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Grammar
The first sentence should read: "At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, located in the then Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)" instead of: "at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, then located in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)". It did not physically move.
The section titled "Social Economic Effects" should be renamed to "socioeconomic effects" to reflect proper terminology.
- minor but this is the English language page "Numerous structural and construction quality issues, as well as deviations from the original plant design, had been known to KGB since at least 1973 and passed on to the Central Committee, which take no action and classified the information." should be "been known to the KGB... which took no action"
Containing fire
The timeline says all fires were contained at 5:00 - this should probably mention "fires around the power plant": The core continued to burn days after, but there is no description what measures really lead to containing the fire inside the reactor. It just says "It is now known that virtually none of the neutron absorbers reached the core." It is not clear what really stopped the fire.
- decay heat was the "fire" and it "stopped" being "red hot" like decay heat always does. With time.
Grammar edit request
There's a rather extended high-comma-count "sentence" with what looks to be a misspelling.
The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, were the unabated ingestion of local food, primarily milk consumption, resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body, after the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine, recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise, in internal committed dose, before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.
minimal-change improvement:
The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, where the unabated ingestion of local food (primarily milk) resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body. After the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise in internal committed dose before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.
length of lead
This has come up before, see..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chernobyl_disaster/Archive_13#Lead_too_long
Pounds??
Hello, I do not understand why some indications of weight are expressed in tonnes, and then translated into pounds. My idea is: this is an event which took place in Europe. USSR and in general the entire world, except 3 countries, use the metrical system. Should we transform weight measurements into another system just for the benefit of some American colleagues? What does U.S. have to do with this specific entry? Thanks Edox1999 (talk) Edox1999 14:10, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
- Hello!
- You might find some answers in this guide > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Units_of_measurement (sorry I can't format properly on mobile).
- From my understanding the unit of measurement used first is the one most relevant to the article, with the US conversion usually included somewhere.
- For example: "The cow weighs 400kg (900lbs)"
- Personally, I think your argument is valid and we could convert the measurements into metric, with imperial as a bracketed addition! We just need to ensure it's consistent all the way through. Happy to help if needed but my mathematics is subpar. :•) Gromithead (talk) 14:22, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2026
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Under the section "Accident Sequence", in the second paragraph of the subsection "Reactor conditions priming the accident", within the final sentence of the paragraph, is a misspelling of the word "little" as "liitle". This is a minor spelling correction, but noticeable.
Change this: Unknown to the operators, this positive feedback loop had liitle to restrain it, and the reactor became highly sensitive to void formation,[22]: 3, 14
To this: Unknown to the operators, this positive feedback loop had little to restrain it, and the reactor became highly sensitive to void formation,[22]: 3, 14 ~2026-68845-9 (talk) 21:26, 31 January 2026 (UTC)
- Done, thanks to VSredmash. MichaelMaggs (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2026 (UTC)
Weasel language/irrelevant “commentary”
"Commentators[according to whom?] have argued that the Chernobyl disaster was more likely to occur in a communist country than in a capitalist one.[259] Soviet power plant administrators were reportedly not empowered to make crucial decisions during the crisis.[260]"
This excerpt comes across as anti-intellectual. Firstly, the USSR was nowhere near communist in practice, so the entire thing is a nothing-burger to begin with. If the Nazi party called itself the Equal Rights party, we would not call Nazi Germany a bastion of equal rights.
Secondly, the reference for this excerpt is an article published by The Telegraph and written by… who, exactly? Not someone with any evident expertise, hardly even a "commentator" given that this is seemingly their only ever write-up. It is based in nothing but blind faith in a capitalist organization of the economy to the point of brown-nosing and provides no empirical, nor even any anecdotal evidence to back up its claim.
Courtega (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
- Eastern Block countries were ruled by Communist Parties and self-identified Communists, therefore they are routinely referred to as Communist countries in plain English. So-called capitalist countries also don't practice pure or ideal capitalism; virtually all have mixed economies.Sredmash (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
- No. You are wrong. If words and their meanings have any meaning to you, you do not use "communism" to describe the situation in English, and certainly not with a lowercase "c" as is done in this article.
- Have you actually read the reference? Any defense of its inclusion after even the briefest of glances is straight up disingenuous. The idea that Wikipedia should even entertain such propagandizing slop is bizarre. The primary issue was, and still is, having an elite class with a greater incentive to line their own pockets/protect their own interests than to ensure the well-being of their constituents. That's what happened in Chernobyl, that's what happened in Fukushima, and that's what continues to happen now. Negligence. USSR administration did not care about workers or the actual goals of socialism/communism. This excerpt is disgusting, a borderline exploitation of tragedy to push Western exceptionalism. Courtega (talk) 14:23, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed. It is a bit disheartening to see politics being snuck into a disaster of such magnitude when it is completely unnessesary. ~2026-25527-85 (talk) 04:04, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Chernobyl or chornobyl
which spelling should be used? ~2026-24990-37 (talk) 03:36, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-24990-37 I would go with Chornobyl myself, considering that it is how it's said in Ukrainian. It would also align with how several Ukrainian places have been renamed in English within the past few years to better reflect their Ukrainian identity. Young N' Brash (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
- Disagree - It wouldn't align with the fact that the disaster happened at the "Chernobyl" Nuclear Power Plant, and could be a violation of WP:NPOV Jaybainshetland (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- It’s extremely non-NPOV and offensive to only use and mention a colonial imposition, the Russian-based spelling of the place and events. The correct spelling is used by Canadian Press and CTV , the Guardian , CBC , Chernobyl Children International , the United Nations (A/RES/80/111, Art. 10) , the US Board on Geographic Names (for the place name, the abandoned zone, and the nature reserve) , Google Maps, OpenStreetMap , the national government , and the Chornobyl Center . The spelling is offered as alternative by Britannica , M-W , AHD , Collins , Wiktionary , and AP. ~2026-25535-72 (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- From Talk:Chernobyl/FAQ: While the standard transliteration of the city's name is Chornobyl, the name as used in the English language is overwhelmingly Chernobyl. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the latter should be used. Tbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 20:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- We even have WP:CHORNOBYL explaining "Do not use the standard Ukrainian transliterations, which are Chornobyl, Prypiat, Feodosiia and Yevpatoriia respectively, as this is not in common use" because people can't stop asking at Talk:Chernobyl the same questions that are literally visible there. Tbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 20:10, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- Not expressing an opinion on the issue, but I do want to point out to Jaybainshetland that even in the Soviet Union, the power plant had a huge sign on the ABK-1 building that said 'Chornobyl NPP' in Ukrainian. Not Russian.Sredmash (talk) 02:15, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- It’s not disputed that the Russian-derived spelling is widely used. But it is 1) controversial, 2) there is an alternative that is more acceptable with solid justification, and 3) the alternative is used for good reasons by many prominent sources on the subject. To exclusively promote colonial language that is unacceptable in certain contexts is not NPOV and a disservice to readers. The alternative is to be given in bold in the lead. ~2026-25575-30 (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- It’s extremely non-NPOV and offensive to only use and mention a colonial imposition, the Russian-based spelling of the place and events. The correct spelling is used by Canadian Press and CTV , the Guardian , CBC , Chernobyl Children International , the United Nations (A/RES/80/111, Art. 10) , the US Board on Geographic Names (for the place name, the abandoned zone, and the nature reserve) , Google Maps, OpenStreetMap , the national government , and the Chornobyl Center . The spelling is offered as alternative by Britannica , M-W , AHD , Collins , Wiktionary , and AP. ~2026-25535-72 (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- Disagree - It wouldn't align with the fact that the disaster happened at the "Chernobyl" Nuclear Power Plant, and could be a violation of WP:NPOV Jaybainshetland (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Reactor design flaws and sentence flaws
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Please amend
A design issue when attempting to shut down the reactor in those conditions resulted in a dramatic power surge.
as
When attempting to shut down the reactor in those conditions, its flawed design resulted in a dramatic power surge.
Reason: If I have understood the main text correctly, there were potentially several design problems, not just one. Also, the sentence is grammatically ambiguous: a design error is by definition a permanent feature, not conditional or temporary.~2026-24799-47 (talk) 07:25, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2026
The museum (that has been just destroyed) should be renamed
To any reviewers:
GA review
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Chernobyl disaster/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Wikipedian12512(alt) (talk · contribs) 01:42, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: Chao Garden (talk · contribs) 17:41, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
Review
To start, I really appreciate MicahelMaggs comments below (see: Special:Diff/1359005324). He has previously done substantial revisions & source reviews for this article, and I think it's pretty telling that he had concerns about the state of this article's sourcing prior to this GA nomination.
To @Wikipedian12512 / @Wikipedian12512(alt) (sorry, I'm tagging both accounts to be thorough, because you edited with both, nominated with the "(alt)" one, and responded from your main account) — Authorship at the time of GA nomination notwithstanding (context: Special:Diff/1358896126), after the many revisions you made in the past ~48 hours: additional sourcing issues have been introduced. I appreciate the WP:GOODFAITH effort you put into trying to address missing citations, but we need to evaluate these revisions.
Of the {{cn}} tags that were replaced with new sources in the past ~48 hours, I found 4 that failed verification:
| # | Nominator's revision | Failed verification | Failure reason |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Special:Diff/1359032002 | Special:Diff/1359189018 | Figures for Reactor no.4 stating "1,661 individual fuel channels" and "45 million litres of coolant per hour" are not reflected in this source. Source says the "coolant flow" / "re-circulation flow rote" is 42,000 t/h (tonnes per hour). So the mass measurement (tonnes) in source differs from volume measurement (litres) here. |
| 2 | Special:Diff/1358776506 | Special:Diff/1359168035 | Source is not about site cleanup & construction of the sarcophagus in the months immediately after the disaster. Rather, this source is about the health and socio-economic consequences of the disaster, as assessed almost 20 years later, around 2003-2005. |
| 3 | Special:Diff/1358788339 | Special:Diff/1359130270 | Source does not mention the IPHECA, nor does it mention $20 million in funding or Japan. |
| 4 | Special:Diff/1358918837 | Special:Diff/1359027239 | Source is about recovery efforts (as of 2019) in Belarus, specifically. It does not cover CRDP's work in any affected areas in Ukraine. It also does not specifically mention recommendations from Human Consequences of the Chernobyl Nuclear Accident report. |
Other issues I noticed from recent changes:
- Photo blog (?) cited Special:Diff/1358797370 (I tagged as a possible self-published source)
- The {{better source needed}} tags were removed Special:Diff/1358775776 without much explanation. (Note: the tags were added by a user who is now banned, so I couldn't ask them why the tags were added in the first place.)
- I added additional {{cn}} tags for mission citations: Special:Diff/1359096082
I will be failing this nomination (which the nominator also requested here: Special:Diff/1359227111). And I think that the source integrity issues need to be addressed.
FYI @Reconrabbit
Thank you — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 01:16, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
Review on hold
I will put this review on hold for now. (See discussion below.) However, I question why the article was nominated for GA when there are so many drastic changes happening to it + planned for it, by someone who doesn't have an established history with the article. In my opinion, it would have been better to resolve content questions, with collaboration with some of the top editors of this article, before nominating this article for GA. cc: @Wikipedian12512: — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 22:10, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Feel free to fail it; I’ll need more than a week. In solidarity Wikipedian12512 (Talking is fine | contribs) 23:41, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
Initial questions
@Wikipedian12512: it doesn't look like you meet the requirements as a "significant" contributor to this article. Based on the edit statistics, you are ranked #30 on the list of editors by contribution. Your contributions currently total 0.6% of the article, and you've made 6 edits to the page (compared to 12k total edits on the page, or compared to 1.3k total edits from the top 10 editors). See authorship stats here.
Requirements for GA nominations states:
Nominators should be familiar with the article's subject and cited sources, and must have contributed significantly to the article: they are either the author of at least 10% of the article, or are ranked in the top five in authorship.
(Source: Wikipedia:Good_article_instructions
The reason this requirement exists is to ensure that the nominator is knowledgeable of both the subject-matter and the sources used in the article.
Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 17:41, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- There are also 12 {{citation needed}} tags throughout the article, as of the current revision: Special:Diff/1358859332
- The GA criteria states that a nomination is an "immediate failure" if the article has maintenance tags: It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags (See also {{QF}}). (See: Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria#Immediate failures) — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 17:59, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Chao Garden, I added those just after the nomination was made to save any potential reviewer the trouble of putting those in themselves. Wikipedian wasn't immediately aware of them and I'd like to give some time to address this problem as they're a first time reviewer. I know I ran into similar problems in my first nominations. I think the more pressing issue is the current merge discussion which has been open since March. I'd be willing to help out with that on a later date. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oh thank you @Reconrabbit, I didn't check when the CN tags were added, that's my mistake. I'll wait for the nominator to respond & make revisions.
- But also, what's your take on the authorship stats in my first comment? (Although authorship percentage & edit count would go up when addressing the CN tags, it would still need to go up quite a bit to meet that 10% / top five editor threshold?) — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 19:33, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- I would like to see more, but it is difficult to judge without hearing anything from Wikipedian12512 how familiar they are with the text and the sources. This is a very large article and having more authorship would be very difficult. It wouldn't be undue to ask contributors like @MichaelMaggs or @Chris Capoccia what they think. I noticed an "unreliable source" tag also in the text relating to Grigori Medvedev's book, which is derided among some people familiar with the history of the disaster but otherwise effusively praised in reviews. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Just found this, sorry for the wait.
- I’m cutting down part of the article, which isn’t really doing wonders for the authorship score. I think it goes by the sum of the edits, which means that the fact that I’ve started to do some removal to account for the consensus to merge isn’t doing wonders for my “score”.
- I’m also taking a few editorial decisions (well informed) about whether tags are necessary.
- I don’t think that, after the merge-cut down is done, I will be able to reasonably get that number up enough (assuming that’s how the number works) to get that amount. I think I’m reasonably well acquainted with the sources (if you have an issue with any particular one, I’m able to find a different one for that, although it’s hard to do that for every one.
- If you have any follow up questions, I will be happy to answer them. In solidarity Wikipedian12512 (Talking is fine | contribs) 20:19, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the mention. I can't pretend to be highly familiar with the sources for this article; my involvement was largely to dig into them just enough to sort out some of the most confused and incomprehensible parts of the technical descriptions. I came away with the strong impression that the technical aspects have been summarised by an editor who has done their best to extract wording from the sources, but without much understanding of what is happening at the physics and engineering level. These aspects are pretty crucial, and I'd be uncomfortable with this article being submitted for GA status without it being vetted quite closely by a competent technical editor. What looks impressive at first sight has a tendency to be obscured by misunderstandings. Although the work would be interesting, and perhaps something I could conceivably tackle later, I am afraid I have too much on to put in the required effort just at the moment. MichaelMaggs (talk) 12:41, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- I would like to see more, but it is difficult to judge without hearing anything from Wikipedian12512 how familiar they are with the text and the sources. This is a very large article and having more authorship would be very difficult. It wouldn't be undue to ask contributors like @MichaelMaggs or @Chris Capoccia what they think. I noticed an "unreliable source" tag also in the text relating to Grigori Medvedev's book, which is derided among some people familiar with the history of the disaster but otherwise effusively praised in reviews. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- I went through all of those before nominating, hence my comment on the thing about EARWIG. I think we can ignore those three “problems” because they share long quotes and common phrases (I can’t remember right now, but something like “the Chernobyl disaster” and “the Chernobyl disaster caused”). In solidarity Wikipedian12512 (Talking is fine | contribs) 20:59, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Chao Garden, I added those just after the nomination was made to save any potential reviewer the trouble of putting those in themselves. Wikipedian wasn't immediately aware of them and I'd like to give some time to address this problem as they're a first time reviewer. I know I ran into similar problems in my first nominations. I think the more pressing issue is the current merge discussion which has been open since March. I'd be willing to help out with that on a later date. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
