Talk:Kayli Mills

Kayli Millis no longer uses They/Them pronouns on her official VA profile on her website, [source: https://www.kaylimillsva.com/ ] Is it appropriate to continue stating her past pronoun usage, if she no longer wishes to professionally associate herself with this?

It would be callous to potentially harm her current business prospects by stating her identification as non-binary when the person in question deems it to risky to share publicly on her work bio. 150.129.164.190 (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

On that site, it does not say that she no longer is okay with they/them pronouns; in fact, the fourth through seventh paragraphs still refer to her at least once using they/them pronouns. If she somehow indicates that she is explicitly not okay with they/them pronouns, we can update the article, but for now we have no indication that is the case. Link20XX (talk) 00:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm a bit concerned about the inclusion of Mills' involvement in the SAG-AFTRA strike as I can see it turning into an edit war. I am also concerned about Seanlaraway misrepresenting the sources by rewriting information skewing towards a particular point of view, which brings up issues about conflict of interest. I have undone Seanlaraway's edits as a result. lullabying (talk) 22:51, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not a conflict of interest because I do not know any of the individuals personally. The facts I put into the article were taken straight from the words of voice actors. Whereas your article is filled with misinformation from anti-union astroturfing. Everything I put in was correct. Seanlaraway (talk) 23:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

What was rewritten by you were not what the listed sources say. It's important to not misrepresent the articles listed as sources. If you can find reliable sources discussing what the voice actors say, feel free to share them. However, because you are a voice actor with possible professional ties to the United States voice acting industry, I will say there is a conflict of interest as there can be bias. lullabying (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Bud, the person or people who wrote the original article have a clear bias against Kayli and Corina! I have an entire catalogue of sources here.

I have no professional ties to the industry of me typing this out. The Genshin Impact "fans" are the ones with the bias. They have spouted anti-union astroturfing. Jacob knew, just because he lived in Japan doesn't mean he is not a scab. Seanlaraway (talk) 23:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I am a voice actor. Which means unlike redditors I aactually have experience and am a trusted source. The professional voice actors have debunked everything claimed in the article. It is clearly biased in favor of Jacob and against Kayli and Corina. Seanlaraway (talk) 00:07, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

We cant do OR Juju376 (talk) 08:25, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

>Jacob knew, just because he lived in Japan doesn't mean he is not a scab.[citation needed]

"dude trust me" is NOT a trusted source.

Please don't spread misinformation especially if you have no intention of elaborating it.

>The professional voice actors have debunked everything claimed in the article.

Who are these "professional voice actors" were you talking about? Every single one of you have different answers to the same question. Even Joe Zieja and some VAs would agree that Jacob is not a scab >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyW1pzJCnek Pai a mon (talk) 05:32, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Not only is "dude trust me" not a trusted source, but wikipedia also doesnt allow original research. Juju376 (talk) 08:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Just because someone lives in a different country. Doesn't mean that stealing a striking worker's job isn't scabbing. Lots of companies during a strike would try to outsource striking jobs overseas. https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2024/09/02/how-organized-labor-shames-its-traitors-%E2%88%92-the-story-of-the-scab/

My sources:

https://www.thelocal.se/20240507/swedish-union-slams-tesla-for-bringing-in-foreign-strike-breakers.

https://unioncoded.com/what-is-a-scab-understanding-the-role-and-impact/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikebreaker

If you're going to use Tweets for this. Then also use Bluesky from real actors not even in Genshin debunking this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingunjerk/comments/1l8i993/info_on_the_sag_strike_mostly_from_voice_actors/

The actors went on strike for AI protections. But they wanted different solutions. Some union and some non-union. Kayi would've came back if Hoyo would've just signed the NAVA rider. A non-union agreement. Seanlaraway (talk) 15:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

What strike? Where is your source that says that Genshin was a struck project? Where is the official announcement that Hoyo was struck? None? See, you are the one who keep spreading misinformation. It's just collective and unorganized work refusal. Pai a mon (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Literally from VICE calling it A STRIKE https://www.vice.com/en/article/genshin-impact-voice-actors-still-striking-against-hoyoverse-despite-sag-aftra-strike-ending/

It's not a sag strike. It's a non-union strike. An individual strike.

https://labornotes.org/2022/12/no-union-you-still-have-right-strike Seanlaraway (talk) 16:02, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Recast announcement: end of March 2025

Vice article: June 13 2025

Are you telling me that Jacob is a time traveler? Pai a mon (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

The hell are you talking about? If VICE makes an article calling it a strike then you should call it a strike. Jacob wasn't even mentioned in the vice article. Seanlaraway (talk) 16:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

People(Kayli, Corina, etc) started calling Jacob a scab long before that Vice article though. Pai a mon (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

If a VICE article is out now calling it a strike then it should be updated/referred to it now as a strike.

You clearly have a bias, you've been moving the goalpost and your username is clearly a reference to Paimon. The Genshin Impact character. If I have a conflict on interest then so do you.

https://nevadacurrent.com/2024/09/02/how-organized-labor-shames-its-traitors-%E2%88%92-the-story-of-the-scab/ Seanlaraway (talk) 16:35, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Literally my first post in this thread

>>Jacob knew, just because he lived in Japan doesn't mean he is not a scab.[citation needed]

What goalpost has been moved?

Also Conflict of interest have nothing to do with random people picking up random username. Pai a mon (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Uh huh sure. Random username. That happens to be a reference to the Genshin character Paimon? Whose VA you brought up?

I literally debunked your claim yet you kept moving the goalpost.

Again my real source says that workers in other countries taking jobs from striking workers is still scabbing: https://www.thelocal.se/20240507/swedish-union-slams-tesla-for-bringing-in-foreign-strike-breakers

And considering the original article used twitter. It conveniently left out posts that identified him as a white man from Texas who followed voice actors on social media and was alleged to have been warned by voice actors before taking the role.

So making a an article that was clearly biased for Jacob is factually incorrect. Especially when you Jacob defenders refuse to accept any NEW piece of information that proves your "claims" wrong. Seanlaraway (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

At this point we are just arguing about personal identity and speculation. Pai a mon (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

So far there is nothing reported on whether Takanashi knew about the strike and it's just an assumption of "he said, she said." Let's leave that out of the conversation. Also, @Seanlaraway: see WP:COI. Conflict of interest on Wikipedia means that people who have personal/professional connections to people, companies, or the general industry should not edit Wikipedia articles directly and must disclose their connections. They must put the template WP:DISCLOSE on their user page to do so. lullabying (talk) 18:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Currently the only confirmation that is not an assumption was from voice actor Nathan Nokes, Jacob was not aware of the strike >https://x.com/NathanNokesvo/status/1905291758960771515 Pai a mon (talk) 23:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Nathan alleges that. It cannot be used as confirmation. A lot of voice actors who knew Jacob and worked with him debunked this:

https://bsky.app/profile/littlekuriboh.bsky.social/post/3llff72niuc2b Seanlaraway (talk) 00:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

This isn't a debunk than a statement of inference. You can assume he is lying but without proof this statement is meaningless. Bamgm14 (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Except there is proof, but you don’t want to bother looking for it, because it would ruin your bias. 2605:8D80:662:6DC0:3C82:7D5F:13A:90C8 (talk) 16:41, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Oh and btw. Just because the public at large didn't know about a strike. Doesn't mean it still isn't a strike. Just because there is no announcement doesn't invalidate a strike from existing.

Jacob Takanashi is a scab. Seanlaraway (talk) 19:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Seanlaraway and Pai a mon, you both need to remember that Wikipedia is not a forum and that talk pages must be used for discussing the article, not their subjects, which I fear both of you have forgotten. Not to mention that this is the talk page for Kayli Mills, so all discussions here must be relevant to this article, of which this discussion is clearly not. If either of you has any suggestions for editing the article, please state it, but otherwise this is not the right venue for this discussion. Both of your social media sources (Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, Bluesky) are also not able to be used for statements about other people per WP:ABOUTSELF and personal attacks like calling someone a "scab" are certainly not appropriate. Please take some time to cool off. Link20XX (talk) 00:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Really showing bias here. Scab is an insult, not somebody stealing work? 2605:8D80:6C20:BAEB:B597:F18A:1892:C6A2 (talk) 03:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

From Merriam Webster:

Scab

(1)

a worker who refuses to join a labor union

(2)

a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended

(3)

a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike

(4)

one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Scab is not an insult, it’s a statement of fact. The fact that you’re taking it as one is telling of how this viewpoint leads. 2605:8D80:663:7021:9D60:D19C:8EB6:D4DA (talk) 04:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I think it is important to point out ONLY Merriam Webster has point 4 as part of the definition for scab and it is just nonsense. Also point 1 is only found in a single other source and comes across as a derogatory term for non union workers. Points 2 and 3 are the common nomenclature for the term.

Additionally the term strike implies an official union action. HoYoverse was never struck by SAG-AFTRA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%93present_SAG-AFTRA_video_game_strike, thus it was either a wildcat strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_strike, or a "work stoppage" as HoYoverse is non union.

Either way, the common usage of scab cannot apply in this case. 142.167.154.148 (talk) 11:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

If you think that it is “derogatory” in any way, that is very telling. 2605:8D80:663:7FD1:F4FD:C6F6:992E:DC30 (talk) 15:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

In this case, I felt Sean Laraway was using "scab" as an insult, which would violate WP:NPA. The only bias I have is towards Wikipedia's policies and to make sure they're followed, which I have both called out Sean Laraway for personal attacks and supported removing the section from the article altogether. Anyways, this discussion is getting off topic; we're here to discuss Kayli Mills' article. Link20XX (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I love how you lie and say that the VA is personally attacking people, while trying to censor the conversation by using the “off topic” defense.

There is clear bias here… 2605:8D80:663:7FD1:F4FD:C6F6:992E:DC30 (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have no opinion on WP:COI issues, but one thing I feel comfortable with saying is that section should be removed or at least completely re-written. For one, it mostly cites Twitter and editorializes using the primary sources that the controversy caused her to get recast. The primary sources do not link these events and the Tweets cannot be used as a source relating to other individuals per WP:ABOUTSELF; on that note, I think this section's use of Tweets as sources runs afoul of that guideline. Additionally, this section cites Sportskeeda, which is not a reliable source (see WP:RSP) and should be removed immediately. The only decent source is this Vice article, that isn't really about Mills at all and certainly doesn't support giving this section the weight of an entire section. Finally, since this article is a WP:BLP, we must be strict and careful in our interpretation of the relevant guidelines, which I believe this section is not. Link20XX (talk) 00:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I apologize. I think it would have been better to reach out and ask for this section to be deleted than to edit it. Everything written was clearly biased toward Jacob using only Twitter for "sources". It was written as though it were from someone with a clear bias against Kayli. I do not know her personally. I have seen YouTubers and fans share this page that has lead to more harassment against Kayli and Corina. It does not accurately portray the situation. Since SAG-AFTRA was not striking Hoyoverse it cannot be called a SAG-AFTRA controversy. Seanlaraway (talk) 00:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I will go ahead and remove the section on Mills' article; however, my concerns remain about the edits on 2024–present SAG-AFTRA video game strike. However, that discussion should go on its respective talk page. lullabying (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Dude stop trying to manipulate the narrative you're trying to manipulate this wiki dude you already lost the moment you attacked people and called Jacob a scab was over for you and no people are not anti Union people are allowed to criticize sag-aftra if you don't like it then go somewhere else but stop trying to manipulate a wiki page you've been exposed accept your L 2601:247:8200:4350:D225:A30:95AA:789F (talk) 06:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I would like to remind you that talk pages are not a forum and should only be used to discuss the article, not its subject. Also, personal attacks like this are not acceptable. Link20XX (talk) 14:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Are these acceptable sources?

https://www.techopse.com/hoyoverse-once-again-replaces-striking-english-voice-actors-with-zenless-zone-zero-1-7-update/

https://www.gosugamers.net/news/75714-keqing-s-english-voice-actor-releases-statement-amidst-genshin-impact-recast Pai a mon (talk) 10:27, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Gosu Gamers is considered to be an unreliable source per WP:VGRS. For the other one, I would say it's unreliable as well since we don't know who is writing it (no author is provided) and it seems to look like a blog. Many of its articles have sensationalized headlines and text too, which leads me to believe that this is also not a reliable source. Link20XX (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Screen this article for reliability, please. https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/diabolical-genshin-impacts-english-cast-gives-new-vo-the-cold-shoulder-after-he-frames-replacing-a-striking-actor-as-an-opportunity-to-carry-the-flame/ TNMPChannel (talk) 04:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

PC Gamer is considered to be a reliable source per WP:VGRS. That being said, the article only briefly mentions Mills (not even a full paragraph is about her), so it doesn't establish the due weight needed to mention it here. Link20XX (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

So you are saying Twitter posts are not representable source. For her remarks of attacking another voice actor. Throughout the sag-after video game strike. But yet her Twitter post about being a abuse survivor is a reliable source. I just think that's kind of contradictory. Lpfchamp (talk) 21:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for registering an account (I assume you are the various IP addresses). Our guideline for using Twitter (or any other social media platform) as a source is WP:ABOUTSELF, which states such sources can be used if: the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; it does not involve claims about third parties; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and the article is not based primarily on such sources. In the way Tweets were used in the now-removed section, it violated both the second and third points since it focused on both other individuals and events not directly related to the subject (in this case, Mills). The section as a whole also violated point five because it was primarily sourced from these Twitter posts.

On the other hand, the abuse post does not violate any of those points; it is not a particularly exceptional claim, is not about any particular third party, it is related to Mills, there's no reasonable doubt that it's real (or at least evidence that it's fake hasn't been presented), and this is just one source, so it doesn't make the article primarily use such sources. Link20XX (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

No, I am not. I made a account just because I didn't want my IP out there. I have been kind of falling along the strike, not too much, I came because I heard that there was an editing war happening here. I just wanted to see. That I saw the remarks about her social media post about the abuse. Then I read everything here, and it seemed contradictory to me. And thank you for clarifying it a litter more for me. Lpfchamp (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Happy to explain our policies and my interpretations of them! If you want to stick around, you're free to help discuss this article and edit the page about the strike itself. This page is currently semi-protected, so it cannot be edit by new users until the protection expires in a few days. Link20XX (talk) 22:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I am curious, is https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/genshin-impact-kinich-va-controversy-all-voice-actors-involved a valid citation? Bamgm14 (talk) 22:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Sportskeeda is considered to be an unreliable source; see WP:SPORTSKEEDA. Link20XX (talk) 22:31, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

https://www.indiatodaygaming.com/amp/news/story/keqing-voice-artist-just-apologised-and-its-not-a-good-look-8355

Would India Today be a good source. It seems to be in the list of sources but the Gaming Section doesn't seem to be in it Bamgm14 (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough Bamgm14 (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Responded below. Apologies for missing it here. Link20XX (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/oS1Rd7owQB

This will not be the only new account. Someone involved is screenshotting and posting this Talk page as an attack towards the user who brought it up on a relatively big subreddit and there's a nonzero chance this page or others related to the strike will be flooded with members of that fandom and subreddit looking for an enemy to vanquish. TAOF610 (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

At this point, i'd be in favour of deleting Kayli mills Wikipedia page. She doesn't need one, same as Sean Laraway or Corina Boettger 2A00:FDE0:1682:3C00:995B:7EDA:5348:993F (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

That is objectively wrong. They are well known figures Bamgm14 (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Who? Sean Laraway isn't. He hasnt worked a single VA job. And Corina doesn't have a wikipedia page. So... deleting Kayli Mills and avoiding the drama and nonsense seems like the best option.

Do the corina approach: she's only mentioned on the Paimon Character page.

Wikipedia is a serious website. This nonsense doesn't belong here. 2A00:FDE0:1682:3C00:995B:7EDA:5348:993F (talk) 22:42, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I think deleting a page removes public information, ignoring personal beliefs, Kayli is a well complished actor, having many pretty important roles. Therefore they should be reserved. A behaviour on a single timeframe does not an individual make Bamgm14 (talk) 22:46, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't create or delete articles because of their subject's actions, hence why we still have articles on people like Vic Mignogna, Johnny Kitagawa, Masahiro Nakai, and many more. What determines when we create articles is notability, or in this case WP:NACTOR, which this person has been found to meet. Other individuals may not or perhaps they do meet it and no one has written an article for them. In any case, it is not based on the subject's behavior or controversy they have caused. Link20XX (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Sean Laraway does not have a Wikipedia page in the first place, so I'm not sure why this is brought up. If you want to open a discussion for whether Kayli Mills should have a Wikipedia page, you may open up a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, but seeing as she's had a lot of prominent roles in dubbing, deleting it is probably unlikely. lullabying (talk) 00:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia will be fine but yea, if people get overly excessive might be an idea to lockdown the page for bit extra time. The people that maintain the page are doing it for free and therefore need respect for their decisions Bamgm14 (talk) 22:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

fully agree o that, regardless of what will happen to the site or the section, it might be best to lockdown first. My1 22:46, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

It's technically already locked down so for now it would be jumped on Bamgm14 (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Won't* Bamgm14 (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

This article has been semi-protected for three days, so no new users can edit it during that time. If additional protection is necessary, it will be done. Link20XX (talk) 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Can I get verification on https://www.indiatodaygaming.com/amp/news/story/keqing-voice-artist-just-apologised-and-its-not-a-good-look-8355 as a source due to being from susidary India Today? Bamgm14 (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Also, If I wish to propose how the article could be written given the present protected state, how do I do that? Bamgm14 (talk) 22:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

India Today (the magazine) is often considered to be a reliable source, but the web counterpart has typically been viewed with more skepticism. Plus, they don't cite the authors who write their articles, so considering that this is a BLP, I would say that shouldn't be used as a source. For controversial claims, we need high quality reliable sources.

If you wish to make an edit request, see WP:EDITREQ. Link20XX (talk) 23:05, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Author is at the bottom of the page: "Written By: Sarah Dar (Writing Intern, India Today Gaming)"

As for the online skeptisism, is there a particular reason for the difference between online and physical? Bamgm14 (talk) 23:29, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Apologies that I missed the credit, though that the article was written by an intern rather than a staff member hurts, though not eliminates, its reliability. That being said, editors have expressed in the past that the website has less editorial control and is thus less reliable (see this discussion where it was addressed for one example). For non-controvertial claims, I wouldn't have a problem with this as a source, but for an extremely controversial claim about a living person we need high-quality reliable sources, a high bar that I am not convinced it meets. Link20XX (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure if something is controversal when the person does it publically. I think the only thing that should not be mentioned is her intention. I was thinking something along the lines of "She made comments against another Voice Actor being critical however many assumed them to be a form of harassment to which she has later apologized" or something in that vein. This is a mix of public statements and the article (since it's just a quotation on her statements) Bamgm14 (talk) 23:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I openly admit I don't actively edit pages so I am not so active with the rules but I assume this would fall inline? Bamgm14 (talk) 00:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

A controversial claim is a controversial claim, whether it was done publicly or not; plus, all the attention this thread is getting off-site makes it pretty clear that this is certainly not uncontroversial. Mentioning her statement and apology would not violate any policies if done in a neutral way, but it may not be due weight to mention it. Generally, controversies like this are only mentioned when they have a major impact on their career, but I am not sure that is the case. There is speculation that it lead to her role being recast, but as far as I know, no reliable source makes that connection, so we cannot either. Link20XX (talk) 00:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough, I think that is a fair take away. I suppose until any new evidence is set, or this situation has a tangible effect on her career it would not follow the due weight clause. Thanks for the points Bamgm14 (talk) 00:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Apologies but I need to ask, given Kayli Mills being directly mentioned in wikipedia articles about the strike (link). Why would it be "due weight"? Bamgm14 (talk) 01:57, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Link20XX Sorry to ping Bamgm14 (talk) 02:16, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:DUE is a policy that says that not everything about a topic should be mentioned, even if it can be sourced. If something is not "due weight", it's not mentioned (see that page for examples). But anyway, whether its due for it to be mentioned on another article is to be discussed on that article's talk page; after all, it's possible information could be due weight to one topic but not another. I hope this answers your question. Link20XX (talk) 02:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, I think it does give weight but I guess its at gray zone since an arguement could be made that this was serious enough to stretch the internet yet due to lack of discussion from sources reliable from Wikipedia point of view. Interesting issue. Bamgm14 (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Given the above mention that this talk page discussion is being discussed on reddit, I'm going to flag a few policies & resources that haven't been mentioned:

• Canvassing: refers to notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way, and is considered inappropriate. This is because it compromises the normal consensus decision-making process, and therefore is generally considered disruptive behavior. [...] Because it is less transparent than on-wiki notifications, the use of email, IRC, Discord, or other off-wiki communication to notify editors is strongly discouraged unless there is a significant reason for not using talk page notifications.
• WP:BLPCOI: Wikipedia articles concerning living persons may include material—where relevant, properly weighted, and reliably sourced—about controversies or disputes in which the article subject has been involved. [...] An editor who is involved in a significant controversy or dispute with another individual—whether on- or off-wiki—or who is an avowed rival of that individual, should not edit that person's biography or other material about that person, given the potential conflict of interest. More generally, editors who have a strongly negative or positive view of the subject of a biographical article should be especially careful to edit that article neutrally, if they choose to edit it at all.
• To get started when considering what sources to use, check out both WP:BLPSOURCES & Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. WP:GAMESOURCES is also useful but anything considered controversial about a living person is going to be held to a higher standard in terms of source quality.

Additionally, Wikipedia:Teahouse is a great resource for newer editors if you have questions about editing. Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Cheers :) While not new, I haven't been active nor have I done editing for long so will be nice Bamgm14 (talk) 01:37, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

What i'm a little concerned about is the last line in the Biography section, citation 7. Source is twitter and to be fair, doesn't seem relevan't information but an attempt by whoever added that to get pity points, yet deleting all the information about her harrassment and comentary on a coworker's economy. In spite of that being well documented on Twitter/blueSky too. Noone124 (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Why it could be argued to try and get sympathy, assuming she speaking honestly, is related to her and I think it is fair to put it into the page? I am not as experienced as @Link20XX so I can't make a judgement call and would defer Bamgm14 (talk) 01:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I usually don't put any stock into this type of argument. Just mentioning one sympathic thing doesn't mean we're trying to get her pity. Link20XX (talk) 02:04, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Exactly what bias are you talking about, Sean is more an expert about this strike than any internet source right now. 2607:FEA8:6C40:3AA0:2CAC:C97C:6DF6:67FC (talk) 04:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I reverted Seanlaraway's edits because of conflict of interest. People who have personal/professional connections to the subject are discouraged from editing articles related to the subject. In this case, Seanlaraway should not be editing any article related to the people he knows or any events about the United States voice acting industry. lullabying (talk) 04:53, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

The impression I’m getting is less “conflict of interest” and more about personal bias. 2605:8D80:661:9518:A94F:E869:F27:CEE8 (talk) 04:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There was also misrepresenting a source, but since the source is not reliable anyway per WP:SPORTSKEEDA, we had the section removed for now. lullabying (talk) 05:24, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Ok, now it really is sounding like personal bias… 2605:8D80:6A21:2003:D021:BF01:5C79:748C (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

If you have a third-party reliable source vetted by WP:VG/RS and WP:RSP, feel free to include them. However, we cannot accept Seanlaraway as a source due to WP:COI and WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (this goes for every other voice actor involved as well). lullabying (talk) 05:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

All this situation has done is just further the fuel for alt right youtubers like Hero Hei. The treatment you have been giving VAs like Sean will only cause more harm than good. 2605:8D80:6C22:8287:A9C5:7F7F:B23E:98FE (talk) 05:53, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Just because they can look at this page just like you and can be flabbergasted about Sean Laraway trying to scrub Kayli Mills' page to make it look like she's an angel and the conduct of SAG-AFTRA members against non-union actors doesn't make him alt-right. Stop using this page to try and spread your own propaganda. In fact, stop trying to litigate the issue on this talk page. 218.212.80.79 (talk) 07:11, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

This discussion is getting off-topic. Remember to be civil and that this is a page about how to improve Kayli Mills' Wikipedia article. lullabying (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Trying to get back on topic, can we add the controversy info back to the article now? QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 17:27, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

No, because we still don't have any high-quality reliable secondary sources that give this enough spotlight to make it due an entire section. Link20XX (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Spoken like a true hero hei shill. 2605:8D80:663:7FD1:F4FD:C6F6:992E:DC30 (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I know you aren't happy about the situation, but please remember to be civil and that this page is about improving the article. I really think you should take some time off from this discussion and read WP:COI and WP:PRIMARYSOURCES regarding Seanlaraway's involvement. These policies have been in effect on Wikipedia for at least a decade to ensure that articles are factual and maintain neutrality. Regardless, Mills' involvement in the SAG-AFTRA strike has been removed from this page due to undue weight and lack of reliable secondary sources. lullabying (talk) 19:09, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Interesting you reply to be with the “be civil” and not the guy with a clear anti-union bias. Interesting. 2605:8D80:667:1632:F498:ED41:9548:B2B6 (talk) 19:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

me* rather 2605:8D80:667:1632:F498:ED41:9548:B2B6 (talk) 19:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I replied to both of you; the other person was warned hours before I warned you. lullabying (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Opbf2ZZrppI&pp=ygUIaGVybyBoZWnSBwkJwwkBhyohjO8%3D

The point still stands, due to your bias against VAs, misinformation videos like this are being created. 2605:8D80:666:88F6:28DA:9E64:8DA1:EAAD (talk) 19:27, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Mills' involvement in the strike has been removed from her page and it will probably stay that way for now. I'm not sure how this shows bias. If your concerns are about Seanlaraway, I will just quote some of Wikipedia's policies, which have been effect for decades.

WP:EXTERNALREL states: Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)—can trigger a COI. [...] For example, an article about a band should not be written by the band's manager, and a biography should not be an autobiography or written by the subject's spouse. There can be a COI when writing on behalf of a competitor or opponent of the page subject, just as there is when writing on behalf of the page subject.

WP:COI states: Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. Any external relationship can trigger a conflict of interest. Someone having a conflict of interest is a description of a situation, not a judgment about that person's opinions, integrity, or good faith. COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It undermines public confidence and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals and companies being promoted.

As previously stated, because Seanlaraway is a voice actor in the voice acting industry, he is discouraged from editing this article. Any information that he provides needs to be through a vetted secondary source. We will happily include it then. I'm not very thrilled about how much attention this discussion is getting off-site, but we cannot control the reactions of other people. lullabying (talk) 19:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I mean, you can control at least an aspect of it. Because currently, this action makes this site unreliable for information, and serves misinformation spread on sites like youtube. 2605:8D80:6A26:C4DA:4DFD:206B:79BE:33BE (talk) 19:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

How is removing an unreliable source personal bias? How is upholding rules regarding conflict of interest also personal bias? Jebronlames16 (talk) 07:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

The actions of whoever is running this wikipedia page runs similar to a group of misinformers on youtube. It’s quite obvious bias. 2605:8D80:662:ABB5:BE:8C61:CF75:C843 (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

You would need to cite proof to make that statement. He has been pretty fair and only reverted edits specifically to bias by poster. Bamgm14 (talk) 08:08, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Oh hey, it’s Both Sides Bam. Good to see you again! 2605:8D80:663:7FD1:F4FD:C6F6:992E:DC30 (talk) 15:52, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Not quite sure where you're getting the "personal bias" part in their reply. They clearly stated the definition of WP:Conflict of interest, as well as how it applied to Seanlaraway. There is no personal bias here, there are only facts. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Trusting the opinions of random internet people over a professional is a clear bias. 2605:8D80:662:ABB5:BE:8C61:CF75:C843 (talk) 17:57, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Laraway is just a random guy. He has no attributed VA role. He just keeps spamming on all social networks and wikipages he can in favour of his crush, Kayli Mills. Definitely Bias/COI. He shouldn't be editing the wikipedia. 2A00:FDE0:1682:3C00:CAA:FF26:3A3E:979A (talk) 11:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Nice biased take there. 2605:8D80:663:7FD1:F4FD:C6F6:992E:DC30 (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Well said. He simply is trying to whitewash Ms. Mills through anywhere he goes, even outside Wikipedia. The problem is that there isn’t enough secondary source coverage to make a reliable documentation of the harassment involving strike. TNMPChannel (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

You mean with how Hoyoverse fans have been harassing and tossing death threats at VAs, right? 2605:8D80:662:ABB5:BE:8C61:CF75:C843 (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Well said. 2605:8D80:6A26:C4DA:4DFD:206B:79BE:33BE (talk) 20:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Is there any opposition to WP:HATTING this discussion or at least the off-topic parts? Because this discussion has gone so far off topic at this point that I don't think there's any value in leaving it open. Link20XX (talk) 20:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

So, instead of saying anything in defence, you just want to censor the conversation? 2605:8D80:6A2A:3A35:F441:42A7:3567:B397 (talk) 20:08, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Please assume WP:GOODFAITH and remember to keep in mind WP:TALKPOV. I have no intention censor anything. Hatting is common when discussions become off topic, which has clearly happened (this is very clearly not about Mills anymore); see WP:TALKOFFTOPIC for more details, but this is a common practice. Wikipedia is not a forum for open discussion but a collaborative encyclopedia. Link20XX (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

+1 on hatting since this discussion has drifted into WP:NOTFORUM territory instead of focusing on the article's topic. If anyone has reliable sources, they can start a new discussion. Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Agree on hatting. lullabying (talk) 20:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

In 2025 she and some other voice actors harassed Jacob Takanashi who was taking up the role of Kinich in Genshin Impact while they were all taking part of the SAG-AFTRA strike, leading backlash within the fanbase with her and those other voice actors losing the faith of their fans. The incident occurred when Jacob posted on Twitter about him receiving the role after the old voice actor joined the SAG work refusal.|

Put this back up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:E890:2400:79FD:6EA2:4121:33DF (talk) 02:04, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done See above. Link20XX (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Will you stop. Nobody harassed anyone except for you. 2605:8D80:6C20:BAEB:41DB:5D04:4B30:969F (talk) 04:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

“harassed” 2605:8D80:667:1632:F498:ED41:9548:B2B6 (talk) 19:15, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Did you ask Kayli that? 2001:56A:E890:2400:990B:3B51:B259:B467 (talk) 03:29, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Okay I am here to discuss about the Kinich recasting drama. I was thinking about that should we added it back in? Through we need to make it more accurate info of the situation because at somepoint we can't hide it forever. This is a serious drama but we need to please both sides of the story.CrusaderToonamiUK (talk) 12:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

It was agreed in the previous discussions that this section was not added in because there were not enough reliable secondary sources (verifiable by WP:VG/RS) that covered the topic. Also, Wikipedia is not a place to document "drama." lullabying (talk) 19:03, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

For something controversial, we need several high quality sources which are held to the standards of a WP:BOLP article which are higher than the standard for a video game or company article. The section you added was pretty textbook WP:SYNTH of primary sources & unreliable sources (WP:SPORTSKEEDA) with only one source that could be considered reliable (Vice). And even then, the Vice article one mentions Mills once to quote a social media comment. There's probably an argument to be made that if you had better sources, you could develop something for Genshin Impact#Controversies and/or HoYoverse for their business choices during the strike. But we don't need the "drama" framing on a BOLP article especially if no reliable sources have covered it. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Lullabying and Sariel Xilo already said most of what I would say, I just wanted to add that we do not have to "please both sides". We cover it how WP:RS do, if they cover it at all. See WP:FALSEBALANCE. But for now, I have yet to see enough reliable sources to warrant its inclusion here; we're not "hiding" anything. Link20XX (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) I can assure you, I’m not Sean though. 2605:8D80:6A25:232:5DE5:D35D:B14D:2AAE (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

You got Eurogamer as your reliable option, a source you deemed reliable giving dragon age a 10/10. whats next? lets levitate and shoot laser eyes? Yeah sure. Zqp65EiG9tg (talk) 00:53, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Eurogamer is considered a reliable source per WP:VG/RS, where you can read about why we consider it such. If you don't think it's reliable, you're welcome to start a discussion on its talk page, but you would need an actual argument (see WP:RS for details on how we consider reliability of sources). But as far as I can tell, they've never covered Mills herself, so I'm not sure how it's relevant here. This talk page is to discuss Mills' article, not other articles or the subject themselves. Link20XX (talk) 05:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)