Talk:Artemis

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Please let me edit this page and add some things. Some are important things about her abilities and some more. 188.4.186.180 (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I can see why it was written like that, but it's unclear who's doing the hunting with the current wording. Also might want add the alternative translation "Sypretes". A couple of sources/translations:

Antoninus Liberalis, cited by Francis Celoria. The Metamorphoses of Antoninus Liberalis: A Translation with Commentary, pp.71.

Orion: The Myth of the Hunter and the Huntress, pp.125-126. University of California Press

--5.91.87.141 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

We are already using Celoria's translation (the online version at Topostext), and I've now added Fontenrose as a secondary source there. I presume it was Artemis that was doing the hunting (though Antoninus Liberalis' passage doesn't actually make that clear), and the article states that he accidentally sees Artemis bathing while she was hunting, which I think is clear enough in terms of who was hunting. That sentence could do with rephrasing, though. As to "Sypretes", that would require a source. – Michael Aurel (talk) 21:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Deiadameian has given Siproites their own article. I have edited our treatment of the story in this article per our discussion at Talk:Siproites. – Michael Aurel (talk) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

wikilink Niobe pls 2A02:2F0B:B20D:2700:800D:85F5:508C:E5A1 (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. Paul August ☎ 10:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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I would like to add an image of Artemis, Greek Goddess of the Wilderness, Wild Animals and the Moon as seen in contemporary Art.

Randomactofflower (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This does not look to be a particularly good representation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the image is particularly useful here. Paul August ☎ 17:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with above. No particular reason to include this image. --Macrakis (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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In the third paragraph, please change "having laid" to "having lain".

Thank you. WhiteMarlin (talk) 02:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done 3mi1y (talk) 08:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Please consider including the insights from this newly published article: Bilby, Mark. G. and Anna Lefteratou. "A Dramatic Heist of Epic Proportion: Iphigenia among the Taurians in the Acts of the Apostles," Harvard Theological Review 115.4 (2002) 496-518. https://doi.org/10.1017/S0017816022000293

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Greek art is important, could we try to add more to appeal to the audience of younger kids? ScheelDiverts (talk) 16:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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The title is somewhat erroneous. It could simply be changed to "in art" or "influence in arts"...ect

e content of paragraph is very good. re Renaissance art and Modern art the same?

Modern art: It is mentioned in this wikipedia article (with references), how 'Modern Art' start approximately in 1860.

Renaissance Art Here, 1620 is the date given for the end of the 'renaissance'.

Both articles contain reference for the given dates. 94.252.107.93 (talk) 11:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The article makes the claim that Artemis was never seen by the Greeks as a moon goddess, and this does seem to be a widely understood fact. I am trying to understand, then, why we have Euripides, in Iphigenia at Aulis, referring to Artemis as "you that spin the silver light at night" or "goddess who lets her brilliant light roll along through the gloomy darkness of the night." What is Euripides referring to if not a lunar aspect for Artemis? I understand that Euripides belonged to later Greek antiquity, but he is certainly Greek, which belies the article's statement that "no records have been found of the Greeks referring to Artemis as a lunar deity." Satyreyes (talk) 22:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

An IP user 204.210.183.186 seems to be adding story-like additions to the Childhood section of the article. Isn't this against encyclopaedic tone of Wikipedia? i2n2z 06:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

It gives WP:UNDUE weight to one late writer's poetic conceits and embellishments, based solely on the IP editor's reading of that WP:PRIMARY source. I'll remove it. NebY (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

The article does address that being a virgin goddess and a goddess of childbirth seems contradictory, but I think the approach to her connection with children should be re-thought entirely. I've gone through the listed sources (many of which are not primary or even secondary but are themselves referencing secondary or tertiary sources) and none of them are definitive about worshipping her in the aid of childbirth, and in fact many of the sources seem to point to other related goddesses for aid while describing Artemis as being appeased so that she wouldn't interfere with the birth. Furthermore, the main (secondary) sources are both from before 1980, when many Greek goddesses were still being conflated with 'mother figures' and were often considered interchangeable. I'd like to see the article reflect the nuances of Artemis' role in childbirth and rearing, instead of basically repeating the same paragraph multiple times. I'd also like to see a general recognition of the failings of the literature and research (although that would end up needing to be a header on probably thousands of articles about ancient societies). Adrenaline.Researcher (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The connection is sound. See for example the Oxford Classical Dictionary entry which identifies childbirth and the rearing of children in the second sentence, and soon remarks that though she had different cults in different places, those and other "above-mentioned concerns are part of her Panhellenic persona and recur commonly in local cults". It later lists various places in which her "role as protector of women in childbirth is expressed through her epithet Loch[e]ia" or identification with Eileithyia - which some suggest is another epithet. The OCD's entry on childbirth tells us that "the deities most invoked in labour were Artemis Eileithyia (sometimes regarded as separate deities) or Hera in Greece, Juno Licina in Rome." I haven't come across the Greek goddesses being treated as interchangeable, and quite how anyone would swap Athena for Hera or Aphrodite for Artemis is beyond me, but there's not a whiff of that in those entries or any other OCD entries that I remember. NebY (talk) 13:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I stumbled at the same paragraphs as Adrenaline Researcher (and some other passages) and came to similar conclusions independently: The cited sources are more cautious or specific than the article about the Artemis-childbirth-connection. There seems to be a connection beyond appeasement, but she isn't "of childbirth" in the same way she's "of the hunt", and it would be nice if the article reflected this, and stuck closer to cited sources. The OCD also remarks on Artemis' extraordinary capacity for assimilating other deities and the identification with great goddesses, the latter likely as in interpretatio graeca, but we usually don't grant Hermes Thoth's moon- or scribe-ness either.

Interchangeable may be a bit strong, but the impact of Graves' Triple Goddess, Campbell's monomyth, and similar ideas has been noted, and may influence some 20th century sources. The other passages, for example, on the "little she-bears" of the Arkteia, seem to be resting mainly on a joke from Lysistrata that later scholars didn't treat as such, and I just checked because there's no diminutive in the Greek.

These are ultimately minor issues, and I'm new, so I've got no idea what happened here or where the wikipedian consensus is at, but I'd like to work on it. Perhaps there's a way forward in the when and where of attested aspects and closer reading of sources? LingoLink (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new and just wanted to translate bears as bears, and do Artemis' child murdering some justice. I found more:

1) Description, Epithets and Functions, Attributes, and Art are all partially describing (art), tracing some origins, and saying little on epithets or function. I'd propose reorganizing, with Homer, the Homeric Hymn and Ephesus at the start, then mention of her many attributes, identifications and branching origins, as well as briefly addressing (bear) stars before moons, triplication, and other common conflations.

2) I found 2 sources that didn't say what was claimed and remedied some, at least one more, van der Toorn, whose scope likely is narrower, and Hjerrild supports two subheaders of Attributes alone.

3) Specific dubious parts: a) Sources I checked agreed on scant evidence, textual or otherwise, for the Arkteia, one decidedly doesn't cover the myth, b) the "she's not Luna-Diana" ends up contradicting the bear-star-myth and misconstrues "she represents" as evidence for syncretism, c) the triple deities seem to appear in Greece in Proclus' Theology, likely esoteric, but later sages possibly following him, not the example of Diana. I'm unsure how to solve either.

4) The Worship sections may need a fork for the festivals, like for the epithets, and less Pausanias. Pirenne-Delforge 2006, probably 2008, claims he did like his rites ancient beyond modern standards.

I'd appreciate help and someone checking my work! LingoLink (talk) 19:43, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

@LingoLink Make an initial edit and cite a reliable source, and then ping us here again and we can take a look. FULBERT (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

"seem to appear in Greece in Proclus' Theology" Proclus was a Neoplatonist in the 5th century CE. Whatever the nature of his theology was, in his era the Ancient Greek religion had considerably declined and many of the traditional festivals of the gods were likely no longer celebrated. His religious ideas likely had key differences from writers from earlier eras. Dimadick (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

that was a BC/CE error, thanks for the catch! the temple and cult at Ephesus persisted into the 5th though, but yes, probably not unchanged from classical greece. ~2026-42410-24 (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi LingoLink. As you've noticed, this page is substantially flawed. I removed or reworked some of the worst parts a few months ago, but there's much further work to be done. If you have the impetus to tackle some of these problems, please go for it. Just remember to cite any information you add to reliable sources; I'd be happy to point you to some such sources, if you're unsure where to look. Cheers, Michael Aurel (talk) 10:05, 31 July 2026 (UTC)