Talk:Murder of Mark Carson

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Murder of Mark Carson is currently a Law good article nominee. Nominated by JJonahJackalope (talk) at 12:49, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

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A fact from Murder of Mark Carson appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 October 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 2013 murder of Mark Carson, a hate crime involving the killing of an openly gay man, took place less than a quarter-mile (400 m) from the Stonewall Inn?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Did you know archive/2025/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Mark Carson.

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The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 talk 02:54, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

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... that the murder of Mark Carson prompted a rally of about 1,500 people in Manhattan to protest violence against LGBTQ people?

Source: Slate 2013

- ALT1: ... that the 2013 murder of Mark Carson, a hate crime involving the killing of an openly gay man, took place less than a quarter-mile from the Stonewall Inn? Source: Same as above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pulp era of science fiction

Created by JJonahJackalope (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 78 past nominations.

JJonahJackalope (talk) 12:48, 5 September 2025 (UTC).

Article is new enough and long enough.
Hook isn't supported by the Slate source (there's no reference to the rally of 1,500 people - the final paragraph only talks about the planning of a rally - it's a different source used in the article which supports that the information is correct)
Alt 1 is supported, however, and I think is the stronger hook anyway. - SchroCat (talk) 07:28, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

Sourcing

Hi JJonahJackalope, thanks for working on this article! I plan to review it, but I noticed it relies on International Business Times for several citations (references 2 and 15). IBT has been deemed generally unreliable for use in Wikipedia. Would you be open to removing or replacing those citations before I review? Otherwise the sourcing appears to be strong. Thanks, Anne drew (talk · contribs) 15:24, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

@Anne drew: Thank you for your notification here. I have made a few edits to the article and managed to completely remove the two citations listed. Much of the information cited to those sources was also presented in more reliable sources, fortunately. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 23:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

Nominator: JJonahJackalope (talk · contribs) 12:49, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Murder of Mark Carson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ChopinChemist (talk · contribs) 11:42, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article. Let me know if you're ready for feedback.ChopinChemist ^Talk? 11:42, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

@JJonahJackalope I have provided some feedback for the article. ChopinChemist ^Talk? 14:45, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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I will start this off with a few opening comments:

Well-written

a. prose

Morales then asked Carson, "Are you with him?", which Carson answered "Yes". This can be paraphrased to be more clear. Example: "Morales then asked Carson if he is with Robinson, to which Carson said yes."

On Tuesday, May 21 Tuesday is irrelevant in this context, could be removed.

b. MoS compliance in:

b.1. lead section:

However, he was ultimately found guilty of committing a hate crime, with the sentencing judge comparing the murder to the Pulse nightclub shooting. I believe that "however" could be removed as the background information for that is not as relevant for the lead and omitting it can confuse the reader (it could implicitly mean that he does not commit a hate crime because of his sexual identity).

b.2. layout:

b.3. words to watch:

Verifiable with no original research

Mark Carson

He lived in Brooklyn and was employed at a yogurt shop,[3][4] working in a kiosk in Grand Central Terminal. Later sources claimed that he worked at Ciao Bella Gelato instead of a yogurt shop, so this should be fixed to reflect that: "He lived in Brooklyn and was a manager at a gelato kiosk in Grand Central Terminal."

Prior incidents that night

Morales then revealed that he had a handgun—a silver Taurus Armas .38 caliber revolver[14]—in a shoulder holster concealed by his sweatshirt and threatened to kill the bartender if he called the police.[9][4] Source [9] and [4] had adequately cover the use of the gun. Therefore, source [14] should be removed.

Memorials and protests

By the evening of May 18,[4] an impromptu memorial was created on the sidewalk where Carson was killed, consisting largely of candles and flowers.[31][32] For both sources, the [4] New York Times paper cover this better, and the two sources at the end of the sentence should be replaced with the [4] source from NYTimes.

Response from public officials

On May 20,[36] the New York City Police Department announced that they would be increasing their presence in Greenwich Village and the surrounding area through the end of June, which is celebrated as Pride Month in the United States.[16][17] This source is adequately covered by the Associated Press article dated May 20. The two remaining source (AP and WSJ) should be deleted.

Legal proceedings

Concerning the latter point, Morales said that he thought he was about to be attacked by Carson and Robinson and only shot Carson after seeing him bring out what he thought was a black gun.[20] However, Carson was unarmed.[8][20] The Guardian source [8] does not mention that Carson was unarmed, but the NYTimes source [20] does. Thus source [8] should be removed.

Broad in its coverage

Neutral

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