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Request for comment: Lead sentence for train or railway stations

In what way should the lead sentence of articles dealing with railway stations or train stations be fashioned? See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment: Identification of train or railway stations in the lead. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Additions of Template:Talk header

This may be of interest: Template:Talk header#Usage includes

This template should only be placed where it's needed. Don't visit talk pages just to add this template, and don't place it on the talk pages of new articles. Talk pages that are frequently misused, that attract frequent or perpetual debate, articles often subject to controversy, and highly-visible or popular topics may be appropriate for this template.

Ojorojo (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Ojorojo, I wasn't aware of that. I've been adding {{talkheader}} to the talk pages of articles that I've edited, but in the future I'll be more selective about which talk pages I add {{talkheader}} to. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Reversion on Keith Richard

Just to let you know, Keith Richards was called Keith Richard during the heart of his career, beginning with the first Rolling Stones album through at least Beggars Banquet. That's every album, every single, every songwriter reference almost through the very end of the 1960's. Just because the CD's and download sites might show something else now doesn't make this go away as a part of this great man's history. I had to dig around on the Internet to find out that it was Andrew Loog Oldham's idea. If you want to put that info somewhere else in the article, that's fine by me; it doesn't have to be in the intro, though that is where I usually see alternate names. But it should go somewhere. Shocking Blue (talk) 14:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@Shocking Blue: The name change is discussed in the last paragraph of Keith Richards#Early life. I've also added it to the infobox. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 16:43, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I'm happy. :-) The infobox is a good place for it. Maybe Wikipedia is where I found the info about Oldham after all. Shocking Blue (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Allen Klein

Hi, I've been looking over Allen Klein per your assessment request at WikiProject Biography. There's a lot of good progress here. Nice work! I love to see lots of citations to strong sources, and the sources you've chosen look good to me. With more inline citations and more diverse secondary sources, promoting this to C-class would be a no-brainer. (I'm sure some of this can be addressed by repeating existing sfn notes wherever they support a statement, instead of using each one just once.) I realize that Goodman is a major text for this subject, just take care not to make the article a summary of that one work.

For B-class and beyond, I would like to see a more cohesive flow to the narrative. Tell a story. Use shorter sentences. There is going to be some jumping around chronologically, so it's important to establish context and tie things together. Each paragraph and each section should flow logically from the one before. Some of the topic sentences already start strong:

"The split between Klein and the Stones led to years of litigation."

"Klein was hit with his first crisis in managing the Beatles when..."

"In 1964 Klein approached the Beatles' manager, Brian Epstein..."

If the topic sentence can set up the section or paragraph in, say, 18 words or less, even better.

I've left the assessment request in the queue. Another editor might see things differently, but I feel that an article of this length should be more densely populated with citations, drawing on a wider range of secondary sources. —Ringbang (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Ringbang. I'll try to make more improvements to the article when I have some free time. A major challenge has been finding sources other than the Fred Goodman biography. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 03:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
My pleasure. Good luck in your research! Since more citations might not get added for some time, I'm going to remove this from the assessment queue. —Ringbang (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Whose

Have a look. --John (talk) 13:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting. I see that one of the definitions of "whose" at meriam-webster.com is "used to give more information about a person or thing already mentioned", and one of their examples is "the first poem whose publication he ever sanctioned", so it looks like you're right. The Grammar Bible by Strumpf and Douglas doesn't address this except, as I noted in one of my edit summaries, on page 179 it says "Who and its accompanying forms refers only to people." Apparently "whose" is the possessive form not only of "who" but of "which". I didn't know that! Thanks. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Tony Barrow

With respect, Tony passed away in Lancaster Royal Infirmary on Saturday night at 10.05pm. MikeB1966 (talk) 23:38, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@MikeB1966: What's your source for this? Instead of edit warring we should talk about it at talk:Tony Barrow. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 23:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
The Guardian is also saying that Barrow died at home in Morecambe: . Strawberry4Ever (talk) 23:44, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately the newspapers have reported incorrect information, as I have first-hand information about this. MikeB1966 (talk) 06:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

@MikeB1966: Wikipedia doesn't allow original research. "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist." Even if you personally saw Tony Barrow die at Lancaster Royal Infirmary, unless you can find a secondary source for this, on Wikipedia we have to report that he died at his home in Morecambe. 12:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely no offence, I have not edited Wiki before, I just wanted this to be correct. As per the above scenario, how could I get a secondary source? Help would be much appreciated!! Thx. MikeB1966 (talk) 17:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

@MikeB1966: Secondary sources are explained at WP:SECONDARY. You need to find an article in a newspaper, magazine, or (eventually) book which says that Tony Barrow died at Lancaster Royal Infirmary. Some websites count as secondary sources, but only if they are reliable sources. See WP:RELIABLE. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

... revoke his membership ...

You may recall that I scratched my head over this incident when I was editing the U.S. Chess Federation page. Fischer was not a member (and hadn't been for at least a decade) when the motion was passed. So they didn't actually revoke his membership, just revoked his right to become a member. Perhaps just a nit.

I ran across a transcript of the USCF's meeting, and it was eye-opening. Brady, who was on the EB at the time, was distraught -- several dozen of his co-workers had been killed in 9/11, and there he was, the leading biographer of Fischer, and Fischer had gone on radio and cheered for the terrorists. The other EB members were evidently reluctant to get the USCF involved, and they knew that the USCF could do essentially nothing to punish or discipline Fischer, but to appease Brady they passed the motion that they did. The following year, after Brady's term had expired, they repealed. Bruce leverett (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Good point, Bruce. I've updated that section of the Bobby Fischer article. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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