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India Pakistani?

In 1935, a magnitude-7.5 earthquake was recorded in Quetta, India, killing 50,000. In 1974, just north of the recent quake's epicenter, a magnitude-6.2 earthquake occurred, generating 5,800 casualties. Is it in India or Pakistani? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs)

Reply: It was in British India.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.36.67 (talk • contribs)

1935 Quake

It is part of Pakistan. This must be an old reference during the British colonial rule. User:Siddiqui 19:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Population

Quetta's population is at least 2 million.

It is about 1.5 million not 2 million -- Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Afghani Refugees and total population

On one hand, there are about 600,000 inhabitants of Quetta. However, this is found in the Culture section: Beside millions of Afghan immigrants, the local inhabitants are mainly Pashtuns.

Therefore, I think that this is a contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.183.131 (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply: It is due to the fact that Afghani immigrants are never surmised into the National census. They are refugees not inhabitants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.148.212 (talk) 09:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The name

Here the transliteration is given as kwattah. Does that mean it is کوېټه ? I'm out of my element here, just wondering. What are u wondering about? may be i can provide some elelments for you to stop wondering.User:Habib248ccm Khiradtalk 16:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

s:The Story of Uriah

The above poem was written in the late 1800's taking place in Quetta. Does anyone have a clue why Jack Barrett died? Is Septemeber a likely season to contract maleria or some other disease?--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 14:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Taliban?

I'm wondering whether the article should have at least a passing mention of the ongoing questions about Taliban presence in Quetta.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,450605,00.html

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.130.229.191 (talk • contribs).


I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilicheez (talk • contribs) 04:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

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Quetta and Kasi (Pashtoon / Afghan)

Quetta and Kasi In the early seventeenth century, a Pashtun from North Pakistan called Khwaja Ni’mat Allah described the tribal structure and origin of Pashtun Society in this work, the Makbzan-I Afghani. Although it undoubtedly contains information on the ethnogenesis of the Pashtuns, this genealogy should not be read as a sound historical source that indicates how the Pashtuns came into being as a distinct ethnic group. Instead, it should be used as a source of information, from the seventeenth century or earlier, for the way in which the Pashtuns saw themselves as a group. Ni’mat Allah differentiates between four main groups of Pashtuns. These are the descendants of the three sons of the putative ancestor of al Pashtuns, Qays Abdul Al-Rashid Pathan, plus another, fourth group. The putative ancestor himself descended, according to traditional genealogies, from King Sarul (Saul), the Jewish king. The allegedly Jewish ancestry of the Pashtuns was a subject always hotly debated in Pashtun tea houses!

The three sons of Qays Abdul Al-Rashid pathan were named Sarban, Bitan and Ghurghusht (although there are many variants of these names). Most important of these, at least in the eyes of Ni’mat Allah, was Sarban. He was the eldest son. His descendants, via his son Sharkhbun, are mainly found in South Afghanistan, and via his other son Kharshbun, in the Peshawar Valley. Those in the west include the Abdalis, who since the mid-eighteenth century are called the Durranis. Those in the east include the Yousfzay, who lie north of Peshawar, and many other tribes in the same area.

Genealogy of Pathan tribes, from The Imperial Gazetteer of India, Vol. XIX, Pg 207 The relationship between the descendants of Sharkhbun and Kharshbun is of great interest. If Ni’mat Allah is correct, this would indicate historical connections. In this context the spread of another group, namely the offspring of a man called Kasi, is also important. Kasi was another descendant of Kharshbun, the son of Sarban. Kasi’s descendants include the Shinwaris, who nowadays live in the Jalalabad area west of Peshawar. But they also include two other tribes who live far to the south, in the Quetta region southeast of Qandahar, namely the Kasis themselves and the Ketrans. [1]

You can also download the Pata Khazana and see page number 10 which is about Kasi. Pata Khazana or the Hidden Treasure is a biography of Pashtoon poets from the earliest times to the time of Mohammad Hotak, the author. It was written in 1728-29 AD in Kandahar, Afghanistan. The earliest poet mentioned in Pata Khazana, Amir Krorr, died in 771 AD. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.140.194 (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


  • so ? what do you what to tell us ?

you should better paste this all in here Kasi or Pushtun. This article, as obvious from the name is related to "quetta city" not the history or genoelogy of pushtuns or kasi.

Mohammad Adil (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Please only include the relelvent factual information. 


  This article is about Quetta. Its the city of all of us. In this
 article it seems that Quetta is only about pashtuns and no one else.
Pashtuns are  in majority if you consider afghan refugees otherwise
 Balochis are in majority in quetta. This article in 
notable people section included names of a lot of pashtun tribe leaders. Come on, what is this include only those who are 
nationally popular and them which originate from here not
 everyone from entire pashtun belt.
Late Hassam Qazi who was the most popular actor of Quetta Nationally, his name was no where before i included it. No
 mentioning of akbar bugti, whose second home was quetta. He was C.m and governor of this province. Nawab Shahwani who is the cheif of 
shahwani tribe he also deserves to be here. Because most of the parts of Quetta southren side belonged to shahwani tribe which 
are more than any other tribe. Even still they have a lot remaining on that side. 
Balochistan as a province was not created for the first time in 1970. There used to be a british balochistan before partion. This
 error i have corrected and hope that you people will not disturb it. Brauhi is the most ancient language among all the 
languages in this region and Quetta just like Karachi was first inhabited by baloch tribes then our Pashtun brothers also 
settled here.

This article is for presenting information about this great city and not for ethnic battles. So please keep that in mind while doing any
sort of edits. Correct me if I am wrong....

``Primeboy`` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Primeboy (talk • contribs) 17:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

@Primeboy Suffice it to say you are the one who instigated this ethnic quarrel and I can totally understand your insecurity. You should know that Quetta is a Pashtun city it's like a universal Truth anyone can tell by its name. You’re somehow suggesting that Quetta should be declared a Baloch city. Dude! it's like calling Peshawar a Baloch city. Get a life no ones gonna buy that. Late Hassam Qazi was half Pashtun and was married to a Pashtun woman. Even the fact is evident that Pashtun people here don’t understand Balochi but the Baloch can both understand and speak our language. You people always assert that the Pashtuns are in the majority because of the Afghan refugees which is preposterous. Just so you know the Afghan refugees comprise only 3% of the local Pashtun majority and most of them have even fled back. The northern Balochistan including Quetta was once part of Afghanistan no wonder its included in the New World Order Map that was leaked from the CIA. Don’t ever think you can mislead people from reality I will always be there to revert your false changes. One more thing Brohis and Balochis are totally different ethnicities and have totally different languages. If you are feeling so much insecure and disturbed by Pashtuns being the majority why not write about your own Baloch cities and towns we won’t vandalize those articles just as your trying so bad here or why not get a life.

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.102.178 (talk) 13:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary Deletion

Please avoide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Mohammad Khilji (talk • contribs) 20:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Mountains arround Quetta

Zarghoon mount Koh-i-Zarghoon is also coming in the surroundings of Quetta like mount Chiltan,Koh-i-Chiltan mount Takatuo Koh-i-Takatu and mount Murdaar,Koh-i-Murdaar--[ [User: Baloch Baba] ] 13:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baloch Baba (talk • contribs)

Correct info
Karim jan (talk) 08:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalsim

The page is a persistent target of vandalism and illegal edits specifically by User:Karim jan. I urge the fair contributors to seriously look into this matter. The user claims that Quetta's real name is Shal a Balochi word which in fact was the city's old name Shal Kot and wasn't actually derived from Balochi. He further claims that all the Pashtun population migrated from Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion. The fact is that Northern Baluchistan including Quetta has historically been part of Afghanistan before the British takeover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajmalahmedkhan (talk • contribs) 19:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

You said "The fact is that Northern Baluchistan including Quetta has historically been part of Afghanisatn before the British takeover." So check this link then claim such happenings. And, avoid future vandalism on this page.
Karim jan (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Racism must not be allowed on Quetta page

Quetta city’s real inhabitants were Shahwaani (Baloch) and Kasi (Pashtun), and in late 19th century Hazara people from central Afghanistan begin migration to Shal due to killing of Hazaras by Afghan rulers (i.e Amir Abdur Rahman Khan). The real name of Quetta is Shal, which is aBalochi language word, and the main castle in the city, which now is a arsenal of Pakistan Army, was the seat of Baloch governor till the occupation of the city by the British troops. Baloch and Pashtun have lived brotherly in Shal without any problem, in fact Pashtuns ,in the past, called Shal as Shal-Kot (meaning: The Castle of Shal). But as the time went by political conditions changed and the Pakistani control of the city distorted everything. Also, from 1978 to 2000s hundreds of thousands of Pashtuns migrated to Shal, from Afghanistan as ecnomical conditions become harder for the people there. On this page editors must not feel affronted by historical facts, we must accept truth and bring facts to the readers. Thanks Karim jan (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Currently (officially, internationally, academically, etc..), it is known as Quetta. If it was once known as Shal, than it should be mentioned at the history section of this article. There is no reason to flood the intro and infobox with the word "Shal". You also have to find reliable sources to prove your Afghan refugee claims. If you cannot source them and wikipedians cannot verify your sources, than there is no reason to add those claims. (Ketabtoon (talk) 01:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC))
I haven’t written any editions without sources. Here you are wrong to say that “flood the intro and infobox with the word Shal". It should be written there as its real name is. If in the inbox there is Pashtun and Urdu wording for Shal/Quetta then why not Balochi and Brahui? Well everybody knows that nearly a million Afghan refugees live in Shal, but, well we have to give sources, and that will be soon posted on Shal/Quetta page.Karim jan (talk) 20:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
An Afghan refugees related link: | Afghanistan refugees V/s Baloch IDPs Karim jan (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
What Pakistanis think about Afghan refugees: | Pakistan Defence Karim jan (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
There is very little information available regarding Shal. If the region was historically known by that name, it should be added to Quetta#Etymology or Quetta#History sections of the article. Even the official website of Quetta fails to mention anything about Shal at their website. (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC))
Read some books about the history of Balochistan you will find information regarding Shal. Mostly Government of Pakistan's websites do not write factual history regarding Balochistan they inherited British terminology due to political reasons. But here is a link, also from a semi-government site, regarding Shal: Check itKarim jan (talk) 08:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Pure BS. The Baloch have always been concentraded down south and have nothing to do with Quetta. The word "Kot" as you claim, is a Pashto word meaning fortress and has nothing to do with Balochis. Quetta has always been Pashtun dominated as it still is, the Baloch are less then 10% and most of them have migrated recently to the city for work as it being the capital. You may want to sit down and stop spreading propaganda, it won't do you know good.Akmal94 (talk) 08:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Further on Quetta people

Above I mentioned just two tribes who are know to be the actual populace of Shal/Quetta, there are other Baloch and Pashtun tribes that too belong to original inhabitants list. Those are:
Qambarani, Baloch, whose land property is from present day Killi Qambarani to northern edge of Chiltan where Samungli area begins.
Yasinzai, Pashtun, who came to Shal from Toba Kakari area in late 19th centaury.
Langove, Baloch, one of the earliest tribes of Shal.
Lehri, Baloch, the inhabitants of mountains just south of Shal.
Jattak, Baloch, also an old tribe of Shal.
Bazai, Pashtun, which trace it roots to Pashin valley, further north of Shal.
And
Sayyad, Arab origin, who settled in Kirani area of Shal during the times Mir Abdullah, father of Muhammad Nasir Khan I (The Great). Sayyads have matrimonial relations with both Baloch and Pashtun. Karim jan (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Markhor is a goat

Markhor is a Balochi and Tajiki word (in Balochi it is also know as Koh-Pachin-e-Chiltan or Ibex of Mount Chiltan) , and is a wild goat not a wild sheep. Some editors are bent on to defend the concept, by defying scientific research, that Markhor is a sheep. Strange that people have ignored this fact on Shal/Quetta page for so long. Open your eyes and above all minds! Check Wikipedia’s own link regarding Markhor
Karim jan (talk) 08:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wrong! Markhor is a Farsi/Persian word meaning snake eater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markhor

Stop relating everything to Baloch. You're not even a real Baloch you are Bruhi speaking with no true identity of your own. Pity!

I am not ralating everything to Baloch! In fact, I mean Markhor is also called Koh Pachen of Chiltan, and yes it also means Snake(Mar) Eater(Khor) in Balochi and Brahui too. Though in Brahui Snake is called Doosha but Brahui speakers call this animal Markhor. So, tell us who are you?

Shal is Quetta

The ancient name of Quetta was Shalkot, a term by which it is still known among the people of the country, the District was held in turns by the Ghaznavids, Ghurids, and Mongols, and towards the end of the fifteenth century was conferred by the ruler of Herat on Shah Beg Arghun, who, however, had shortly to give way before the rising power of the Mughals. The Ain-e-Akbari mentions both Shal and Pishin as supplying military service and revenue to Akbar, however these areas passed with Kandahar to the Safavids. On the rise of the Ghilzai power in Kandahar at the beginning of the eighteenth century, simultaneously with that of the Brahuis in Kalat, Quetta and Pishin became the battle-ground between Afghan and Brahui, until Nadir Shah handed Quetta over to the Brahuis about 1740. The Durranis and their successors continued to hold possession of Pishin and Shorarud till the final transfer of these places to the British in 1879. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.211.212 (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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The word Quetta

The word quetta in wikipedia is described as it derived from the word kuwatta of balochi language. which is a mistake, the same word belongs to pashto language basically as it is the most common language spoken in the city. The word quetta is basically derived from the word kwatta of pashto language which means the same as it is mentioned in wikipedia's search for quetta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.221.66 (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Kot means fortress not only in pushto but aslo but in all regional langueges includeing Balochi.So how can you say that it is derived from Pushto word.You should also mention that Kot is a Balochi word as well with same meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.155.93 (talk) 09:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Kot is a Pashto word. Other languages in the area could have adopted the term since Pashto is the national language of the city. Akmal94 (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Quetta Shura

Why has there been no mention of the Quetta Shurra, which is one of the most hotly-debated issues in the Afghan War? 14.192.208.205 (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Indian Staff College

I feel it is worth mentioning that Quetta was the location of the Indian Staff College, where Montgomery of Alamein was Chief Instructor from 1935-37. He had been forecasting a Second World War for years, but calculated that he would be too old for it. So he believed that his contribution to the next big combat would be to instruct the new fast-track officers to the best of his ability. Unusually, he made close friends with these new men, including Harding, and they defended his record when he was in danger of the chop in '39, when many other top brass were longing for an excuse to get rid of him. Valetude (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2015

Hi. The second paragraph mentions Pakistan and Afghanistan and Quetta being an important link between 3 countries: ("Located in northern Balochistan near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, Quetta is a trade and communication centre between the three countries.") If I'm reading the paragraph correctly, instead of "three countries" it should read "two countries". Thank you. 99.108.249.40 (talk) 06:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Done It was changed from "two" to "three" by blocked user Jacob477. Stickee (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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