Talk:Minecraft server
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Add 2b to most popular?
@Melofors: Curious why 2b is omitted from most popular? Is it because the only source is WP:SELFSOURCE? Or another reason? Leijurv (talk) 23:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it is because of WP:SELFSOURCE. As far as I know, there are no reliable sources for the player count. There may be, but they might be very outdated. Tell me if you know of any. — Melofors TC 01:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Makes sense tbh. In the 2b article itself, it's got an "according to the server owner". Wouldn't really make sense here. It's at times like this that I ponder on the fact that all of those numbers are technically according to their server owners, it's just that some secondary sources have copied the numbers. Leijurv (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, and that also goes for articles like List of best-selling video games. — Melofors TC 21:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Is there even a way to confirm player counts of everyone who ever joined a server without some kind of assistance from the owners? Doubt it. Regardless, it's a shame. 5aturnius (talk) 15:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Makes sense tbh. In the 2b article itself, it's got an "according to the server owner". Wouldn't really make sense here. It's at times like this that I ponder on the fact that all of those numbers are technically according to their server owners, it's just that some secondary sources have copied the numbers. Leijurv (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Hypixel as most common?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minecraft&diff=927628728&oldid=927626635
Consensus on Minecraft seems to be to call Hypixel "one of" the most popular, while this article just says THE most popular. I'm not quite sure that consensus like that would directly transfer between articles, but might as well bring these two articles into alignment? idk. @Hellknowz: @Melofors: Leijurv (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Only Variety article says anything about being popular and it says "one of the", so that's (the only thing) what we can say. I imagine this article has taken slight liberties about WP:V versus WP:TRUTH. I suppose Melofors should be a little more careful citing material. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- I added this source from The Hollywood Reporter for that information about Hypixel being popular. — Melofors TC 01:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hypixel is the most popular server. See Guinness records. Nixinova T C 05:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 3 April 2020
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 12:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Minecraft servers → Minecraft server – Title should be singular. Title blacklist prevents me from performing this move myself. Nixinova T C 02:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals). The first exception appears to apply here, for "Articles on groups or classes of specific things." Leijurv (talk) 02:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Never really paid attention to it before, but there is no actual reason for it to be plural when this discusses the topic/concept of a "Minecraft server" in singular, like every other article on Wikipedia. There is nothing particular about this topic to be considered a group of something. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 21:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- The exception about "groups/classes" can be summed up like this: in running text, would you use the word "the" before the title? ("The Florida Keys", "The rivers of New Zealand"?) If not, it's definitely not going to fall under that exception. Support Red Slash 22:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Alright. Support Leijurv (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- That's a really helpful way to think about it! Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Title should be singular. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support as well per the reasons above; I didn't consider this when I created the article. — Melofors TC 15:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Ordering of notable servers
Title
Shouldn't the Minecraft in the article's title be italicized? Computer165 (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Specific pages for popular servers?
Would a page dedicated to a specific popular server e.g Hermitcraft, Hypixel,etc. be notable enough to deserve their own pages? Thanks. Frogface08 (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Has there been enough significant coverage of those servers to be considered for their own page? Hermitcraft, for example, has had a considerable impact, but I can't find any independent articles discussing the server. Separately, I'd like to split the notable servers section into Public servers and Private servers. Currently, the list contains only public servers. Marsp (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- DSMP has its own article, and its popular Nbanchor373 (talk) 22:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- This is a bit of an old topic, but with Hermitcraft's continuing online presence I think an article for Hermitcraft would be of use! It's definitely had a lot of impact on the Minecraft/YouTube community, and what with the amount of content that exists for the server at this point, an article would be useful for newcomer viewers of the series. Maybe we can mark it as a red link for now? Corinabit (talk) 19:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Build the Earth
Is Build the Earth considered a notable server? Build the Earth exists on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.0.22 (talk) 04:59, April 12, 2021 (UTC)
Shortening descriptions
About my recent edit: it is a follow up to this edit in which I converted the list into a table. The list was getting massive and I knew it would only get bigger, since there are probably dozens of servers mentioned in the media, which would be way too many sections. It looked like a bunch of separate articles for each server. When I converted it to a table, though, I put those massive paragraphs into the "notes" column, which also looked ugly. It should really just be a short 1–3 sentence description for each server. I'm leaving this here in case anybody opposes these changes. — Melofors TC 22:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Removal of Digital Jesuit
Should the Digital Jesuit entry be removed? I don't think it's notable enough to remain on the list (many citations don't necessarily indicate notability). The Robert Ballecer page has just a passing note at the very end of his article. The list points to Ballecer, but his article also points to Minecraft server#Notable servers, making neither page give much information on it (both pages have seemingly identical sentences). I'd be okay-ish if it was kept so long as Ballecer's page had a dedicated section for the server. Relevant policies: WP:NNC, WP:LSC, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:SOURCELIST. SWinxy (talk) 04:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
A missed old server from 2010
There is a server constantly running since 15 October 2010 that is not included in the list of notable servers.
It’s called “The Shire”. For the first few months it moved between various hosts and changed IPs, then they got a domain play.shirecraft.us that is still in use today. Still using the same map from 15 Oct 2010. Various artefacts from 2010 around the spawn area, including trees from Minecraft Alpha.
I’m finding it difficult to collate evidence for an obscure Minecraft server from 11 years ago, but here’s my attempt…
- Timeline of events
- Video from December 2010
- Video about 2010 Minecraft servers, skip to 15:08.
- Video of the world on 15 oct 2010 - this world became corrupted, and on the same day a new world was created that is still in use today.
- Reddit post from April 2016
Is it worthy of being on the list? --CoffeeAndChill (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- Unless its mentioned in media, no. Nixinova T C 06:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- I guess it depends on what you class as media. If you're asking for reputable sources from way back when it was created, you're unlikely to get that. The oldest article referenced for any server currently on the list is from 2016.
- There's a unilad article here - https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/1500-people-spent-five-years-making-this-stunning-minecraft-map (mirrored here)
- Gamestar article (German) - https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/minecraft,3274853.html
- The video I linked to in my previous comment from a popular YouTube content creator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0szlsSTuQC4
- Does the Unilad or Gamestar article qualify?
- --CoffeeAndChill (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sources should pass the standards of WP:RS, such as those at WP:VG/RS. Unilad accepts anyone's contributions and their acceptance criteria are unknown, so it is more than likely an unreliable source in itself. So you would have to instead show that the author is reliable as a self-published source - an expert in their field with significant publication history. But the content itself also doesn't really say much, doesn't list any dates or sources. "Here's a link, how cool is that" is the typical churnalism that we try to avoid. Honestly, 5 minutes of research would yield more content about that server than that article. In the end, I don't see how this is an acceptable source. — HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 00:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response
- Gamestar is in the list of platform-specific reliable sources - Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Platform-specific, and the server has an article on Gamestar; granted it is not full of content, although it does link off to a photo album, but few of the references currently in use on this page appear to reference specific dates.
- A video by "TheMisterEpic" is already used a reference on this page, and the server I am proposing to add is featured in one of their videos too. It's also been featured in videos by "Gameranx".
- The server has a bunch of albums uploaded to imgur over the years which are timestamped.
- I agree with you that the sources are not great. It seems a shame to have a piece of Minecraft history unacknowledged, alongside the other oldest communities that are still running.
- Do you have any suggestions for where to go from here please?
- --CoffeeAndChill (talk) 00:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sources should pass the standards of WP:RS, such as those at WP:VG/RS. Unilad accepts anyone's contributions and their acceptance criteria are unknown, so it is more than likely an unreliable source in itself. So you would have to instead show that the author is reliable as a self-published source - an expert in their field with significant publication history. But the content itself also doesn't really say much, doesn't list any dates or sources. "Here's a link, how cool is that" is the typical churnalism that we try to avoid. Honestly, 5 minutes of research would yield more content about that server than that article. In the end, I don't see how this is an acceptable source. — HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 00:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
