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Moved, 20 February 2026, from Archil of Imereti to Archil II, see discussion.
No consensus, 25 March 2026, from Archil II to Archil of Imereti, see discussion.

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Requested move 25 March 2026

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 02:53, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

Archil II → Archil of ImeretiArchil of Imereti – It’s incorrect to refer to Archil as “II.” Archil I of Iberia was a king of Iberia, and regnal numbering was continued by the kings of Georgia and later Kartli. However, Archil of Imereti ruled Imereti and Kakheti, and he was the only ruler with that name in both kingdom.

From 1675, Archil again moved to Imereti, where he reigned intermittently from 1678 to 1698. He was called Archil II in Georgian historiography until recently. In this regard, we expressed the opinion that since a king with such a name had never reigned in Imereti or Kakheti before, he should be called Archil I. Gergos10 (talk) 17:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 19:12, 1 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 01:24, 9 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 00:59, 19 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley $\lor$ investigateᛅ} 04:21, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Oppose - His regnal name was II, regardless of his rule in Imereti or Kakheti. It is well-established and universal for Archil. Regards, An emperor ✖ 00:05, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
Could you please provide a source? Several sources refer to Archil of Kakheti as “Archil II.” Gergos10 (talk) 10:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
Gergos10, you supported the current title just one month ago. Of course, I'm happy to see those moves reverted. Srnec (talk) 23:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Georgia (country), WikiProject Royalty and Nobility, WikiProject Russia, and WikiProject Iran have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 00:58, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Question - What is the WP:COMMONNAME in most WP:RS? --PoliticalPoint (talk) 19:14, 25 April 2026 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet of Justthefacts, see investigation) ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley $\lor$ investigateᛅ} 14:29, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
In most sources he is referred to as "Archil". Mikaberidze gives him the regnal name "II", but the "I" is Archil of Kakheti instead of Archil I. Several sources also give Archil of Kakheti the regan number "II",

including the source I mentioned above. I also mentioned above that Archil was the first king in the Kingdom of Imereti and Kingdom of Kakheti with that name. Yes, it is true that he is also known as "Archil II", but he did not reign in Georgia or Kartli. Gergos10 (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
~~In that case, support moving Archil II to Archil of Imereti per WP:COMMONNAME. --PoliticalPoint (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2026 (UTC)~~ ( Blocked sockpuppet of Justthefacts, see investigation) ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley $\lor$ investigateᛅ} 14:29, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

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