to the AZ article, but your last edit was clearly non-POV.

In the talk page I proposed a sentence for the lede that described the spectrum of views held and actions taken by anti-Zionists. I would be interested to see your comments. --Peter cohen 12:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Shalom Mr Cohen, I will have a look. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 19:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Abu ali, if you hadn't been blindly reverting me you would have noticed that the removal of the material was explained a number of times both in edit summaries and in Talk:Norman_Finkelstein#Counterpunch_vs._WP:BLP this section of the Talk: page. WP:BLP violations are serious stuff; persistent violators are often blocked. Fortunately for you, I've simply reverted you this time. Jayjg ^(talk) 18:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Shalom my good friend Jayjg, Your accusation of blind reverts is false. When you undo an edit, a notice is displayed saying "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary rather than using only the default message." If you follow this advice you may find that fewer of your edits are reverted. With respect tho the Norman Finkelstein edit, I saw that you deleted relevant and sources material without any comment. I think the material is worthy of inclusion in the article. BLP is irrelevant here as the quote in question defends rather than attacks Finkelstein. Your deletion of the material smells like an attempt to smear Finkelstein while silencing his defenders. I note your thinly veiled threat to block me, which is realy a threat to abuse your administrative tools to silence someone who does not share your ideology. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 19:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Previous edit summaries when removing the material were quite clear, as was the Talk: page. You didn't check that out, but rather just reverted blindly. When material claims that Dershowitz did something that was "blatantly and knowingly fraudulent", you can be damn sure it's a WP:BLP issue. As for blocking, read WP:BLP#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material: Where the material is derogatory and unsourced or poorly sourced, the three-revert rule does not apply. These principles apply to biographical material about living persons found anywhere in Wikipedia, including user and talk pages. Administrators may enforce the removal of such material with page protection and blocks, even if they have been editing the article themselves. Editors who re-insert the material may be warned and blocked.. Blocking in this case is not an "abuse of administrative tools", but the proper use of them. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I would respectfully suggest being very careful on articles related to controversial topics as it seems that a number of powerful administrators are interested in enforcing certain points of view on them. It is best to be a little circumspect about the matter, and strictly adhere to any Wikipedia rules, even where they are not being enforced fairly and impartially. Rather than escalate the situation I think it is more productive to build a good reputation on Wikipedia and work toward adminship yourself, or nominate people for adminship whom you think would be more fair. Of the utmost importance is avoiding being blocked, even temporarily, as once the precedent of blocking you is established it may be happen more and more easily in the future. Good luck and thanks for your work. -- fourdee ᛇᚹᛟ 10:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. But I don't do adminship. Blocking people I disagree with is not my style. I prefer discussing with them. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 10:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Abu ali. You are off to such a great start on the article House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 14:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

As-Salaam u Alaikum Abu Ali, I was wondering if you or I would somehow be able to add the picture of Downtown Kafr Yasif and Shaghur from their Hebrew articles to their English ones. I tried but I don't think they are in the same format and I asked Abnn but I realized he has not been active since the end of May. The link to the Hebrew articles are here, -- Al Ameer son 18:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Marhaba!

I added the image to Kfar Yasif ابو علي (Abu Ali) 18:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Shukran a ktheer ya sayid Abu Ali, I saw it and then relocated it to the info box. -- Al Ameer son 17:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Child suicide bombers in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits. Thank you. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. This is not acceptable. --Wasell^(D) 17:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocking people who disagree with your edits is a very zionist approach. Why don't you try instead to justify why your material should stay in the lead? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unsubstantiated personal attacks on editors, such as you have done above (allegations of "zionist approach") and restrict your comments to constructive criticism on articles. We have prohibitions regarding personal attacks and harrasment. Thank you. -- Avi 16:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that it does not belong in the lead and have moved it to the section describing Yassin's role in the creation of Hamas. -- Avi 16:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

good that we can agree on something ابو علي (Abu Ali) 16:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the ongoing edit war on House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in which you are involved, I'd like to remind you of Wikipedia:Three-revert rule's prohibition of reverting as an editing technique. Please note that "The rule does not convey an entitlement to revert three times each day, nor does it endorse reverting as an editing technique; rather, the rule is an "electric fence". Editors may still be blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive." I would request that you bear this in mind and use the article discussion page or dispute resolution to resolve your dispute. -- ChrisO 15:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Talk:Six-Day War. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Your comment: "The question is: is this Wikipedia or Zionipedia. If the former then a prefer the NPOV title suggested above." was uncivil and unproductive. Another user and I had responded to a question by citing longstanding wikipedia policy. You could have responded productively by challenging our facts or our interpretation of policy. There was no need for name-calling and hostility. GabrielF 16:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd pop in and say hello (and without leaving a warning template in my wake :). I also noticed your good work at House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and am happy to see that it survived the POV-motivated AfD. Keep on keeping on. Tiamat 16:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, would you mind popping in to take a look at the Palestinian people article? I made some changes to the article there that seem to be encountering resistance. A second look by an editor with expertise on the subject would be great. If there is anything I have added that is not supported by the sources cited (or articles linked), do let me know. Thanks. Tiamat 16:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

she/He is a muslim yet disagrees with the quran the quran says "And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": it also says "And We made a people, considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride)."

How is that not idiotic? And also i have seen a lot of twisted logic on Muslim sites I saw many muslims trying to claim the Gospel of Barnabas is authentic even though it has been proved over and over again to be a forgery the claimed a Gospel of Barnabas of the 300's is the same as the Gospel of Barnabas which appeared for the first time in 1600ish --Java7837 09:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Abu ali. I see Java has brought his commentary to your talk page now. It amazes me that people automatically assume that because someone is Palestinian that they are Muslim. It also amazes me that they think that all Muslims are religious (I can't tell you how many atheists or agnostics I know who are Muslim, but I think it would surprise many). IMO, people who quote scripture to make political arguments and are full of bigoted hatred against those who don't share their belief in the supremacy of God's word (as interpreted by them of course), aren't really worth arguing with. By the way, thanks for pointing out to Java that his comments on my talk page were inappropriate. It only seems to have brought more of the same here though, eh? Oh well. Tiamat 13:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have heard it many times before. If you are Palestinian, you must be Muslim, if you are Muslim, you must be a Fundamentalist and if you are Fundamentalist, then you must be a Terrorist. And let's not let reality confuse us:-) Take it easy... ابو علي (Abu Ali) 21:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Your succinct summary hits the nail on the head. I hope my comment didn't imply that religious people of any or all faiths are bad or suspicious. I just don't like to mix religion with politics, as a general rule. Tiamat 23:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Following your recent participation in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of French apartheid, you may be interested to know that a related article, Allegations of Chinese apartheid, is currently being discussed on AfD. Comments can be left at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid. -- ChrisO 15:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I've asked Jayjg here to explain his June 10 remark about Palestineremembered.com on Naji al-Ali. --DieWeisseRose 09:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You said (of Rachel Corrie) that "There was NO consensus on the previous version. The new one is much better. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 16:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)"

Can you remind us what your prefered version looked like? PalestineRemembered 08:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

do me a favor, don't open up old disputes/issues. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 00:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded a bit schoolmarmish.--G-Dett 00:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Re my request to RR. My problem with that source is that it gives 133,000 (the 1997 census figure) for the Palestinian Hebronites. That figure on the Hebron page has been now updated to 166,000. I could quote the page you indicate (530) but it does not seem to reflect the latest census data. I like to be coherent on these questions, and citing this as a source for Jewish Hebronites would involve me in a tendentious use of sources to favour one lower figure (which looks however pretty close to the truth) while bolstering another source for a higher Palestinian figure. But thanks for the indication. CheersNishidani 18:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You read Segev and you don't see why "jewish state" is an important nuance in the lead concerning al-Husseini... Don't you understand that if Husseini was against a jewish national home in Plaestine, it means he wanted to kill them all.
. Alithien 21:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, Abu ali. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Committee for a Workers' International (1974), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Rambling Rambler (talk) 20:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

You should try reading WP:PA WP:AFG. And when you disagree with some content, try talking about it on the talk page, rather than edit warring. ابو علي (Abu Ali) (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. You are clearly an individual involved with the Committee for a Workers' International (refounded), as is obvious to discern from your heavy, inappropriate sourcing via their website and groups, the blatant biased inclusion using CWI sources to include "bad news" about the competing Trotskyist organisation ISA, and now clear attempts to hijack an article on the historical organisation to instead be about your group. If you continue editing any pages associated with CWI I will take you to the relevant noticeboard to seek administrative action against you. Rambling Rambler (talk) 07:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Abu ali, this notice is to let you know that I've corrected some indentation that was lost during a change you made to your comment. The change I made can be seen here: Special:Diff/1244379372.

I made this change because when you made a change to your comment (as seen here: Special:Diff/1244188062) you lost indentation for the following lines. I did this because I was looking through the page history to find out if I needed to add a {{unsigned}} note to the original remark, as your signature no longer lined up. I did this as I was evaluating the RM for potential consensus.

If you feel like this was done in error, please revert my most recent change where I added the indentation.

Thank you, Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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