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Hi Fellow Wikipedia Editors in the Classical Music Project! My most recent revision to a draft submission Draft:Pietro Deiro Presents the Accordion Orchestra might now to be suitable for transfer to the main page. It is well referenced, documented and Wikified. It also links to several internationally recognized musicians and recording artists in the realm of both classical and jazz mmusic from the Golden Age of Radio in the United States including: John Serry Sr., Carmen Carrozza, Pietro Deiro and Angelo Di Pippo. I would be greatly honored if you could take a look at the draft whenever you have some free time to assist in moving it to the main page of Wikipedia. I have added a few historical reference citations about the orchestral musicians who perform on the album, along with additional references from the Discography of American Historical Recordings - with critical reviews posted in The Catholic Digest and The Billboard in 1960 which may help to meet Wikipedia's "notability" requirements. A link to a photograph of several of the orchestra members as they are receive awards with the composers Paul Creston and Virgil Thomson at a meeting of ASCAP in the 1960s is also included. I have also included background links to the main article Accordion in music (See the section on 'The Accordion Orchestra in Classical music") which may also help to establish "notability" for the participating musicians. Additionally, the master discs from the album have been archived within the permanent collection of the "Discography of American Historical Recordings" at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and at the University of Missouri Kansas City.

P.S See a few of the additional new references here: ^{[1] [2][3][4][5][6][7]}

Thnaks again for your consideration and best wishes for your continued success on Wikipeida. Respectfully ~2026-45691-1 (talk) 16:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)NHPL

Cia fellow editors --I've included additional content for a critical review posted in High Fidelity (magazine) in 1960 as shown here. I hope that it is helpful. Good luck with your review!

A critic at High Fidelity noted that, "Pietro Deiro and Joe Biviano, accordionists par excellence, have gathered sixteen of their colleagues into an all-accordion approximation of a full-throated symphony orchestra...Maestro Biviano's catholic program...displays the limitations as well as the potentialities of his assemblage,..Admirers of the accordion, nonetheless, should be enchanted by this near tour de force."^[1]

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Editors may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chord factor. All opinions welcome.4meter4 (talk) 00:45, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

St John Passion structure has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:29, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

When reverting an edit at List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven, I had to check some sources and found that the website https://lvbeethoven.com/, cited there several times, results in "404 not found" errors, is infested with ads and contains no useful information. The URLs worked when I changed them to http://www.lvbeethoven.fr/; I recommend you do that, too, when you encounter it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:25, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

The article Caeli enarrant... has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Completely unsourced for almost 20 years. Tagged as Unreferenced for 6 years. Tagged for notability concerns for 4 months. No other language has a reliably sourced article from which to translate. Several online searches reveal no sources. Created by an SPA whose only edit was this page.

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The article Edmund Jolliffe has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as NN and AUTO for 15 years. No other language has a reliably sourced article from which to translate. Poorly sourced WP:BLP.

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The article Cornelis Witthoefft has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

BLP tagged for one source and for notability concerns for 15 years. No other language has a reliably sourced article from which to translate.

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I'll take a look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

kept --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Did you know that Wikipedia has individual articles for musical notes? There's one about A♭, D, even B♯.

The full list:

A (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

A-flat (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

A-sharp (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

B (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

B-flat (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

B♯ (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

C (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

C-sharp (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

D (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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E (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

E-flat (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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F-sharp (musical note) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Each article is a carbon copy of the same basic material, which is content forked from other articles. Most of the articles only rely on a single source, the faculty page of a deceased physics professor. They've been left in this state for 17 years.

I redirected all of the articles to Musical note. After an objection and consultation with other editors, I nominated them for deletion. Nearly every person in the discussion recognized the deep flaws in the articles. However, User:28bytes felt there wasn't a consensus about what to do with them. He suggested we discuss it here, which is the reason for this note.

As I said in my nomination, these articles attempt to define each note in a way that violates Wikipedia policy. They are also bad content forks. Most importantly, an entire generation of Wikipedia editors have not been able to cite "significant coverage in reliable sources" to justify their existence.

The editors who argued they should be kept nearly all agreed that they must be improved in order to do so. The ones who disagreed argued for obvious solutions like deletion or redirection. The question is now posed to the Classical Music Project about what to do with these deeply defective articles.Trumpetrep (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Y Support. Redirect them all to musical note (which itself needs a good rework), and update the hatnotes on the letter article and its disambiguation page (e.g. E, and E (disambiguation)), since they simply aren't notable by themselves. I can perhaps understand why the keys like D major or G-sharp minor exist as separate articles, since there's a lot written about that, but we don't need an article for each note, otherwise do we stop at quarter tones like E-half-flat? Then we're down a microtonal rabbit hole. Jonathanischoice (talk) 02:34, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

That said, maybe we need to look at cleaning up the key articles as well, since there seems to be a lot of OR and INDISCRIMINATE present in just the two examples provided. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 16:13, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

Absolutely. Neither that D major or G-sharp minor article should exist based on their current forms, if we're abiding by policy. Trumpetrep (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

Delete them, thanks for listing Hftf (talk) 05:54, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

I'd support a (partial) merge of all articles into musical note per MERGEREASON#2&3&4. Arguably, this is not a BADFORK situation as the nominator says (we have 17 articles on different notes, not 17 articles on the same note). Regardless, it makes sense to merge as there is a significant overlap, each article is reletively short (disregarding the information they have in common), and there is not SIGCOV of each note itself. Thanks, UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 16:24, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

Just to clarify the fork issue, it is the content of the articles that is forked from several other sources in a way that is contrary to policy.Trumpetrep (talk) 16:35, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

I think I get what you mean, but that's not explicitly a "bad fork" in the sense of BADFORK (which are exclusively pages of the same type on the same subject and point of view (POV) forks), which is why I was confused :) UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 17:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

The contents of Scientific pitch notation and Helmholtz pitch notation are forked over to each individual note page. Those are redundant content forks. Regardless, I'm glad you agree these pages are problematic. Trumpetrep (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

So what are the next steps here? It seems obvious to me that the consensus is for the articles to be redirected to musical note, while merging some minor data from some articles. Trumpetrep (talk) 19:47, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

Support redirect all to Musical note. Redirection WP:PRESERVEs the content, and the nuggets can be picked out from the page history to merge into new or existing articles. It would be better not to have the articles hanging around in the encyclopedia in their current state. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:38, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

Ciao fellow Wikipedia editors: I have recently completed a new update to the submission Draft:Pietro Deiro Presents the Accordion Orchestra which documents noteworthy and historic performances of classical music compositions by one of the very few modern symphonic orchestras in the USA (during the mid 20th Century) consisting entirely of customized accordions on a major record label. It features orchestral performances by several leading jazz and classical music accordionists of that era including: Carmen Carrozza, Angelo Di Pippo, Charles Magnante, John Serry and Joe Biviano (the "father of the accordion symphony movement in the United States") which helped to establish the young accordion as a legitimate orchestral instrument in the USA,^[1] and is listed on the Discography of American Historical Recordings (DAHR) database.^[2][3] These performances ere also critically reviewed in The Billboard (magazine),"^[4] High Fidelity (magazine)^[5], Catholic Digest^[6] and in several major newspapers in the USA^[7][8][9] (as shown on Newspaperarchve.com) which described it as a "tour de force". It was also reviewed internationally in the Swedish journal Accordion Journalen.^[10] I have provided additional reference citations, incorporated a more neutral tone in the text, wikified the structure of the draft and attempted to limit the use of references as much as possible without detracting from the verification of the noteworthy nature of the orchestra's members.Feel free to make any additional deletions or modifications which you might deem necessary,. It someone has time, perhaps you could start a formal move request discussion after completing a final review of the text. I've listed a few references below which are relevant. Thanks in advance for your help and Happy Editing! With best regards ~2026-10873-46 (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC) NHPL

~2026-10873-46 (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Good work. I moved it. I don't know if that breaks some kind of law, but it's silly for you to be working this hard to create an article.

The previous comments are correct. There are far too many references per square inch of the article. It's overstating the case. There's a lot that needs to be cleaned up, but you've provided all the tools for other editors to do so. Trumpetrep (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Ciao Trumpetrep: Just a quick note to thank you for kind and thoughtful assistance in moving the draft. BRAVO!!! It was a pleasure to collaborate with you on this unique article which provides historical insights into an instrument which once enjoyed widespread acceptance on the concert hall stage in the USA (including Carnegie Hall in the early 1940s) and was even accepted at major music conservatories including the Juilliard School, the University of Missouri-Kansas City and the Lamont School of Music at the University of Denver (where Robert Davine served as Chairman of the Accordion Department and contributed to the development of the first modern curriculum for instruction on the Accordion for the central government of the Peoples Republic of China during the 1980s while performing with chamber orchestra ensembles). In modern times, however, interest in the performance of classical orchestral music on the accordion in the USA has become muted and it is virtually impossible to even pursue professional studies at the university level in the USA on this instrument despite advances in the development of the Free-bass system and the widespread acceptance which the instrument enjoys in orchestras throughout Europe. The individual musicians mentioned in this article labored for decades (1940s-1960s) to circumvent the image of the accordion as merely a lowly "folk instrument" and preserved their love for its unique harmonic overtones as a free-reed instrument for future generations to enjoy through rare recordings such as the one described in this article. BRAVO for taking the time as a professional musician and a music scholar to preserve their contributions to the realm of classical music for aspiring musicians throughout the world. For ultimately, in the words of the legendary Howard Hanson (Director of the Eastman School of Music at the University of Rochester) "To the artist, to the musician, is given the task of creating and expressing beauty--of sensitizing the souls of men." In this way, they create the context for international peace for humanity as a whole through the practice of cultural diplomacy. Thanks again for your thoughtful assistance--- it was indeed a pleasure! With best wishes for your future editorial success, ~2026-10873-46 (talk) 22:08, 18 February 2026 (UTC)NHPL

The accordion is indeed great, and this article more than meets the guidelines for inclusion on Wikipedia. There are all kinds of great built-in tools to help you format correct citations. I'm tidying up the article now. Very few of the citations are up to snuff. Regardless, you did yeoman's work in finding all the sources, and Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. Hopefully more people will expand the site's coverage of an overlooked instrument. Trumpetrep (talk) 22:55, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Ciao; Trumpetrep Thanks again for your outstanding editorial guidance! I'll leave the remainder of the editorial work on the article to professionals such as yourself who obviously have much more experience and technical expertise. As the American composer Samuel Adler (composer) observed: * To me, the wonderful thing about music is a love affair between the performer and the composer, and between the composer and his audience. This love affair is a tripartite thing. Such a joint collaboration can only result in a more inspirational article for all readers to enjoy! Thanks again and best wishes ~2026-10873-46 (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)NHPL

I have fond memories of working with Sam at Juilliard. He also wrote a really nice piece for trumpet. Trumpetrep (talk) 01:49, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

BRAVISSIMO! You may be able to contribute to my article about Adler's historic founding of the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra in post World War II Germany as part of the USA's cultural diplomacy initiatives. Here you will find an audio link to Adler conducting his orchestra in his own composition "Summer Stock Overture" in 1955 with photographs of Adler conducting his orchestra amidst the ruins of German cities in 1952 and the transcript of a radio interview with him from 1991. Also check out his biography at Samuel Adler (composer). In honor of his 97th birthday I included: additional biographical context, links to photographs from his tenure at Julliard, Eastman School and the New York Cantorial Choir, audio links to Adler conducting Fingal's Cave Overture in 2006, his "Fourth String Quartet" circa 1960s, links to interviews given by Adler about the liturgical work of his father Hugo Chaim Adler and Herbert Fromm, links to his liturgical compositions, and links to several of his quotations on Wikiquote (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Samuel_Adler) You may also enjoy contributing to my biography of the 20th century composer Robert Strassburg who was a colleague of Adler and a student of Stravinsky, Hindemith and Walter Piston at Harvard. Strassburg is remembered for his research into the compositions of Ernest Bloch and his own compositions inspired by the poetry of his fellow New Yorker Walt Whitman as well as his liturgical music! MELIORA and share the music! With best wishes ~2026-11208-45 (talk) 22:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the article. It's nice that you are contributing to the encyclopedia. Please create a user name. Trumpetrep (talk) 21:38, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

Is there an official preference for LilyPond over images of scores in music articles?Trumpetrep (talk) 22:12, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

Not that I know, and I don't think there's a general preference. However, many user-supplied score snippet images are faulty and it's difficult to correct them. LilyPond allows for relatively easy corrections/improvements and, where meaningful, allows sound output. Horses for courses. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:34, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

There certainly should be a preference for any scalable representation over a pixel image. Lilypond is a popular system, but it is a niche format; musicXML is editable by any number of music score programs, and would seem optimal. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:46, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

LilyPond is supported by the Mediawiki Score extension and thus available on enwiki; musicXML is not currently. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 08:08, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

Please see this AFD. Any comments would be appreciated. Graham87 (talk) 08:21, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

I've withdrawn the nomination, as she appears to be nationally notable in her native Iceland. Graham87 (talk) 03:05, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

I’ve drafted an English translation of the Swedish article on Tommie Haglund, with additional English-language sources. I work for the publisher of a recent interview volume about him and have tried to keep the article neutral and well-sourced. I would appreciate any feedback or suggestions for improvement before it is considered for mainspace.

Draft available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommie_Haglund Treole (talk) 21:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

Good work. I moved it to the main space. His Swedish page essentially looks the same. Plenty of media coverage to establish his notability.

Wikipedia has a conflict of interest guideline which would seem to suggest that you should leave any further editing to others. Trumpetrep (talk) 23:56, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2026 February 19 § Chorales in St Matthew Passion. NightWolf1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 01:59, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Just notifying members of this project that there is a Conflict of Interest edit request relevant to this WikiProject at the Derek Han article. DrThneed (talk) 06:31, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Not sure if this is worth rescuing, but it has been WP:PRODed. Best.4meter4 (talk) 4meter4 (talk) 15:10, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning it here, User:4meter4. If an editor does bother to rescue it, they should also take a moment to add some citations to an article that is completely devoid of sources. Trumpetrep (talk) 23:14, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

There's a rather large section in a PhD thesis here, but other than that I'm drawing a blank. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 19:36, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Regular temperament has been nominated for deletion. Trumpetrep (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Just notifying members of this project that there is a Conflict of Interest edit request relevant to this WikiProject at the Folias Flute and Guitar Duo article. DrThneed (talk) 01:42, 11 March 2026 (UTC)