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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, you may be blocked from editing. BilletsMauves^€500 08:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean disruptive editing? If you mean Sichuan Tengden, please provide evidence or reference that it is a state-own company or a branch of Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute.

While according to my research, it is a private company . There is a picture of Ownership Structure in it.

Can you stop your threatening and smearing? Infinty 0 (talk) 09:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I mean much more than the Sichuan Tengden article; the problem with your edits has turned out to be bigger than that. I'm talking about poorly explained removal of sourced content on Shenyang J-11 (most of the articles on Soviet/Russian/Chinese aircraft have NATO codes, so no reason to remove it on one specific article), addition of unsourced content on CASC Rainbow and CAIG Wing Loong II, and changes to sourced content on Sichuan Tengden. If you want to change content in an article, then change the sources too. By the way, none of this is intended to be "threatening" or "smearing". Please assume good faith in your exchanges with other editors. Thanks in advance. BilletsMauves^€500 09:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for your kindly instruction.

Maybe I will re-edit them with sources added and I'm looking forward your instruction with assumed good faith.

Plus I have a question, if you think Soviet/Russian/Chinese aircraft have NATO codes is a tradition or convention and no reason to remove it on one specific article, then why the article about Chinese aircraft like Wing Loong series use manufacturer name instead of the military designation as title particularly? Isn't it a convention too? Or you think it is better to make Wing Loong an exceptional case in the category of Chinese military aircraft? We have to settle this out or it will become a very bad and confusing precedent in the future when new Chinese drone articles added. Infinty 0 (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

The thing is that we have to use or at least mention the commonly used names for the aircraft we are talking about in the articles. Western sources often use NATO codes to name Soviet/Russian/Chinese military equipment, sometimes without giving the actual designation used by its manufacturer or its users. Hence, mentioning these NATO codes at least once is useful for the reader's orientation, even though these code names are often meaningless for the people who design, manufacture and operate this equipment.

Regarding the Wing Loong article titles, as I said before and per the WP:Article titles policy, for the article titles we have to use the names most commonly found in independent, reliable English-language sources. Now, this criteria still leaves room for personal bias: people prefer to read and use some sources over others, and this influences their perception of which name is used more than the others. Moreover, the use of a name over another can vary over time, especially for subjects that are in the news. This is the case for Chinese-made drones: right now, I would say that the name "Wing Loong" is more widespread than the name "GJ-1", but maybe in five years it will be different.

What differentiates Wing Loong and Wing Loong II from some of the other Chinese drones is that they are quite popular on the export market, and they have been intensively used in combat by some of the export users (notably by the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia). Obviously, export users use the export name, not the one used by the PLA. So a lot of the reporting on these models also uses the export name. This is the reason why I think we should keep the designations "Wing Loong" and "Wing Loong II" for the article's names (but we should also mention the GJ-1 and GJ-2 designations in the main text, especially in the paragraphs dealing with the drones' use with the PLA).

I hope this clears things up, but don't hesitate if you have some further questions. Cheers, BilletsMauves^€500 11:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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sorry, I don't know how to add attribution because I don't understand Wiki editing language(I'm using the visual editing). But I will study it, thank you. Infinty 0 (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

You do it via your edit summary. Like this: Diff of Seres Group. — Diannaa (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, now I get it, thank you so much! Infinty 0 (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. Thank you for your contribution of Chinese car industry in English Wikipedia. However, since I noticed that you are also from China and your first language is Chinese as well, why not consider to contribute in Chinese Wikipedia as well? There are currently seriously lack of articles and updates about Chinese car models and brands in Chinese Wikipedia and even Ukrainian Wikipedia and Polish Wikipedia have more Chinese car articles than Chinese Wikipedia. So why not consider to contribute Chinese car articles in Chinese Wikipedia as well? It is so tragic to see that even other minor foreign language have more articles about Chinese car stuff than Chinese Wikipedia and Chinese car don't seem to have much attention in their "native language". I am currently uploading more HD Chinese car photos and creating some articles for Chinese Wikipedia in order to change this situation and I hope you could consider to contribute as well. Yours sincerely, User3204 (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

你好，谢谢你的关注。你所说的中文维基汽车词典的编辑我之前也考虑过，但因为政治原因在中国大陆地区无法正常使用维基百科，受众人群比起英文会少很多，加上中国有“汽车之家”“懂车帝”等多家专业汽车媒体APP，中国车在中国的信息会比维基百科更全更详细，所以就没有优先编辑中文词条。

不过谢谢你的支持，也许以后我会尽量抽出时间来编辑中文版。 Infinty 0 (talk) 01:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding the Jaecoo 7: if a car uses one name in all English-speaking markets, then that is the correct title for the WP entry. See WP:CARNAMES. While en.wp has a mostly global perspective, English is still the main language and English-speaking markets have primacy.

As for Livan, I replied on my talk page - one article for Maple and one for Livan is plenty and there is no need to list all of the unrelated old Maple products on the Livan page - only include things that overlap both names. Question: what is the IP editor trying to prove? Do they mean to say that Maple is still a separate brand from Livan? Is there any evidence to support their viewpoint or are they just being disruptive? Thank you,  Mr.choppers | ✎  18:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

Jaecoo is merely brands that Chery used in selected oversea markets, mostly mid-east countries and Russia (the same as Omoda brand). Jaecoo is far from a global brand and in some English-speaking countries like Australia and NZ, it still uses the Chery brand.

For Livan, and I don't really understand what the IP editor try to express. I'm a native Chinese and as far as I can find on the Chinese language sources, from the capital structure, SMA and Livan can be considered as the same company. The SMA ceased to be an independent brand since 2010 but exists as a subsidiary company that continued to produce Geely vehicles. In 2020, the Maple brand was revived as the Geely launched an joint-venture between SMA and Kandi while Geely further acquired its stake in the joint-venture and invite another new player Lifan (which was also acquired by Geely) to the JV and changed its name to Livan (Maple is not a separate brand anymore). Thus how it is comes to today. SMA never ceased to operate, the name "Shanghai Maple" ,"Maple" and "Livan" are different brand names that SMA used in past decades. This is why I try to prove that it is not necessary to set different articles for them, and the vehicle models that SMA produced should be showed together. They are just the SMA's legacies. Infinty 0 (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

That mostly makes sense. But Maple/Shanghai Maple are still distinct brands from Livan, just as how Simca became Talbot but remains a separate nameplate with a separate history and its own Wikipedia article; we do not include earlier Simca products at the Talbot page - only those cars which were also sold with Talbot badging. This is why the Livan article should not list anything before the Maple 30X (shouldn't it be "Maple 30x", by the way?). For some very shortlived brand like Dearcc, it might make more sense to move all content to Enovate, but Maple had significant history before being subsumed.

As for the Jaecoo 7 article, please start a discussion on the talk page. Provide a link to Australian market Geely-branded product and I will support restoring your title.  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe it should be Chery you are referring to? Infinty 0 (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, of course.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Please explain what do you mean by "Not a U.S. based manufacturer" Its headquarters is in the U.S., therefore, that makes it a U.S. based manufacturer. Even if a company moved its headquarters from one country to another, it still gets the templates and categories of that country it moved to. Like for example, Sega was originally based in the U.S. (Hawaii) but have since then moved their HQ to Japan. And it gets the templates and categories of Japan as well. 2600:6C5D:5CF0:8420:A408:4F:34ED:2438 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The company you are talking about is SF Motors, a subsidiary of Seres Automobile.

There reasons I don't think it should be labeled as an U.S. manufacturer are simple and clear.

1. The SF Motors was an U.S. company acquired by Seres, and this article is about Seres not SF Motors
2. The SF Motors is an R&D company only, and never manufactured a single vehicle on the U.S. soil.

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Just want to say that your past contributions to the article Automotive industry in China is appreciated. It is unfortunate that recent edits have substantially altered the nature of the page. Iamnoone069 (talk) 04:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement, this is truly heart-warming. I didn't expect that the article would attract certain editor who has specific political agenda against China, which made the article less informative and neutral. This is completely contrary to my original intention.

To avoid spoiling the appetite of readers who genuinely love cars, I have stripped out the information about brands and manufacturers of China into a new article. Automobile manufacturers and brands of China. You may check it. Infinty 0 (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Why I am banned? Please check the edit history and talk page again. The user Amigao made a substantial change first to the article without explanation or consensus. Even after the discussion was initialed, he kept editing it as he wish before any consensus is reached. What I did was just restoring the article to the point before all the conflict started, how it becomes my fault? @Daniel Case Infinty 0 (talk) 08:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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You aren't "banned", just blocked temporarily. But it does not seem from the above that you are learning anything from this. I just gave you that opportunity. If you don't take it, and continue the same behavior, the next block will be longer. And if you keep doing that, it would be within an admin's discretion to block you indefinitely, effectively a ban. Daniel Case (talk) 18:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hycan was made by GAC and Nio, Nio left and now GAC has majority ownership, And according to carnewschina, Kaiyi is backed by chery. Thank you. JamAlBorey (talk) 11:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey Kaiyi is 82% owned by the government of Yibin and 18% by Chery. Hycan 68% owned by a private company Pearl River Investment and 25% by GAC and GAC Aion. You can double check it on their official website. Infinty 0 (talk) 11:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, my bad. JamAlBorey (talk) 11:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey You are welcome. I am very gald to see there is new editor for the topic of Chinese automotive industry. Thank you for your contribution. Infinty 0 (talk) 11:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

You are welcome. JamAlBorey (talk) 12:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, there is some explanations for the revert/editing in List of automobile manufacturers of China.

1.I've done some search for the Costin and Radten of Chery you have edited, but can not find any evidence that these two brands have ever come into operation.

2. Hozon Eureka is just a concept car of Neta Auto and it is not a manufacturer or marque.

3. Xpeng Mona is a product line, not a marque.

4. Letin and Weltmeister are completely bankrupt right now and there is no trace that they are still in operation. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

1. Costin and Radten were featured on carnewschina.

2. You are correct.

3. You are kind of correct, But Xpeng will spin them off into their own brand (Mona), And carnewschina says they are their own brand as well.

4. Letin(Levdeo) and Weltmeister completed reorganisation on April and March, (According to their Wikipedia pages), Thank you. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Jiyue stopped existing as of 2025, Baidu and Geely stopped funding. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The information on Carnewschina is often incorrect and outdated. Maybe you can check the Dcar or Yiche, which are the most popular and authoritative car website/application of China.

Letin and Weltmeister claimed to be under reorganization but such claims are mostly commercial propaganda, and it should be considered as bankrupt until further evidence is available (resuming operations or production).

Jiyue is experiencing an operational crisis, but I don't think it should be considered as "bankrupt" before Geely or Baidu makes an official statement. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Idk if the information from carnewschina is incorrect and outdated.. And I can't access Dcar and Yiche, And Jiyue, put it in Defunct as Geely and Baidu said they have removed all financial aid to the company, and they have stopped most operations, the same with Hycan, And supposedly, Letin started operations according to Catnewschina. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

https://www.dongchedi.com/search?keyword=%E9%9B%B7%E4%B8%81&currTab=1&city_name=%E6%B7%B1%E5%9C%B3&search_mode=sug

As you can see on Dcar, Letin has already been labeled as defunt.

https://www.dongchedi.com/search?keyword=%E5%90%88%E5%88%9B%E6%B1%BD%E8%BD%A6&currTab=1&city_name=%E6%B7%B1%E5%9C%B3&search_mode=sug

https://www.dongchedi.com/search?keyword=%E6%9E%81%E8%B6%8A&currTab=1&city_name=%E6%B7%B1%E5%9C%B3&search_mode=sug\

Both Jiyue and Hycan are still in operation. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There is a high probability that Hycan and Jiyue would go bankrupt, but it is best to wait patiently for more accurate official news. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Carnewschina

JamAlBorey (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I found information about Radten and Costen from Chinese sources. Costen is a local state-owned brand in Shandong, and Radten is a start-up company located in Hebei. Both brands are manufactured (OEM) by Chery, but news about their prototypes only appears in In 2021, and there is no information about the launch. It can be speculated that the two brands are already ceased(or they never start) operations. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

IDK one dude said on china car forums that Radten was merged into exeed but I can't verify that, Anyway, Can you tell me what are the best websites to learn about Chinese Auto news, and provide links? JamAlBorey (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Well I think the best source is Dcar, Yiche and Autohome.

These three websites cooperate with most of China's automobile manufacturers, and the car model information on them is highly consistent and has high credibility.

The only problem is that it is all in Chinese, maybe you need to use some translation software if you don't know Chinese. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Costin EC1 rebranded to Chery Wujie Pro in 2022, Just wanted to tell you.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

can you provide some sources? I can't find any on Chinese website. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I already provided sources for Jiangnan and EEZI in the page..

Maybe you can't search them because I provided the names in English.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Why did you remove them? They are 100% correct. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

No， EEZI is an independent company which is not under Zotye Auto or Jiangnan. They don't have any capital relation. If you read the article which you referred, the EEZI and Zotye just signed a strategic cooperation agreement which enable EEZI to source the vehicle from Zotye(Jiangnan). Infinty 0 (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I didn't put them under Zotye, 2nd, why did you remove meizu, Saleen, and others? JamAlBorey (talk) 18:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1.Meizu has only released a concept car, and it is not clear whether the brand will be put into operation. According to the current trend of Geely Group's brand contraction and merger, it is highly likely that Meizu will not be put into operation. It is recommended to wait for more accurate news or announcement before adding it to the list.

2. Saleen is an American company.

3. Yes you do put EEZI under the Zotye, you can check the history. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1. Pls provide source as I can't find anything about Meizu you have said.

2. Saleen was listed as a Chinese company in multiple different sources.

3. I fixed my mistake later before you even noticed.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1.There is no production car from Meizu currently. It is just a concept car which was made by Geely and a concept car only doesn't make it a manufacturer. We just need to be patient enough to see whether it could come true.

2.Saleen is an American company that experienced a famous fraud in China. Read this. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, But isn't Qiantu and LinkTour active? LinkTour has a 2024 car called the yue 1, And Qiantuntook a 2 year break from 2020 to 2022, But r3started operations in 2022.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I am sorry for some of my mistakes, A lot of car brands I don't have alot of info on them, So I do my best to find info on them, But alot of times, I find a little bit of unverified info, Do I do my best to try and come up with a conclusion, I wish their was a site in English that has the same amount of indo as Chinese ones.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It's okay. It is no one's fault. There is just not so much information about Chinese car brands and manufacturers in English. I'm a native Chinese so I can try best to verify those information which I hope you won't mind. Anyway, thank you for your contribution and if you have any question about my editing please feel free to ask me. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I can't find enough info about Farnova Group Holdings Ltd... JamAlBorey (talk) 17:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I found that the Farnova has been renamed to Jiading International Group Holdings Ltd. But it seems a advertisement/media company? Infinty 0 (talk) 17:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thx for the info, But you still didn't answer my question why did you remove the stuff that I added, it was all correct.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I made a lot of edits, I think all of them are correct.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey?? They are correct why remove them? JamAlBorey (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

which one do you mean? I can explain Infinty 0 (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Everything, From JMEV to LeSEE to Zinoro and so on, All are correct.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

1.JMEV is a joint venture which is invested by Renault which has already be mentioned in the joint venture section of Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi.

2.LeSee has not produced any production car, they only had a concept.

3. Again, Zinoro was a joint venture brand between BMW and Brilliance, but the BWM has already acquired majority stakes over Brilliance Auto. So technically It became a foreign brand then and has been mentioned in the foreign manufacturers/brands section.

any more question? Infinty 0 (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The rest, Dadao, And others you have deleted.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Dadao is mere a product line under JMC. It is not a brand independently operated. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Nearly all articles say it is a new brand under (JMC), and all of their cars have different logos.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

A different logo doesn't make it an independent brand. You will find that it is still under the JMC brand if you check the JMC official website. Whether a brand has the characteristics of independent operation depends on its capital relation and sales channels. At present, it has not made the distinction. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

explain to me why you deleted the rest JamAlBorey (talk) 17:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Why did you remove xgjao, and many others? bro pls answer me.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

XGJAO is a motorcycle brand, not a car brand. you can google it. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Nor are many of the brands that were mentioned in th article. Some make heavy-duty trucks, not cars.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

what exactly do you mean? Infinty 0 (talk) 17:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

brands like CNHTC only make heavy-duty trucks, not cars, so why are they included? JamAlBorey (talk) 17:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, don't cars and heavy-truck are "automobiles"? Infinty 0 (talk) 17:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

so do Motorcycles :) JamAlBorey (talk) 17:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

no, there is an article about what automobile is on wiki, please check the definition. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

It depends on who you ask, Some say it is a Motor with wheels that runs on roads, some say it should have 4 wheels, but in general, Motorcycles are Automobiles.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Every single car brand that you deleted, You will explain to me why.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Anything you mention. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Projen, Chana, Costin.. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

1.Chana is just a former name of Changan, not other brand.

2. I finnally found info about Projen, it is a commerical car brand under Lifan. I added it.

3.Still can't find anything about costin Infinty 0 (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

1.Chana is just a former name of Changan, not other brand.

2. I didn't delete Baoya

3. Jiangling Motor Holdings is under Ford (Ford 32%, JMCG 25%, Changan 25%), technically it is not a Chinese state owned brand. please check their website for ownership info or the article. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

What about XGjao?

Costin was rolled back to chery in 2022, Their only model (The EC1) was rebranded to Chery Wujie Pro, I think you can't search for it because it has a different name in Chinese.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I found information about Costin, which is called Qilu(奇鲁) in Chinese. It is a private enterprise located in Shandong Province. This Costin was originally produced by Chery, but later the two parties cancelled the cooperation for unknown reasons, which means that this brand called Costin did not exist in the first place and had nothing to do with Chery. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Chana's official Wikipedia page shows that it is a brand itself.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I think it is a mistake. There is a report about Changan's renaming. Changan was rename from Chana in 2010. Please check. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

thx for telling me about Chana.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Now I wrote you many messages about brands you have deleted, Now can you tell me, WHY? JamAlBorey (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey man, I am really sorry that I have annoyed you.. JamAlBorey (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

No worry, I glad to verify any information. Infinty 0 (talk) 13:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you know anything about REECH Auto? JamAlBorey (talk) 09:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I found that Reech Auto (绿驰汽车) was manufacture back by Henan government, but they failed to produce one car and bankrupted. See this Infinty 0 (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you know anything about Hybrid Kinetic Group? JamAlBorey (talk) 09:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Hybrid Kinetic (正道) was a America-based Chinese company which made several concept car but was also failed to make any production ones. Its activities have ceased since 2016 and it is presumed bankrupt https://www.yoojia.com/article/10095627427480636147.html Infinty 0 (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you pls answer me? Do you know what is going on with REECH AUTO, Hybrid Kenitic and Qingyuan (QYEV)? JamAlBorey (talk) 08:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

There is an article about Qingyuan Auto. I think it is a proper manufacturer that can be added to the list. Infinty 0 (talk) 11:17, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.. JamAlBorey (talk) 11:34, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

According to Wkikproject: Chinese cars , Reech is still in operation and it is the restructured version of LVCHI, Nut I have absolutely nothing to verify that.. Do you have? JamAlBorey (talk) 11:49, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

LVCHI is just the Chinese name of Reech. It has gone bankrupt and has had its production license revoked, see link above. Infinty 0 (talk) 13:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

which link? JamAlBorey (talk) 13:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzI1MjkzMTcwOQ==&mid=2247594550&idx=1&sn=060f824258c9c536ab3f57902a90e081&chksm=e9df0924dea8803216a7abe690657772b82a7046ce8a6891f493dcf5a997ff4b68694f2eec71&scene=27 Infinty 0 (talk) 13:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

thx JamAlBorey (talk) 13:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey man, Don't remove Costin and Radten, They may haven't mass produced any car, But they STILL produced some, Theirfor, They are a car manufacturer, And their are a lot of brands here that haven't produced a car, Like Polestones, Modern Auto and others because they are manufactured by BAW, So does that mean we should remove them? Definitely not, The same is true with Costin and Radten, who HAVE produced a car, If what you are saying is true, then why is Maextro here? They only unveiled a concept, so whatever you are saying doesn't make sense AT ALL. JamAlBorey (talk) 07:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

It is incorrect to say that Polestone(or Rox) and Modern Auto that they don't make production car. They actually did and Polestone sold quite a lot. As for Maxtero, this is a brand backed by Huawei and belongs to the Harmony Intelligent Mobility Alliance. It is one of the best-selling electric vehicle brands in China since 2022. I agree that Maxtero currently has no mass-produced cars, but I don’t agree with comparing it with some weak brands that have only released concept cars but not mass-produced cars. This is not a manufacturer of the same level and scale. If you have any objections, you can delete Maxtero. I will wait patiently for the production car to be released and add it to the list. But at the same time, I will also insist on deleting so-called manufacturers that do not have mass-produced cars. Infinty 0 (talk) 08:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't you dare delete them, actually cos5in ec1 rolled of the production lines in 2022, So it IS a car manufacturer, The same with Ruitang, But ruitang only manufactured a few cars, so it is a car manufacturer, As long as a car was made, Then it is a car manufacturer. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

It's never about daring or not, it about verifiable facts. I won't oppose if you can provide any evidence that can prove Costin and Radtin had ever built any prodution cars. I'm not sure if you are aware that there are many similar investment frauds and failed projects in the Chinese automobile industry. They usually release a concept car and then disappear. It is difficult to compare this so-called brand with a manufacturer that actually has a production line and brings goods to the market. This would only compromise the credibility of this list. Infinty 0 (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

here you go

https://carnewschina.com/2021/07/29/first-real-road-pictures-of-costin-ec1-from-chery-the-presale-starts-in-august/

https://carnewschina.com/2021/08/09/first-costin-ec1-rolled-off-the-assembly-line-200km-range-and-five-star-c-ncap-rating/ JamAlBorey (talk) 15:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

It was approved by Chinese MIIT, They even conducted C NCAP tests, And they did manufacture some cars, They even have a factory. JamAlBorey (talk) 15:44, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Judging from all current information, Qilu didn't have any mass-produced models after releasing its first prototype in 2021, nor is there any information about the model being launched. However, according to reports, it was an enterprise invested by the Shandong Provincial Government (not a joint venture with Chery) and has stopped operating for some reasons. I think it can be put on the list. Infinty 0 (talk) 16:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, It should stay, BTW it says "manufacturers/brands" so even brands that didn't make a vehicle can still be put here. JamAlBorey (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

No. "Manufacturer/Brand" means a qualified manufacturer with a specific brand. It does not refer to a "brand" that does not make any cars. Those "brands" usually refer to investment scams. These are two completely different concepts. Don't play with words. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Polestones doesn't make cars, BAW makes it for them, then thy are they here? JamAlBorey (talk) 17:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Because they are actually producing cars and operating normally. They are not investment scams. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Fine, Now do you know what is up with Gyon? JamAlBorey (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Qiantu is still operating

https://telegrafi.com/en/qiantu-k50-event-is-the-first-electric-car-from-china-photo/

https://cnevpost.com/2023/06/20/qiantu-parent-to-establish-jv-in-jordan/

They took a 2 years break and restarted operations in 2022 JamAlBorey (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

https://36kr.com/p/2488262807035784 Qiantu has been bankrupt in 2020, and all their efforts to reconstruct the company has been failed. This can be verified by multiple sources. Check the link above and Yiche/Dcar etc. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you know what is going on with these brands? Henrey Automobile, Zhejiang Plante NEV, Eastone, Ziyou Motor, Ciwei Auto, Pocco (Pengke), Ltd. ZRD Auto, AOJ Auto, Chengdu Lemst Motors, Zhuhai Guangtong Auto (Yinlong), U power, Kissun Auto, Regal Automobile. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll check when I have time. Have been very occupied recently. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, Good luck bro. JamAlBorey (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey Qiantu is not in operation anymore and I have provide reference for it. Infinty 0 (talk) 02:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Nope, They still are. JamAlBorey (talk) 04:15, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

XGjao, Baoya, Jiangling Motor Holdings.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey can you provide any crediable evidence that Qiantu are still operating? Do you check Dcar or Yiche or Autohome? You've been keep making mistakes. Learn and try to double check facts before editing. Infinty 0 (talk) 07:36, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Nope, this one I am 100% sure of, you once told me about jiyue when I said it is Defunct, you said that we should wait a bit till they declare bankruptcy or something, Qiantu is still operating, They expanded to my country in 2024, They are still selling cars, They didn't declare bankruptcy. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey So what car are they selling in your country? They don't have any new model since K50 was discontined in 2020. Infinty 0 (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

They announced that they will be expanding to Jordan and other Middle Eastern countries in 2023, And held an event in 2024, They featured a K50 (But it looked like a plastic model of the K50), But other than that, I think they were going to open a store in the UAE, But I Don't have any updates on that, And I also remember that they sold a caring UAE.

So it seems like they are still in operation, and they didn't declare bankruptcy or anything. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

• They sold a car in the UAE (not caring)

JamAlBorey (talk) 10:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey can you show me the reference of the car they are selling? Infinty 0 (talk) 10:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

https://news.mullenusa.com/mullen-provides-update-on-volt-mobility-210-million-uae-order

https://cnevpost.com/tag/qiantu-motors/

(Mullen Automotive sells rebadged Qiantu cars) JamAlBorey (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey The news link you provided is from two years ago and merely states that Qiantu Motors plans to launch the K50 in the Middle East. There is no concrete evidence to suggest that they have actually even sold a single vehicle. Furthermore, Qiantu has been promoting the K20 for a long time, but it has yet to go into production. Don't you sense a hint of potential investment fraud in all of this? Infinty 0 (talk) 10:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

There's a high chance it is investment fraud, But we have to wait for more accurate news. JamAlBorey (talk) 12:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey

Dalian Huanghai and Polasun were acquired by WM Motor. Since WM Motor, the parent company, has declared bankruptcy, it would be more informative to list these subsidiaries under WM Motor. This would provide readers with a clearer picture of the corporate hierarchy. Infinty 0 (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

The reason I put them in Acquisition or defunct subsidiary is because wm Motor didn't intent on reviving them, Also they went bust before WM Motor did, And WM Motor will restart operations while they won't. JamAlBorey (talk) 12:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

(I know I might go outside of the topic) But do you really own a lynk and co 3? Because it is one of my favourite cars! JamAlBorey (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

I own a Lynk&Co 03+Racing. Just bought it a few months ago. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, Dalian Huanghai and Polarsun were founded and were Defunct before WM Motors. JamAlBorey (talk) 12:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, they are all under WM Motor and become a part of it, so they should be put together. Infinty 0 (talk) 18:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, Put them, Anyway, How has it been? And since there are alot of chinese cars, Are you happy with your purchase, or do you think it was not? Your answer will help me as I am looking for the best hybrid car, Have you modified it? JamAlBorey (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Pretty impressive, this is actually my first time purchasing a Chinese car, and it has exceeded my expectations. The 03+Racing comes pre-equipped with some performance parts straight from the factory, so I've only made some minor modifications. Infinty 0 (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Wow bro, Makes sense, It has the word "racing" in it, Good luck with your car! JamAlBorey (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey there, Hycan is still operating and haven't declared bankruptcy, According to the sources that I saw, I know that they are in huge trouble and only have 50 employees, But we have to wait for more accurate news. JamAlBorey (talk) 13:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Jiyue is completely disbanded. They don't exist anymore JamAlBorey (talk) 15:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Jiyue is completely disbanded, why did you add them? JamAlBorey (talk) 06:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

On 6th January, Xia Yiping the CEO of Jiyue Auto has convened a meeting to establish a 2.0 team. Representatives from various departments, including after-sales, finance, and human resources, attended the meeting, with the exception of the legal department. Xia Yiping clearly stated at the meeting that the company will not give up, and currently, about 500 employees have expressed their willingness to be rehired. Initial slots may be more allocated to the after-sales service department. There is news that a sum of funds is about to be secured, and the working group will start signing contracts in the near future.

Jiyue is currently operating on a small scale, and its official website even continues to offer test drive bookings, making it difficult to assert that the company has completely gone bankrupt. Infinty 0 (talk) 17:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, Thanks for the extra info.. JamAlBorey (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Feely does have a subrand called Geome, they made the really popular Geome Xingyuan, and hey also have a mini EV.. The brand was formally known as Geometry.. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:05, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Geely*** not "feely" JamAlBorey (talk) 09:06, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey Geome is just the abbreviation of Geometry. Infinty 0 (talk) 09:19, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

whatsoever you mean? they have a car called Geome Xingyuan, so I will add it, Geome is a subrand under Geely. Can't you just search it? JamAlBorey (talk) 10:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey Geome is just the English abbreviation of Geometry, which is essentially the same brand. Geometry has been merged into the Geely Galaxy brand, and some models are resold under the Geely brand. There is currently no so-called Geome Xingyuan, only Geely Xingyuan. You can read the articles on Geometry and Galaxy for more detailed information. Infinty 0 (talk) 11:24, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

• What do you mean (sorry Auto correct doesn't work that well)

JamAlBorey (talk) 10:36, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

and hongqi new energy us a subrand of Hongqi.. JamAlBorey (talk) 10:36, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey There are 3 product lines under Hongqi, the Golden Sunflower, the New Energy, the Energy-Saving. All of them are merely product lines sold under Hongqi brand. Infinty 0 (talk) 11:26, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

OK.. JamAlBorey (talk) 12:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

where is Jiangling? why did you remove it? JamAlBorey (talk) 09:09, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey If you mean JMC/ Jiangling Motor, it is a joint venture with Ford. You can check the foreign joint venture section. Infinty 0 (talk) 09:24, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Geome is a brand under Geely, source:

https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/02/geelys-updated-panda-mini-ev-bringing-200-km-range-at-a-low-price/

https://carnewschina.com/2024/11/02/sunday-china-drive-geely-geome-xingyuan-redefining-competition-with-the-byd-seagull/

secondly, Hycan isn't Defunct, GAC Aion took over the after-sales service, but we shiuld wait for more accurate news. JamAlBorey (talk) 07:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey I pretty sure that this is incorrect. Geome is equivalent to Geometry. Can you find the official website of “Geome”? Or can you provide any official source from Geely to prove that Geome is even an different brand from Geometry? Can you find any Chinese major car APPs which list Geome as an independent brand? Can you find even one independent store of Geome in China?

Hycan is dead, I suggest you to use translate to read relevant report. Infinty 0 (talk) 08:14, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

can you just admit Geome is a brand?if you actually read the articles, the cars LITTRALLY have "Geome" logo.. the biggest problem with you is that when you are wrong, you just don't admit it..

About Hycan, the reports say that GAC Aion took over after-sales service and stuff, but they didn't mention Hycan filing for Bankruptcy.. JamAlBorey (talk) 08:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey As I said again, Geome is Geometry. Before saying I am wrong, can you raise any evidence as I said above? I'm a native Chinese speaker living in China and I know what I'm talking about.

https://news.m.yiche.com/hao/wenzhang/95259684/ Infinty 0 (talk) 09:10, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Give me sources saying Geometry is the abrieviation of Geome.. the article above talks about Geometry not Geome.. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:20, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

@JamAlBorey The link is in the previous reply. Infinty 0 (talk) 09:29, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

I read it lol, it says "Geometry" not Geome.. JamAlBorey (talk) 10:51, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

https://m.autohome.com.cn/news/202409/1300180.html?from=pc&platform-key=m#pvareaid=102624 JamAlBorey (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

if you still don't believe, I feel bad for you.. JamAlBorey (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Don't worry, I quit, do whatever you want, I don't care about your misinformation. JamAlBorey (talk) 10:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

"I have always won arguments against smart people, but I have never won an argument against ignorant people"

- Ahmed Bin-Hanbal JamAlBorey (talk) 05:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

As we have discussed numerous times, I have consistently emphasized that there is no evidence indicating Geome is a sub-brand under Geely. It is merely an abbreviation for the Geometry brand (I have already provided a link to clarify this). Furthermore, I have repeatedly asked you to provide credible evidence—such as official statements from the Geely Group, information from their official website, or proof of Geome's independent sales channels—to substantiate your claim that Geome operates as a standalone brand under Geely. Can you provide any of this?

You accuse me of ignorance, but I ask: Who is the one being ignorant here? Infinty 0 (talk) 04:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Geome is a subbrand under Geely or geely Galaxy, They have 2 cars, the Panda Mini, and the Xingyuan, source.. https://www.galaxy-geely.com/xingyuan JamAlBorey (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Don't you see the website is the Geely Galaxy? which is exactly what I told you before. The Geometry has been consolidated into Galaxy! Infinty 0 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Geome is a stand-alone car brand. It is just owned by Geely Galaxy, FAW's website features Hingqi and Bestune, does that mean we should remove them? Heck no! JamAlBorey (talk) 15:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I also asked moderaters from China Car Forums about Qiantu, He told me that Qiantu might be in financial trouble, But they still didn't close operations, Nor did they declare bankruptcy, So Qiantu isn't Defunct. JamAlBorey (talk) 09:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hello. The correct plural of aircraft is also aircraft. Hope this helps, best wishes, DBaK (talk) 23:47, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered thank you Infinty 0 (talk) 00:05, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

You're very very welcome! Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:37, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for making those corrections. I wasn't sure if the list would include LSEVs. Personally I think there should be a list of Chinese LSEVs manufacturers, I always find it fascinating reading up all the different ones that are sold in China, some of which were only sold in one prefecture. I could imagine the list would be even bigger than the automobile list but I believe it's important to have a definitive list of these Chinese makes before they become lost to time.

Just a few questions, what vehicles (or automobiles) do CRRC Electric Vehicle sell? I tried looking up the company and all I can find are buses and trains. Does this mean we can include brands that make buses and articulated trucks or should those be another list of their own? BeiBen was one brand I was going to add but chose not to since they seem to exclusively make articulated trucks (or lorries as we call them in the UK). I added WindBooster because they did made a couple of prototype sports car. One that was based on the Toyota 86 in 2014 and an original one in 2017. Vauxford (talk) 05:01, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

@Vauxford Thank you for your contribution and edits. According to Chinese regulations, only enterprises possessing the motor vehicle manufacturing license issued by China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) are recognized as "automobile manufacturers." Currently, so-called low-speed electric vehicle manufacturers in China do not have the legal production qualifications, and thus their products cannot be termed "cars."

Instead, they are similar to products like four-wheeled electric bicycles (which do not require car-like license plates, and drivers do not need a license). As you mentioned, the market for low-speed electric vehicles in China is very large. Personally, I am not very familiar with the related details and do not have the capacity to compile a list.

CRRC Electric Vehicle is a company under the CRRC Group specifically engaged in manufacturing electric buses. Buses and trucks fall under the category of commercial vehicles and certainly can be included in the list, including the one you mentioned, Beiben.

The company called Windbooster is merely a vehicle modification factory and does not possess the manufacturing qualification, so it cannot be considered a manufacturer. For specific details, you can refer to the website of Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, though it is in Chinese.

https://app.miit-eidc.org.cn/miitxxgk/gonggao/xxgk/index Infinty 0 (talk) 06:34, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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