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Q1. Why is Ukraine listed as the second-largest country in Europe? France is. (Or alternately, Denmark is.)
It's an ambiguous statement, and depends on whether you include non-European territories or not, and whether you include disputed territories or not. The totality of France (which includes French Guiana) is larger than Ukraine, but the European part of France (Metropolitan France) is smaller than Ukraine. Although Denmark is in Europe, Greenland is in North America. Q2. Kyiv or Kiev?
This is a topic for discussion at Talk:Kyiv. The current transliteration is based on the Ukrainian spelling of the name: "Kyiv" (pronounced "KEE-ev"). The Russian version is "Kiev" (pronounced "KEE-ef") is associated with the Russification of Ukraine. Source:."Slownik geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego i innych krajow slowianskich". Druk „Wieku” Nowy Świat. 1883. Archived from the original on 5 March 2022. |
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Change "Russian occupied territories" to "Territory claimed but not controlled"
It is more neutral, as in the Japan article, it says "Territory claimed but not controlled", not Russian occupied territories. South Sudan is at war with Sudan, yet it shows them "not controlling" the territories. ~2025-41695-24 (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- Russia controls them if the territories are occupied, no? Territory claimed but not controlled means that they do not have a presence in the region, but they claim it. Russia clearly has a military presence in the region. ~2025-42181-90 (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Again, South Sudan is at war with Sudan. But it shows that the territory is only claimed, not controlled. There's a large military presence in the regions South Sudan and Sudan claim. ~2025-41695-24 (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Sudan and South Sudan are not directly engaged in a war. They both have their own problems, they would both be devastated if they started fighting each other (though they have in the past). Also, calling the territories "claimed but not controlled" subtly discredits Ukraine's argument. The vast majority of the international community supports Ukraine's territorial integrity. Grilledcheeseisgreat (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The "claimed but not controlled" is referring to Ukraine, not Russia. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:55, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Ukrainian land is not "claimed", its internationally recognized. Use to be recognized even by the ones that are currently occupying. So no, that change would make no sense. Its land of Ukraine occupied by Russia.--LeeMarx (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- International recognition of the Ukrainian claim. This is not complicated. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:37, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Not recognition of the Ukrainian claim, but recognition of the Ukraine's sovereignty. Recognized by russia aswell in 1997, including Crimea. LeeMarx (talk) 08:50, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
- That's still a claim. This has nothing to do with whether it is valid or not. An assertion of sovereignty is still a claim. This is basic English. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:12, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
- "occupied territories" is also basic english. --LeeMarx (talk) 17:21, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not objecting to the phrase "occupied territories", I'm just pointing out that your objection to "claimed but not controlled" is nonsensical. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:00, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- "occupied territories" is also basic english. --LeeMarx (talk) 17:21, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- That's still a claim. This has nothing to do with whether it is valid or not. An assertion of sovereignty is still a claim. This is basic English. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:12, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
- Not recognition of the Ukrainian claim, but recognition of the Ukraine's sovereignty. Recognized by russia aswell in 1997, including Crimea. LeeMarx (talk) 08:50, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
- International recognition of the Ukrainian claim. This is not complicated. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:37, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Ukrainian land is not "claimed", its internationally recognized. Use to be recognized even by the ones that are currently occupying. So no, that change would make no sense. Its land of Ukraine occupied by Russia.--LeeMarx (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Again, South Sudan is at war with Sudan. But it shows that the territory is only claimed, not controlled. There's a large military presence in the regions South Sudan and Sudan claim. ~2025-41695-24 (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
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Add Ukraine's size and population to the first paragraph of the lede, just like it's done for every other country page. You can use the latest estimate that's given in the article infobox where it says that Ukraine's population is over 32 million ~2025-42549-33 (talk) 19:27, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 04:47, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
Done I understand what you mean, and I have added this information to the lead. Lova Falk (talk) 07:55, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
Stop spelling Ukrainian words in Russian language, that’s gross.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Not “Kievan” but “Kyivan Rus’”, Kiev is in russian language, Kyiv is Ukrainian ~2026-26263-54 (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- Couldn’t agree more! It’s terrible that even in wikipedia I have to read russian propaganda terms about my country. Not to mention it’s an actual WAR time, when our people are dying for us to have an equal place with other countries, languages and cultures in this world. Едууард (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- "Kievan Rus" is English and the relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME (it also looks like you have created this account to agree with yourself). Mellk (talk) 23:34, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don't like the spelling personally either, but to change it, you're going to have to cite Wikipedia policy and argue that "Kyivan Rus'" follows policy better. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 04:08, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- Well, considering that we aren't writing in either Ukrainian or Russian, none of that matters a damn bit. We are writing in English, and the usual English spelling is Kievan Rus. And spare me your "help, help, we're being repressed" posturing. It is horrendously ironic that you are attempting to use this to impose your will on speakers of another language.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 21:10, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Khajidha While your response is grounded in policy like WP:COMMONNAME, remember to be civil, to assume good faith, and to not engage in personal attacks. Keep the discussion focused on the text, not accusing people of "posturing". Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 21:55, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- Attempting to impose one language's standards on another is highly inappropriate and anyone who tries to do so deserves to know how disrespectful they are being. I really don't care if they get upset, as they are the ones committing the offense. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 23:50, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- Where in Wikipedia policy does it say you can do personal attacks because they "deserve" it? Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 00:59, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know. Ask Едууард. Or is attacking Wikipedia okay, but pointing out said attacks isn't? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:07, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- You have a right to be angry. But the last thing we need is to bite the newcomers. We are trying to improve the encyclopedia, not punish people because they haven't learned the rules yet. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 12:05, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's not the rules of the encyclopedia. It's simply not being an asshole. If you don't understand that you have no right to control other people's native language, then you aren't competent to be having a discussion in it.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- If you don't understand that comparing people's lived experience to a British comedy sketch violates Wikipedia policy, read WP:CIVIL. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 16:48, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not. I'm comparing their reaction to English usage to a scene from a Monty Python movie. How English spells a name is not an attack on them. And their reaction to it trivializes the very real atrocities and repressions that the Russian have inflicted (and cpntinue to inflict) on the Ukrainian people. But sure, let's all rant about how evil it is that the English language does things its own way and doesn't just copy Ukrainian. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:12, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
- If you don't understand that comparing people's lived experience to a British comedy sketch violates Wikipedia policy, read WP:CIVIL. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 16:48, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's not the rules of the encyclopedia. It's simply not being an asshole. If you don't understand that you have no right to control other people's native language, then you aren't competent to be having a discussion in it.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- You have a right to be angry. But the last thing we need is to bite the newcomers. We are trying to improve the encyclopedia, not punish people because they haven't learned the rules yet. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 12:05, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know. Ask Едууард. Or is attacking Wikipedia okay, but pointing out said attacks isn't? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:07, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- Where in Wikipedia policy does it say you can do personal attacks because they "deserve" it? Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 00:59, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- Attempting to impose one language's standards on another is highly inappropriate and anyone who tries to do so deserves to know how disrespectful they are being. I really don't care if they get upset, as they are the ones committing the offense. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 23:50, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Khajidha While your response is grounded in policy like WP:COMMONNAME, remember to be civil, to assume good faith, and to not engage in personal attacks. Keep the discussion focused on the text, not accusing people of "posturing". Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 21:55, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Khajidha: Warning: To avoid being blocked from at least this page, you must not respond as you have done above. @Едууард: Anyone wanting to pursue the suggested change would need to first discuss the spelling of Kievan Rus' at its talk page. However, the big red box at the top of Talk:Kievan Rus' suggests that topic has been raised too often. You could ask for suggestions at WP:Teahouse but new data to support a rename would be needed. Johnuniq (talk) 08:07, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq Khajidha posted another response above roughly nine hours after your warning above. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 21:13, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.