Talk:Kurds

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I want to add some pêşmerga pics some cool fighters ~2025-31467-05 (talk) 12:40, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

What specifically do you want to add? We can't just give anyone permission to edit an article, that's not how page protection works. Toast1454_TC 15:45, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 16:31, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-31467-05 Are the pictures available on Media related to Kurds at Wikimedia Commons? ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

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There is a immediate contradiction. Kurds are referred to as an "Iranic Ethnic Group" yet I see nothing of Iran within their genetics.

Please fix this; Change "Iranic Ethnic Group" to "Ethnic Group" once again. ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 03:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. Yes, the consensus is that Kurds are considered Iranic. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 03:25, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Not at all. The Kurdish Project even highlights Kurds as being their of their own heterogeneous ethnic group historically . Other sources such as and Origin of the Kurds#cite ref-15 also suggest a heterogeneous ethnic culture of Indo-European descent; the former even goes as far to claim Kurds to be Assyrian converts to Islam. Simply put, there is autonomy in Iran, but culturally, as these are crusader states, Kurds are more Iraqi. Kurds are not truly considered nomadic as your consensus might suggest. In their migration to Iran, from Mesopotamia, sure, they may have picked up some of there sociocultural norms, but the land, origins, and breadth of culture still lies in the lands of Anatolia and Iraq. There is no consensus that considers Kurds more Iranic than Heterogeneous or Iraqi.

I'd suggest removing the Iranic part(s) entirely, and to change "Iranic ethnic group" to "Heterogeneous ethnic group" as the actual consensus, within the culture itself, seems to truly depict.

Otherwise, change "Iranic ethnic group" to "Iraqi ethnic group". ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

It is quite literally in the Iranian peoples article. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 18:49, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I see nothing of the Kurds in that article. ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Even in the Ethnicities in Iran article, they define Kurds as their own Ethnicity (10% of the Iranian population) of their own sect (p4). Within this article, they even make the distinction they Kurds live in Iran (under the Kurds section), when starting these are Iranic People culturally, which can be considered true for those within this autonomy, not for all Kurds alike. Can you agree with this? ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:57, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Even in the Ethnicities in Iran article, they define Kurds as their own Ethnicity (10% of the Iranian population) of their own sect (p4). Within this article, they even make the distinction that Kurds live in Iran (under the Kurds section), when stating these are Iranic People culturally, which can be considered true for those within this autonomy, not for all Kurds alike. Can you agree with this? ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Even in the Ethnicities in Iran article, they define Kurds as their own Ethnicity (10% of the Iranian population) of their own sect (p4). Within this article, they even make the distinction that Kurds live in Iran (under the Kurds section), when stating these are Iranic People culturally, which can be considered true for those within this autonomy, not for all Kurds alike. Can you agree with this? ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:59, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

If your like to cite with articles, perhaps change Iranian peoples to Melting pot#:~:text=It can also create a,political, social and economic spheres. or Heterogeneous Society. ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 19:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

"Modern Iranian peoples include the Baloch, the Gilaks, the Kurds, the Lurs, the Mazanderanis, the Ossetians, the Pashtuns, the Persians, the Tats, the Tajiks, the Talysh, and the Wakhis."

"The Arabs conquered the Sassanid Empire of the Persians and seized much of the Byzantine Empire populated by the Kurds and others."

"Saladin, a noted adversary of the Crusaders, was an ethnic Kurd, while various empires centered in Iran (including the Safavids) re-established a modern dialect of Persian as the official language spoken throughout much of what is today Iran and the Caucasus."

These are all from the Iranian peoples page. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 19:41, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but again this is only relative to the geography. Notice even your source says "ethnic Kurd". Therefore, Kurds are their own ethnicity, according to your own source. Antinthemiddie (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

To that I say...

"Iranian peoples, or Iranic peoples, are a diverse ethnolinguistic group who are identified chiefly by their native usage of any of the Iranian languages, which are a branch of the Indo-Iranian languages within the Indo-European language family."

Iranian peoples isn't really an ethnic group, but rather, it's ethnolinguistic. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 20:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I can agree with this, but then how can we call Kurds ethnically Iranian Peoples?

You just said "Iranian Peoples isn't really an ethnic group" and we know ethnic culture goes much deeper than simply spoken language.

Kurdish is the official language of Iraq, after all. Iraqis are not equivocally considered a Kurdish Ethnic Group? Do you agree? Antinthemiddie (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Please remember to adhere to WP:GS/KURD. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Same for you. Please do not interfere with the discussion as stated within WP:GS/KURD. Antinthemiddie (talk) 22:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

We could say that "Kurds are part of the Iranian ethnolinguistic group." or something else along those lines. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 22:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm okay with that! I obviously would love to see heterogeneous somewhere in there, but it is a great step in the right direction! Thank you for understanding! Antinthemiddie (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

In Wikipedia we follow WP:RS; not our own opinions/deductions (see also WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS). Per the previous RFC, there were numerous WP:RS which called them an Iranian/Iranic ethnic group, which ended up being the consensus for the lede. You have also been told to adhere to WP:GS/KURD multiple times now. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Did you check the sources? Please stop interfering in a productive conversation based on facts. Enough of the pretentious rhetoric; the sources were null, please check them. Antinthemiddie (talk) 23:06, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

So everyone in that RFC back then were discussing about "null" sources..? I think I've heard enough, and I also think it's clear that you don't care about WP:GS/KURD. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Why don't I see those sources then? Where and what are they? Antinthemiddie (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

What RFC are you talking about? You cannot make a reference to something, call it factual, and then not supply the reference. Antinthemiddie (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Kurds are an Iranian ethnic group, but arent Persian. Is there any preference for Iranic over Iranian? Also, the other groups seem to have inconsistency between Iranian ethnic group and Iranian people. ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I'd say Iranic is preferred since it more clearly marks the separation between the nation and the ethnolinguistic group. cf. "German" and "Germanic", referring to either the nation or the ethnolinguistic group consisting of Germans, Swedes, Anglo-saxons etc Xashm (talk) 00:30, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

"An ethnolinguistic group (or ethno-linguistic group) is a group that is unified by both a common ethnicity and language." Mobin Karami (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

A presidential decree^[1] issued on 16 January 2026 by president Ahmed al-Sharaa recognized Kurdish cultural and linguistic rights, canceled the laws resulting from the 1962 al-Hasakah census, and restored Syrian citizenship to Kurds living in Syria, including those previously unregistered.

I would submit an edit request about this (in fact I copied the above paragraph from an edit request I made on the Kurds in Syria article), but I'm kinda tired and don't have the energy to read the entire article to see what needs editing for a "change X to Y" request. Soo I'll just put that out there to start the discussion about it. Kaislash (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

I want to adress that the biggest kurdish community, Kurds in Turkey are not handled well in the communities section. Firstly the part consisting oppression and denial prior to 1980 and during 80s coup era are right and documented. There was so much suffering of Kurdish people.

But the history after Turgut Özal's rule is cut and misleading. In 1988 Halabja massacre and 1991 Iraqi uprising/Gulf War Özal welcomed hundreds of thousands kurdish and shia Iraqi citizens, calling them religious brothers. Özal was also one of the key figures that started Southeastern Anatolia Project, a project aimed to develop southeastern part of the Turkey (most kurdish-majority region) economically and sociologically.

After Özal, the AKP goverment lead by Recep Tayyip Erdoğan embraced a conservative policy that welcomes and unites Sunni Turks, Kurds and Arabs as a whole. Due to this many Kurds supported AKP in the early years. And during these years many bans and oppressions for Kurds and Kurdish language is lifted. Kurdish language added to education system as a elective course.

If we compare Iran part and Turkey part we can see that many kurdish statesman in Iran mentioned such as Karim Sanjabi while in Turkey part many influential Kurdish statesman and politician such as Hikmet Çetin (former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Leader of CHP, Speaker of the Grand National Assembly), Bekir Bozdağ (former Minister of Justice), Mehmet Şimşek (Minister of Economy) and most importantly Turgut Özal (8th President of Turkey) are not mentioned.

In Syria Part the Afrin and 2019 invasion are mentioned but Siege of Kobanî and many other conflicts with ISIS is not mentioned. ISIS was the biggest threat during Syrian civil war.

And lastly but most importantly Selahattin Demirtaş, the most influential Kurdish politician and activist in Turkey along with the Kurdish democratic process is not mentioned in the whole page. Kurds established many political parties and the Peoples' Democratic Party (Turkey) managed to became the fourth biggest party in Turkey. The assembly made two peace processes one in 2013-2015 and the other one started in 2025 and currently continues. During these periods Demirtaş was one of the key figures. He contributed for peace and minority rights and he is currently detained because of political reasons. He should be definitely added to the page.

As a Turkish citizen with Kurdish roots from one side, I can see that there is a negative stance towards Turkey in the page. Maybe even more than Saddam's Iraq. And currently there is a process of reconnecting and establishing bonds between these people.

Because of these, the information that I give here and Kurdish democratic process should be added in the respective parts. Today the Kurdish identity is growing in the society of Turkey maybe even more than Iran and Kurds are fighting and trying to achieve more.Egegokce (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2026 (UTC)