Starting a new thread to continue the discussion from last year on climate change that fizzled out. I have a feeling this will likely go to RfC so hoping to get a few options for wording. The section in question is on [climate change]. We have an entire section with three large paragraphs that document many instance of its climate change denial. I had previously cut this down to a summary saying they are climate change deniers. This was objected to and after looking closer it was likely too much of a cut. However, the current wording lists many specific instance of their climate change denial and it reads more like POV-pushing. There is no need to list every article they published denying climate change. If we did that for everything they did, we would have an article that would cause the WMF to purchase a new server. Initially looking for feedback on the amount of information we should put in this section. CNMall41 (talk) 04:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would recommend against heading toward an RfC in particular. Based on my recollection of the last discussion and a quick skim, there's a decent chance at consensus for a version that's 50–70% as long as the status quo. I'd certainly support such a trim. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. And, I agree which is why I started the discussion. It almost went RfC last time due to a contentious editor who is now blocked. I believe there are cooler heads here though so hopefully we can agree on wording that is NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CNMall41 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Initial wording proposed:
Here is the initial wording that sums up they are against climate change. Open to feedback about anything additional that should be included. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
The Daily Caller has published articles that dispute the scientific consensus on climate change. According to Science magazine, The Daily Caller's "climate reporting focuses on doubt and highlights data that suggests climate concerns from the world's leading science agencies and organizations are incorrect".[1]
- I am generally in agreement with this. The outlet is not exactly widely portrayed as an authority on climate change. Certainly the Daily Mail content is really more about that outlet than this one. BD2412 T 04:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Proposed wording:
This discussion has seemed to stalled again so I took some time to go through and create a summary which would meet WP:WEIGHT and WP:NPOV. I played with it for a while and there was some copy and pasting back and forth but believe the references line up. Here is what I would propose changing the current climate change information to read:--CNMall41 (talk) 21:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
The Daily Caller has published articles that dispute the scientific consensus on climate change. According to Science magazine, The Daily Caller's "climate reporting focuses on doubt and highlights data that suggests climate concerns from the world's leading science agencies and organizations are incorrect".[1]
The accuracy of certain articles published in the early-to-mid 2010s was particularly questioned, as with a 2011 article claiming that the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was on a path towards spending $21 billion per year to hire 230,000 staff to regulate greenhouse gas emissions; at the time, the EPA had 17,000 staff and a total budget of $8.7 billion, while the numbers reported by The Daily Caller reflected the numbers that, according to Politifact and a legal brief filed in a related case, the agency in question would be obligated to hire "to regulate greenhouse gasses from all sources that emit them above the level set in statute".[2][3][4] The story went viral in right-wing media,[5] and was repeated by Republican politicians.[3] Criticized articles on the subject later in the 2010s included the republication of a 2017 article published in Daily Mail which claimed that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) manipulated data to make climate change appear worse; other news outlets debunked the Daily Mail story.[6][7] A 2018 story cited an Obama Administration memo pushing authors of an EPA National Climate Assessment report to include worst-case scenarios as evidence that the Obama Administration intended those authors to focus on such scenarios. FactCheck.org disputed this story, stating that the memo "does not show that the Obama administration pushed for certain scenarios".[8]
Implemented the suggestion above. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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