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h is not at all related to the yo-yo skill toy), I believe there should be a disambiguation page. Thoughts? I'm afraid I don't know how to put on together if it is given the go ahead either, but I'm sure someone can help :-) --Wilfred 20:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh well. I'll try to be bold and just get on with it. --*Wilfred* (talk) 10:03, - Wilfred

Chinese ?

Does anyone know if the word "yoyo" comes from the repetition of the Chinese word of approximately the same sound meaning "again and again"? Ursamajor13 02:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

afraid dante is correct.. look at this reference..

http://www.spintastics.com/HistoryOfYoYo.asp

64.131.205.239 13:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Dante is not correct, read your source again. They're talking about rocks, not yo-yos. --Tommy Gun 07:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


Banning of yo-yos

Hasn't Yo-yos been banned in several places including the UK and some Australian states?

PMelvilleAustin 04:45 22 May 2003 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? Don't think it's ever been banned in the UK, as I've owned a number of Yo-yos myself, although it's been at least 5 years since I last had one.

Smoothy 13:42 16 March 2005 (UTC)

You're thinking of a different kind of toy which is sometimes called a "yo-yo". Those are rubbery toys with weights on the end that stretch so you can bounce it up and down. The controversy on those was due to being able to stretch the finger loop really wide and resulted in strangulation danger. Not sure where/if they were banned, but it wasn't the normal yo-yos with strings that were effected.

-- Shawn Fumo

A few UK schools banned them because of choking hazards of using the string. Not enough to be noteworth though IMHO. - Wilfred

Guns were banned in the UK, but not yo-yos. Because seriously, if they criminalize yo-yos, then only criminals will yo.


They were banned in my school - Clanfield Middle School, Hampshire - due to people swinging them around their heads and using them as slings. A window was eventually smashed, and the school enforced a complete ban. They banned conkers for the same reason. --MeteoriK 15:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

History links

The origins of the yo-yo have been researched quite well. You can read related articles by real authorities on the subject here:

http://www.ayya.org

and Here:

http://www.yo-yos.net

Please note that both of these sites indicate quite clearly that the yo-yo was never a weapon. What is it going to take to stop the perpetuation of this "weapon" story??


Jim

COuld we talk about the yoyo before it arrived in the states? is its introduction to the USa particularly significant? -- Tarquin 21:57, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The introduction to the USA by Flores is actually pretty significant because of how "sleeping" yo-yos happened at the same time (though there were some yo-yos in the US prior to that). I think it is a little unclear on whether any yo-yos could sleep in the phillipines, but if they could, I don't know of any documentation for it. All the main accounts prior to the US introduction have yo-yos whose string is firmly attached to the axle. Still, it'd be nice to have as much information on the use of yo-yos prior to that point as possible.

In addition to the two links that Jim mentioned, this is good as well, as it gives a bit more depth to what happened with Pedro Flores. It seems as though Flores actually had a very substatial thing going before Duncan got involved. I'd trust Lucky's accounts the most due to his standing as a yo-yo historian and collector: http://www.nationalyoyo.org/museum/pedroflores.htm

The one from Val Krantz has a good reputation as well...

---Shawn Fumo


What about the first bearing yoyo (Tom Kuhn's design I believe) and the first transaxle. They both caused a stir when they were invented. - Wilfred

Stone Yo-yos were used in Greece at one point. China too, I think

Physics of yo-yos

This article really needs more info on the physics of how yo-yos work. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 23:05, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

 Yeah, the description there was pretty lacking. I added quite a bit more to the section.  I think at I at least covered the main points of it. But it could probably also use a picture or two, and maybe some more description.Forbes72 (talk) 04:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

looped slip-string

I have uncovered contradictory information concerning the development of the looped slip-string. Was it developed in the phillipines or invented by duncan? myabe both, was duncan merely the first american to apply for a patent on it? popefauve 01:07, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Most of the more reliable accounts I've seen say that Pedro Flores was the one with a looped slip-string. I think it is less clear whether Flores came up with the looped string first or if that was done by someone else in the Phillipines. Most of the pages I've seen which claim Duncan invented the sleeping yo-yo seem to be derived from Duncan's history page, which is perhaps a bit biased. --Shawn Fumo

Shawn, I have some pre-Duncan Flores yo-yos with the original string. They were looped to sleep. This does not show that Flores invented the sleeping yo-yo, but it does show that Duncan did not. I understand that there is some controversy in the Philippines about who invented this, and they have another hear, not Pedro Flores who they say did this. We need to look more into this. -GReg Ghengiscohen 15:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

uh-oh... does that count as 'original research'? :) popefauvexxiii 20:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Questions...

The text refers to yo-yos 'in the future', but makes no real comments, then references pictures that don't appear to be there. Any clues? Trollderella 19:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

What on earth is a 'linear' walk the dog? -Wilfred

Sounds like a Walk the Dog that does a crab-walk. RandomEcho 15:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know whether the word YoYo comes from the Chinese words of the same sound meaning "again and again"? Ursamajor13 02:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Relocation necessary

The line:

"In the old 60s Hanna-Barbara cartoon Yogi Bear, there was a (somewhat offensive stereotype) bear named "Yo-yo", whose trademark was delivering a Karate Chop to dispatch those who would get between him and a pic-i-nic basket."

doesn't belong on the yoyo toy page. Where should it go? - Wilfred

maybe Yo-Yo (Hanna-Barbera character)? popefauvexxiii 06:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yoyo in anime

There is a yoyo-inspired anime titled "Chosoku Spinner". Here's a link to the "Chosoku Spinner" page at Anime News Network: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1276. Doberdog 03:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Doberdog

I'll add a "culture" section to enable future additions like this brain 09:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

the yoyo as a weapon and history

On the yoyo as a weapon, Filipino martyr-hero Jose Rizal has demonstrated its capabilities. He did this during his travel to Liverpool, England in the late 1880s. His accounts are recorded in the work Epistolario Rizalino, vol. 2 p. 25. On the origin of the word yoyo, I belive it was of Visayan origin (a Philippine language).

be bold: remember you can add this yourself! brain 09:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course, the 1880s occurred somewhat after the first documentation of the toy in ancient Greece... P.F. Bruns (talk) 08:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The unsigned comment which heads this session dates back to sometime prior to 13:51, November 15, 2006 — I haven't looked back prior to that. I don't have the time or resources to check out Epistolario Rizalino myself, besides which it would probably be in Spanish or Tagalog and I understand neither. Regarding "visayan" being a Philippine language, the Visayan languages article lists 21 languages in 5 language groups as being Visayan. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Just revisiting this to note the following info, which I got here: "... Defendants introduced the testimony of Dr. Henry Lee Smith, Jr., since 1956 Chairman of the Department of Anthropology and Linguistics and Professor of Linguistic English, State University of New York at Buffalo, who qualified as an expert linguist and etymologist, particularly in the Polynesian languages. No question was raised as to the qualifications or integrity of this witness. He testified that at the request of counsel for defendants, he made a special study of the word 'yo-yo,' and that in connection with that study he consulted, in addition to the documents introduced by plaintiff, major unabridged encyclopedias, current unabridged dictionaries, various bibliographical references, and with colleagues and children. As a result of his study, he expressed the definite opinion that the word 'yo-yo' is a Malayo-Polynesian word of Philippine origin; that the toy itself is of Oriental origin, and that the word 'yo-yo' was tied together with the toy in the Philippines and was introduced into the American language from that country. His testimony was buttressed by numerous documentary references, one of which was an article appearing in The Sunday Tribune Magazine of March 5, 1933, entitled, 'Is Yo-Yo from the Philippines,' which quotes the assistant director of the Philippine National Library as saying that the word 'yo-yo' is descriptive of the movement and sound of the toy and hence the toy is characteristically so called in Filipino languages. Further, the article states that 'Yo-Yo' is a game known throughout the entire archipelago, where it is consistently used in a generic sense." -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Why are yoy-yo weapons utterly void from this article, when it's the origins of the toy yo-yo toy of our times? It doesn't matter if there were yo-yo toys in some societies before, those are not the origin of yo-yos in our modern world. The origin is weapons. Weapons which are not mentioned at all. Is someone afraid it will hurt yo-yo sales if parents know the truth? Heck, there's a yo-yo weapon in Samurai Warriors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.22.251.138 (talk) 02:23, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Second oldest toy?

"Archaeologically, it is the second oldest toy known (after dolls)". Given the significance of this assertion, it needs a citation. 200.55.112.47 18:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Nahuel

I've heard this for years, but Nobody has ever shown me evidence of this. The boomerang (as a toy) goes back to at least 1500BC (an ivory one was found in an Egyptian tomb, and yes, they did have boomerangs in ancient egypt, it was not just the Australians who had them) What about the ball? There are images of balls being played with from about 1550BC, also in an Egyptian tomb. Wouldn't logic tell us that the odds are better that a ball, or a knocker, or something that is simpler was a toy that was invented first?

Also weirdly, the 2nd oldest toy reference I have never seen in any dated reference from before about 1987. Anyone have better evidence of this? -GReg Ghengiscohen 15:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

i will research the claim more thoroughly and try to uncover a definitive academic answer. regarding balls and boomerangs: i imagine it would be difficult to pin down an original application for boomerangs archaeologically, it may have been developed specifically for its utility as a weapon. surrounding evidence would be important... was the boomerang found in the tomb of a child? have contemorary artistic representations of boomerangs used purely for sport/leisure been found? as for balls, the first 'balls' were undoubtedly rocks and chunks of wood and the like, the point at which they transitioned from incidental junk to artifice (which i assume to be requisite of anything considered a toy) would be impossible to even approximate... additionally, a simple round formation of durable material is just as likely be a tool of some sort, so you couldnt even claim an artifact to be the 'earliest known' toy ball. —popefauvexxiii 22:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I was just thumbing through Panati's Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things, and happened upon the section for toys. It claims that Yo-yos did in fact exist in china as much as 3,000 years ago--although the first two paragraphs of the section parrot the "YoYo as filipino weapon" fiction, so im not sure how dependable this book is as a source.this website

An interesting collection of images

I stumbled across this page today, and thought it prudent to post the URL here since these images could really add a lot to the article if anybody wanted to take the time to make digital derivs and integrate them... might be a while before i have the time:

http://www.theyoyomuseum.com/museum_view.php?action=profiles&subaction=hybrid

popefauvexxiii 18:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

These are all likely to be copyright, with the possible exception of this one. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC).

Antonacio Flor

The man's last name is Flor he was also in the 1976 Guiness book of world series for tricks. His name was Antonacio 'Tony' Flor. He did live in CA for a long time. It was my grandfather, I would know. You can erase what I wrote but please get your information right. Not Pedro Flores, but Antonacio Flor.

Above comments originally posted in main article by 1Joemoma. Moved here so they can be discussed, sourced and consensus reached. --Tkynerd 00:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
renamed talk section for clarity. This text was originally in "The yo-yo in modern times" brain 10:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Yo-yo talk (slang)

I added the "incoherent" tag to this section because it's, well, not understandable as it is currently written. I don't know whether there really is something called "yo-yo talk" or whether this is just nonsense, so I decided not to delete it in the hope that it might be a real phenomenon and someone else can write something sensible in the section. Otherwise, feel free to delete. --Tkynerd 13:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Rubber yo-yo

I put the cleanup taggy-thing in the rubber yo-yo section. It deviates considerably from the rest of the article in overall quality. Which is to say it declines. I don't have a login here! Rawr! 24.5.168.228 20:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone inclined to clean it up should reference pp. 11-12 of the 2004 PIRG toy safety review found here. They call for a US ban on the toy, but I don't know what came of it. --24.215.188.177 07:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

1A

I fixed the 1A line; it said "looping tricks" when it is accually string tricks. Mines bigger 00:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

"Ancient Origins" clean-up

My gods...reading the entry under "Ancient Origins" was positively painful, as the grammar and content was so poor it seemed as though it had been written by a five year old child!! I can't believe such rubbish is permitted to be exhibited on the main page. I suggest that someone rewrite it at once!! --Promus Kaa 07:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not just the ancient origins. the entire article is in need of cleanup. 203.185.215.190 05:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll go with that brain 09:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I came onto this discussion page solely to make sure someone had made this point. Please, someone cleanup the unintelligible grammar on this whole page! --Mrcolj 22:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll clean up as much as possible right now, but in the future please make your incremental clean-ups to the article rather than simply requesting others do the work for you. Wikipedia is based on a community effort! brain 09:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Law?

I don't see what yo-yos have to do with law. At the top of this talk page there's a WP Law tag which I see no reason for.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

its possible someone added it due to the landmark trademark case involving the term yo-yo. See Donald Duncan. --popefauvexxiii 02:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

A weapon or not?

The article says: "There is no conclusive documented evidence that the yo-yo is derived from, nor even existed in any form intended for use as a weapon." And it also says: "Yo-yos were originally used as weapons by the indiginous inhabitants of the Philippine archipelago."

Which is it? 83.245.172.78 05:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it's safe to put our foot down and say that yoyos were originally used as weapons by philippines. Jackson Smith 21:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


I'm not sure exactly how these were used as weapons, but I'm certainly aware of a way of making a yoyo a pretty lethal if inaccurate projectile. If you put enough spin on it, lift it up into the air, then do a half-loop by dropping your arm under the yoyo and thrusting it forwards in a hard underarm motion, the yoyo will catch the string with such grip and accelleration that you can then let go of the string (otherwise, it will just snap under the force and practically rip your finger off in the process!), and fly forwards along the tangent of the loop for several hundred feet. I once got into a lot of trouble by smashing a yoyo through the ceiling plaster into the attic with this technique. --MeteoriK 14:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I guess I really do need to source this well, because it keeps getting muddled as a result of careless edits. this is how i understand it, and originally wrote it. Yo-yos have never been used as weapons as far as any historian knows. the IDEA of using a yo-yo as a weapon is just that: an obviously intuitive idea... in my research i found an interesting side point that in the phillipines, the same place where the modern yo-yo evolved, the natives used a method of hunting which involved throwing rocks from trees to kill prey. they would attach ropes to the rocks for retrieval, but there was no yo-yo effect per se--some people might consider a rock with a rope attached a kind of "caveman yo-yo," but thats like calling a club a "caveman sword." maybe they got the idea from yo-yos, maybe the yo-yo was a sophisticated variant on this idea, or maybe they were two totally separate but similar things that happened to develop in the same area and the confusion between the two created the legend, but Yo-yos have never been used as a weapon any time in recorded history. --popefauvexxiii 09:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the analysis - I should probably point out I never said that my random-direction flying lethal yoyo-trick was likely to be the way that a yoyo would ever have been used as a weapon. I certainly wouldn't use it in a fight for fear of hitting an innocent bystander and having the shit kicked out of me by both my assailant and a friend of the person who just got hit in the head by an indirectible yoyo projectile. I never got that yoyo that smashed someone's ceiling back. Then again, it's probably highly trivial, but it may be relevant to the article for me to describe how a yoyo can be an utterly useless and indescriminate weapon, even for humour's sake. I can't do justice to explain how hard you can throw these things.
Uhh... one year later Pepsi releases a Mountain Dew commercial that yo-yos were originally used as weapons. What are the odds? Anyway, there are TONS of sources that say yo-yos were used as weapons in the Phillipines. There are also sources saying that the yo-yo is the world's second oldest known toy (doll being the first). Just look up yo-yo weapon. I believe that this should be added.--132.198.252.6 (talk) 04:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Add the info in, along with a citation of a reliable supporting source. A Pepsi mountain dew commercial would not meet the supporting source reliability criteria, but if there is a reliable supporting source among those tons of sources, cite it. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 10:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a new internet video around, like the Mountain Dew commercial, but these actors do an amazing martial arts scene using the yo-yo's string, axle, and the looping tricks to fight a guy with a sword. The moves of the fight using the yo-yo look very stylized and they make it look like the yoyo could be a real weapon.Johnlycos (talk) 04:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm new here. I found sources stating the idea of yo-yos as weapons in the Phillipines is false. I cited the sources. My contribution was removed, and I restored it. Ok? (Les Descuzette (talk) 09:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC))

If no one minds if I chime in on the topic, I'd like to say I appreciate the way it's written right now. It's not usually appropriate for Wikipedia articles to state unproven claims or get involved with disagreements but since this is such a common and significant (untrue) fact I appreciate both sides of the argument being mentioned and with no assertion as to which is correct and I think we should leave it at that. Dancindazed (talk) 09:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Why is an important chunk missing?

I'm not a pro at this stuff so i'd like to make a request. There is no page for the Duncan yoyo company. There is a page for the founder and toy that he produced, but no page about the company. Can someone please create a Duncan Yoyo page about the company? I'll add some stuff if someone can get it started. Please and Thank you, Jackson Smith 21:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Her you go: Duncan Toys Company. brain 06:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Now if everyone is reading this, it would be nice if you could help out too :) Jackson Smith

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