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"Déjà Vu" is a song by American singer Beyoncé, featuring vocals by rapper Jay-Z. It was produced by Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins and Beyoncé for her second solo album, B'Day (2006). "Déjà Vu" is an R&B song, which incorporates elements of the 1970s funk and soul music. Its music is largely based on live instrumentation, including bass guitar, hi-hat, horns, except Roland TR-808 drum machine, which is a non-live instrument. The song's title and lyrics refer to a woman being constantly reminded of a past lover.

"Déjà Vu" was released as the album's lead single to US radio stations on June 24, 2006. The song received generally mixed critical reviews. Many critics noted the similarities of "Déjà Vu" with Beyoncé's own 2003 song "Crazy in Love". Critics commended the assertiveness and the sensuality with which Beyoncé sings the lyrics and compared her vocal delivery to that of Tina Turner in the late 1980s. "Déjà Vu" and its Freemasons club remix version received three nominations at Best Remixed Recording, Non-Classical at the 2007 Grammy Awards. It was recognized as the Best Song of 2006 at the Music of Black Origin (MOBO) Awards.

Commercially, "Déjà Vu" peaked at number four on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart. It topped the Hot Dance Club Play chart, the Hot Dance Singles Sales chart, and the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. The song was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). "Déjà Vu" peaked at number one on the UK Singles Chart and generally reached the top 20 in Europe. The song's accompanying music video was directed by Sophie Muller. About 5,000 fans petitioned online for a re-shoot of the video, complaining about, amongst other factors, the lack of theme, the wardrobe choice, and the seemingly sexual interactions between Beyoncé and Jay-Z.^[1]

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Can you please unblock my account from Wikipedia? You may know that I did not include sources in my edits, and I sincerly apologise for that. I have made a commitment to including sources in my Wikipedia edits when I do get unblocked.

1996Larry

Hi 1996Larry, per your UTRS appeal, please follow the procedures found at {{2nd chance}}. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 08:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Kevin, the information in {{2nd chance}} is very complicated to me, as I have Asperger's syndrome, and I might need someone else to give me some help. - 1996Larry

I don't respond to emails about matters that should be discussed here. You can't be unblocked until you can demonstrate that you understand how to add sources to articles. Is there someone on your end that can assist you in understanding the instructions above? (they can't edit for you or otherwise use this account) 331dot (talk) 10:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: 331dot, the good news is I have just given a demonstration of adding sources to articles. I have added a citation to an excerpt from the page "Déjà Vu (Beyoncé song)", using proper dates and web adressess.

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UTRS appeal #23163 was submitted on Nov 06, 2018 17:57:15. This review is now closed.

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Please follow the instructions above. No need to open any further UTRS tickets as you have talk page access. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 18:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: Have they met you conditions for unblock?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Outside of his sporting life Enright worked as a caretaker at Mary Immaculate College.^[1] He was married to Birdie and had three sons and a daughter.^[2]

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Request reason:

I want to be unblocked as I have accepted full responsibitly for what I have done on Wikipedia. My block was not in error, and I know that I was blocked for a good reason. I now understand that the reason why I was blocked was because of my repeated refusal to include sources in my Wikipedia edits and I apologise sincerely for that. I now accept that what I have done was not morally right and that the administrator who blocked me was being fair and meant well. I now intend to change my actions and commit to using sources in my future Wikipedia edits. I have done some editing demonstrations on my talk page, taking excerpts from two different Wikipedia articles which lack a reliable source. I used at least one or two sources in both excerpts and made sure that they were entireably reliable.

Decline reason:

This is a procedural decline; duplicate unblock request. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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• I have no objection to an unblock if a reviewer sees merit in one. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Thanks for telling me, 331dot. Hope I get a big approval from the reviewer. - 1996Larry

• Comment - @331dot, Dlohcierekim, TheSandDoctor, and Jmcgnh: In 1996Larry's review (above) of Déjà Vu (Beyoncé song), the source 1996Larry cited appears to have little relation to the text it is intended to support. As well, in 1996Larry's review (above) of Leonard Enright, the text in the existing Wikipedia article reads (unsourced) "Outside of his sporting life Enright worked with Mary immaculate college. He was married to Birdie and had three sons and a daughter." 1996Larry located two sources to support the text (Enright died a few days ago and the UK papers are filled with obituaries). Also, Enright didn't work "with" Mary Immaculate College (as benefactor or reverend), he work "for" them (as a caretaker). I'm not sure how these two edits demonstrate competence. I'm also concerned about a new user, User:Poimoi, who has made just one edit here. It is the same edit I kept reverting when 1996Larry kept adding it prior to his block (along with a host of IP addresses from the same location in England). The edit summary was "The page has been out of date for so many weeks when so many people rely on it. It's a shame. Respect the truth, please leave the edits". Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:12, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Magnolia677, I've done as best as I can on editing these excerpts, and I've used the best sources possible. I've just fixed up the Leonard Enright excerpt, putting in that he "worked as a caretaker in Mary Immaculate College", which is mentioned in one of the excerpt's sources. I'll try and do another excerpt, and this time I'll include more than two sources. In relation to Poimoi, he needs to learn that he cannot reverse edits like I used to do. He can learn from my mistakes. - 1996Larry

I would ask if you could accept the idea that "the best sources possible" might not be good enough, or might not say what you think they say? 331dot (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: 331dot, I do accept the idea that "the best sources possible" might not be good enough. However, these sources I used were not unreliable and told the truth. I'll use proper sources in my future Wikipedia edits. - 1996Larry

• Please stop emailing me about this matter. As the administrator who blocked you, I prefer to leave this for someone else to review. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: No worries, 331dot. I'll be much more careful editing Wikipedia pages in the future.

As you disregarded my request that you not email me, I have removed your ability to send email. It will be restored if and when the block is removed. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: No problem, 331dot. I'm not angry at you for removing my ability to send email. I'll keep in touch if there's anything you want to remind me about. - 1996Larry

"Eastside" is a song by American music producer Benny Blanco and American singers Halsey and Khalid.^[1] The song was released on July 12, 2018 as Blanco's debut single.^[2][3] The single has peaked at number 18 on the Billboard Hot 100.^[4] Outside of the United States, it reached number one in the United Kingdom, Ireland, New Zealand and Singapore, and number two in Australia and Denmark.

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I want to be unblocked as I have accepted full responsibitly for what I have done on Wikipedia. My block was not in error, and I know that I was blocked for a good reason. I now understand that the reason why I was blocked was because of my repeated refusal to include sources in my Wikipedia edits and I apologise sincerely for that. I now accept that what I have done was not morally right and that the administrator who blocked me was being fair and meant well. I now intend to change my actions and commit to using sources in my future Wikipedia edits. I have done some editing demonstrations on my talk page, taking excerpts from three different Wikipedia articles which lack a reliable source. I used at least one or two sources in all excerpts and made sure that they were entireably reliable. Once again, I apologise for my repeated disruptive editing on Wikipedia. My mission is to improve several Wikipeida articles which need reliable sources.

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Where is your citation that the single reached number two in Australia and Denmark? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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Please heed 331dot's advice and be patient. Your request is already in the queue. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Thanks, Starcheerspeaksnews. - 1996Larry

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Reply: Thanks very much for sending this message. Unfortunately, I am currently blocked from editing Wikipedia, so I won't chance voting this time. - 1996Larry

"Tears" ("Tears for Souvenirs") is a song written by lyricist Frank Capano and composer Billy Uhr,^[1] and was first recorded by Rudy Vallee in 1929.^[2] It was made famous in a version recorded by Ken Dodd, released as a single in 1965. It reached No. 1 in the UK Singles Chart for five weeks and became the UK's best-selling single of 1965, as well as the UK's third-biggest selling single of the 1960s.^[3] The song also reached No. 1 in the Irish Singles Chart.^[4]

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Request reason:

I want to be unblocked as I have accepted full responsibility for what I have done on Wikipedia. My block was not in error, and I know that I was blocked for a good reason. I now understand that the reason why I was blocked was because of my repeated refusal to include sources in my Wikipedia edits and I apologize sincerely for that. In my last edit, an excerpt from the Wikipedia page on Ken Dodd's song "Tears", I gave the source for its chart position in Ireland. I decided to improve my commitment to including sources in my edits after I forgot to include the sources for the Australian and Danish chart positions in my edit on an excerpt from the Wikipedia page on Benny Blanco's "Eastside", which is the reason why my last unblock request was denied, and I accept full responsibility for not including them.

Accept reason:

The above text looks properly sourced to me. I believe this fulfills TheSandDoctor's second chance offer, and blocking admin 331dot has stated above that they have no objection. -- Scott (talk) 04:56, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@Scott Burley: Sounds good to me. Welcome back 1996Larry, if you ever have any questions, please feel free to reach out. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at List of UK top-ten singles in 1980. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply: My apologies, Magnolia677. I promise to adhere to your advice from now on. Would you try and edit the pages yourself? - 1996Larry

You have demonsrated that you are capable of properly sourcing your edits. There is no reason for you not to. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Thanks, 331dot. Could you assist me in completing the UK top ten single and album pages and advise me what sources to include? - 1996Larry

I am not knowledgeable in the history of the UK music charts or music, nor do I know appropriate sources to use. If you don't have appropriate sources for your edits, you should not make the edits, pure and simple. I presume you are getting this information from somewhere; if you need assistance in adding it to an article, ask on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 17:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page you created, List of UK top 10 albums in 2015, was tagged as a test page under section G2 of the criteria for speedy deletion and has been or soon may be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

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An article you recently created, List of UK top 10 albums in 2015, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It appears to still be in draft form and needs clean up and expansion. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Polyamorph (talk) 18:13, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at List of UK top-ten singles in 2018. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Magnolia677, the page List of UK top-ten singles in 2018 does cite some sources, mainly from the Official Charts Company, which is why I edited it. I have made a commitment to including sources in my Wikipedia edits. Pages that have not been edited for a long time should be updated regularly. I get angry when my edits are reversed. Please don't warn me again. - 1996Larry

Your latest edit to that article added Kodak Black. Could you please tell me where this is sourced in the article? The link to the Official Chart Company does not cover 2018. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Magnolia677, the Kodak Black entry is sourced at the Official Charts website, as well as his Wikipedia discography. Please don't reverse my edits again. I am editing with good faith, and I can tell you that I never add any false information to any Wikipedia page. - 1996Larry

"The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL." Please stop your disruptive editing. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Magnolia677, I want you to help me update the page List of UK top-ten singles in 2018. You may not have a good knowlege of UK chart history like I do, but I want you to find some sources that may support this page. It cannot just be left alone. - 1996Larry

Larry, you have now be warned twice for not providing sources, the same exact reason that you were blocked. If you continue, you will be blocked indefinitely because you are showing you do not understand why you were blocked in the first place. Rule of thumb: if you want to add something but cannot provide a reliable source for it, do not add the information until you do, even if you know it is correct. There is no deadline, so don't try to rush. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at List of UK top-ten albums in 2011, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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With this edit you deleted the source to support this information. What is now the source to support it? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply: Hello again, Magnolia677, I have re-added the source I removed earlier from the page List of UK top-ten singles in 2018. I apologise for initially removing it, as I believed that there was a sufficient source to support the information. - 1996Larry

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Reply: Thanks for reminding me, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars}. - 1996Larry

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Hi Mate, hope you’re well. Could you help me out with my current project, List of artists with the most UK top-ten albums, I have made a good start and obviously if you spot I have made any mistakes you can correct them, and add artists to the table. Please add a reference from the Official Charts website each time.

The minimum for the table is 10 top 10s, like for the top ten singles page, and individual acts get a spot if they have appeared on albums with more than one band or as a solo artist (e.g. Gem Archer of Oasis, Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds).

I have a question mark over Lindsey Buckingham, who was on some Fleetwood Mac albums but trying to work out which ones, as well as solo work, and also Christine McVie is included in the personnel section on a couple of their early albums but not officially credited, I have included those within the figures for now. 03md 11:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply: Hello again, 03md. I'm more interested in updating the UK top-ten singles and albums pages from down through the years.

By the way, I was wondering if it would be possible for us to change the peak dates of the top-ten singles and albums pages from "week ending" to "week starting", as "week starting" would be the actual date the song entered the top-ten.

Example: 4th January 1975 (week ending), 29th December 1974 (week starting)

We already know that the consensus is that we should use the dates given by the Official Charts which are the week ending dates, but I would much prefer if the week starting dates were used to give the exact date when the songs and albums first entered the top-ten. Besides, the Offical Charts are not always 100% accurate online.

I have no problem at all with the week ending dates on Wikipedia, but I prefer the week starting dates.

Looking forward to hearing from you again very soon, 03md. - 1996Larry 11:33, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

TBH the consensus has been reached, and it would mess up a lot of pages if we started changing it to week-starting. I know the OCC sometimes get things wrong but the week ending is their policy. I would focus on finishing the last few albums chart pages from the 1950s and making improvements that need to be made to others, like adding entries by artist and chart debuts. 03md 22:04, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply: Hello again, 03md. I don't disagree with you about the fact that week ending is the policy of the OCC and also the fact that changing to week starting would mess up the pages, but I would much prefer if week starting was included instead of week ending. I'm glad though that you are focusing on finishing the last few albums chart pages from the 1950s and making improvements that need to be made to others, like adding entries by artist and chart debuts.

Looking forward to hearing from you again very soon, 03md. - 1996Larry 06:19, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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Reply: Thanks for your advice, Ss112. - 1996Larry, 08:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Larry, there are a couple of problems with your edits on these articles.

1. Some of the older charts, such as 1967 in film have a rental chart. Box-office rental is a different metric to box-office gross. Rentals were the primary metric prior to the 1980s and unfortunately box-office grosses are not available for all older films, but rentals are and hence why they are used on pre-1980 lists. We have to take care that rental charts are not misrepresented as box-office charts.
2. The other problem is the replacement of "domestic" charts with "worldwide" charts for the 1970s and 1980s. The reason domestic charts are used for this era is because a complete set of worldwide grosses are not available, If you look at the 1977 chart you will see that BOM only has worldwide grosses for three films; it doesn't even a foreign gross for Smokey and the Bandit which was a huge global hit at the time. Mixing worldwide and domestic grosses is nonsensical, and misleading. BOM only has full worldwide charts from 1988 onwards so please don't replace the domestic charts prior to 1988 with worldwide charts.

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Reply: Thanks for telling me, Betty Logan. I'll be very careful when making edits on the film pages from now on. - 1996Larry, 15:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome, 1996Larry. I appreciate you are only trying to improve the articles and you've done quite a bit of good work. Betty Logan (talk) 16:01, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm in the process of expanding this article. The film was pre-released (not premiered) on December 23, 1952 in New York City and on December 25, 1952 in Los Angeles. Then it was copyright in February 1953 and officially released in March 1953. The point of the pre-release was to make it eligible for Academy Award and other awards consideration for the 1952 calendar year, and by the time it opened in March, it had already won a bunch of awards. Still the copyright date is 1953, and that's what the page name and categories should say. Best, Yoninah (talk) 19:55, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Reply: Hello there, Yoninhah. The film's copyright date is actually 1952. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi-i9IT_kPI. - 1996Larry 19:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, look at that. So why does AFI list it as 1953? And why does the man who testified before the United States Senate, Monopoly Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Small Business, emphasize that it was pre-released, not premiered in 1952? Yoninah (talk) 20:03, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Reply: Yoninhah, the AFI website is not always accurate. The IMDB website, in my opinion is a much more accurate website. - 1996Larry 20:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanations. Now one more question: Why are you disambiguating with the studio name? Why not return to Come Back, Little Sheba (1952 film)? Yoninah (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Reply: Yoninhah, Wikipedia won't let me return to Come Back, Little Sheba (1952 film), because a redirect already exists and it cannot be deleted automatically. - 1996Larry 20:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

You could ask for an uncontroversial technical move at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Uncontroversial technical requests. Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Reply: Thanks for your advice, Yoninhah. - 1996Larry 21:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi 1996Larry, I hope you're well. Could you please explain why you add non-existent peaks of songs to List of UK top-ten singles in 2021? I have just reverted your recent addition, and it's not the first time you've done so. Please could you kindly not add peaks of songs which have yet to chart, and wait for the official chart update on Fridays? Even if there is a chance they could chart. This is a violation of of one of Wikipedia's core guidelines, WP:V, and is also misleading. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. AshMusique (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Reply: Hello there, AshMusique. Thanks for reminding me about add non-existent peaks of songs to List of UK top-ten singles in 2021. I'll remember not to do it again. Thank you. - 1996Larry (talk) 18:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Please don't use generic edit summaries like "Updated page". Use the edit summary to say what the edit you are making is for and why. 71.62.227.79 (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I have added a reference on the Dermot O'Neill page. 1996Larry (talk) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this would be very helpful. Just saying "Updated page" really tells us nothing. Please be more specific. Addypreston (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Why did you remove The Red Shoes as the top grossing film released in 1948? Among available references, the one that was already cited on that page was the Finzer book, but you just deleted all of that entirely from the list a few days ago. What's more, you then proceeded to cite that same Finzer book and same page as the source for earnings for The Paleface, a few spots lower on the list. This is wildly inconsistent.

You also changed Cass Timberlane from 1947 to 1948, though Cass Timberlane opened in NYC on November 6, 1947. Although its national release was not until January, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences rules it's considered a 1947 release.

You should not be making haphazard and arbitrary edits like this. I am still finding numerous references that you cited repeatedly over the past two years to the Variety Oct 1990 "All-Time Film Rental Champs" article, (all saying page M-150, which is just the letters "Cal" to "Clo" in middle of the article), to movies that are not even in that list! You need to go back and clean up your edits. You can't just make up sources for your numbers and leave a mess in your wake. Addypreston (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, Addypreston. I have just re-added The Red Shoes to the highest-grossing movies list of 1948. Whenever I make mistakes in my edits, I usually clean them up. Whenever I add a film's gross in, I always include a reference, but sometimes, the gross may not always match that reference, and I apologise for that. I'll try not to make mistakes like that again. Anyway, Addypreston, keep up the good work. 1996Larry (talk) 18:53, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

If the gross does not match the reference you cite, you should use neither. It makes no sense to give a statistic and cite a source for it that statistic that is false. If you add data, give your exact source so that it can be confirmed by anyone wishing to do so. If you can't provide a reliable source, DON'T add the data. That's where you're running into trouble. Just don't do it.

Likewise, it's shaky to use sources like that Fragias Kindle book, since its sources are not given and not verifiable. The Hollywood Story book by Finler and other similar books are okay when nothing else is available, since at least they name what sources they use for their data, although not on an item-by-item basis. But I think it's better to even verify which source they are using and use that, if available. The Joan of Arc movie that you removed from the 1948 is a good example of why. The Finzer book uses the $4.1m domestic estimates from Variety and Box Office Review, but the RKO ledger shows what is likely the more accurate $2.5m in domestic and $3.5m in foreign receipts. Addypreston (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

FYI, I added a web-linked Variety reference to the 4 movies that also referenced the Finler book on that 1948 in Film page. Although Variety updated some of its estimates over the years, this 1954 list should be useful. Because of the revised estimates over the years, I usually consider the later lists like the 1990 one to be more accurate. The downside is that those later issues are not available in archive form on the web, so unless you have the issue or access to one of the few libraries that have it in microfiche archives, it's more difficult to pull up a copy to find the actual reference. Addypreston (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Addypreston. Keep up the good work and enjoy the rest of your week. 1996Larry (talk) 21:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Larry, you always need to bear in mind that the contemporary Variety rentals were often estimated; in the instances where they were provided by the studio they were often inflated to generate good publicity. They are better than nothing but many of the ledgers from that period are in archives and we can source the exact amounts (which is probably why you are finding the numbers don't always match up). You have the Eddie Mannix ledger for MGM, the Schaeffer ledger for Warner, and ledgers are also available for RKO and Fox. If the gross is sourced to a ledger (or a text that sources a ledger, such as Jewell for RKO) please don't replace it with a Variety estimate. You have done a lot of valuable work on these articles over the years and that is very welcome, the charts are in better shape than they used to be, so thank you for all your effort. If you ever need a second opinion you are always welcome to drop me a line. Betty Logan (talk) 03:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for giving me a compliment, Betty. Chat to you again soon. 1996Larry (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

1996Larry, at 8:29 on July 21, just 3 hours after this previous conversation, you posted that SAME incorrect Variety link for the October 1990 list in the narrative for It Happened One Night. (1) The link is INCORRECT, but you've insisted on pasting it into movies over and over for the past two years when you have nothing better to use, and (2) that list you cited is NOT of Initial Release rental numbers, as you chose to state in that article. It is a list of cumulative rental receipts through that publication date (1990). WHY do you keep using that link when you've already been told several times that it is incorrect? If you don't have access to the source material, DON'T cite it as your source! Addypreston (talk) 05:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, Addypreston. I didn't realise at the time I edited the article that the 1990 Variety list contained cumulative rental receipts, and not initial release numbers. I'll remember to always use correct sources whenever I am editing. 1996Larry (talk) 06:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Addypreston: Can you please clarify what you mean by "incorrect"? Does the source have incorrect figures, or are they just cumulative? I agree it's problematic to misrepresent cumulative totals as initial release totals (especially in articles such as 1934 in film where the chart order can become distorted by later release grosses) but I don't see the harm in recording the cumulative total in the film article provided it is not misrepresented as a lifetime total. Most film articles include lifetime totals where they are known. Betty Logan (talk) 23:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Three issues: an incorrect citation, an incorrect statement in the article regarding the citation, and the deletion of a previous and valid statement and citation.

A valid citation stating that it was "Columbia's biggest hit until the 1980's" was deleted entirely and replaced with a statement saying "During its inital release, the film earned $1,366,000 ..." That statement was accompanied by a citation to page M150 of the Oct 15, 1990 issue of Variety magazine. This same link to page M150 has popped up in numerous articles I've seen in the last month or two. I have this Variety article, which is an alphabetical list that spans pages M-140 to M-196. Page M-150 has only movies starting with "Cal" to "Clo". That part of "incorrect" in this case is minor, since the earnings number quoted from this list indeed matched, just on an entirely different page.

The problem is that half the time I've found this exact citation for page M150 pasted into articles, the movie in question is NOT even in this article's list. In other words the citation is entirely false in those cases, and I've repeatedly found myself cleaning it up. Just two days ago I deleted the same citation from 1941's Road to Zanzibar and Nothing But the Truth (irony noted) because those movies are NOT in that Variety list and the numbers given could not be backed up. And in every case I've found, this specific "M150" Variety link was posted by 1996Larry. You can find discussion between us on this issue on the AddyPreston talk page in a conversation originated by 1996Larry where I'd been helping him out, but this issue arose on July 9 when I was surprised to realize he was the one who'd posted all those incorrect M150 citations I'd been finding.

The other incorrect part is that the number was stated to be from "During its initial release...", which is NOT accurate at all regarding this Variety list that gives cumulative domestic rental earnings. If he does not have access to this article at all, he should not be using it as a citation. It appears it is being used as a "generic" citation pasted in when nothing else can be found. And the fact that a valid citation was deleted entirely to make room for this incorrect statement makes matters even worse. Even if the new information was correct, it could easily have been worked in alongside the previous statement and citation. I see no need to delete previous valid information. Addypreston (talk) 04:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

There are obviously several issues that are feeding into each other. I addressed one of them above: I don't think the inclusion of cumulative totals is a problem provided they are presented in the correct context. As for the issue regarding sourced information being deleted, this seems to be a very specific complaint and the appropriate way of dealing with this would be to restore the information if you think its removal is unwarranted, or start a discussion on the article talk page if you want to discuss the matter. Larry could have a good reason for removing this claim, although he really should have provided a reason for removing sourced content. For the remaining issue, perhaps Larry could confirm whether he actually has access to this particular source? If he does not then I would remind Larry of WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT, in that you should only attribute information to a source if you have actually consulted the source yourself. Betty Logan (talk) 10:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

1996Larry, that was wise to edit The Lives of a Bengal Lancer back to the previous box office reference. I went in and added the actual Variety domestic rentals from the 1990 list, which was $1m. I also deleted several sentences in the box office section that were added in January 2019 by an anonymous user, with all kinds of wacky box office links (Mannix, RKO, Warner, Quigley) that had nothing at all to do with this movie (a Paramount feature). Weird.

You should re-check Adventures of Marco Polo, as that one is not in the 1990 Variety list at all. Addypreston (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

You should also check 1935 in Film, as the Variety 1990 figure for Lives of a Bengal Lancer is just $1m, not $1.5m. I do not have the Welky book, so it's only an assumption at this point that the $1.5m figure quoted there is for worldwide receipts. I do have that Sedgwick list, and it does indeed show it as the highest grossing 1935 film in the U.K. in that list (#1 and #3 were the 1936 features Modern Times and Mutiny on the Bounty), so those receipts could well account for the difference.

In my data, I have Bengal Lancer down closer to #30 in the U.S. for the 1935 releases. I'm not real comfortable getting into the top 10 lists of each year quite yet, as I do have films in my list that *might* be in the top 10, but I consider the sources insufficient to make that conclusion. That's why I'm spending a lot of my "rabbit hole" time these days trying to find corroboration. For 1935, The Bride of Frankenstein is one that *might* be in the top 10 but there's insufficient data at least in what I've found so far. Ignoring Bride, if Bengal Lancer slips out of the list, then The Littlest Rebel bumps up to #10. Variety Oct 1990 has that one at $1.431m (page M-170). Addypreston (talk) 23:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for replying to me, Addypreston. I just felt like re-editing the "Lives of a Bengal Lancer" page, as I felt that some of the information put down recently was incorrect. Anyway, keep up the good work and enjoy the rest of your week. 1996Larry (talk) 06:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

1938 in Film: If I Were King is not in the 1990 Variety list. I'm still trying to find a good source on Paramount movies from that era. Let me know if you come across anything.

However, these 1938 films ARE in the Variety list and if that list is accurate they would show in your top 10. All five of these appear in the list with exactly $2 million as the estimate for domestic rentals. I wish we had better sources.

The Buccaneer

That Certain Age

Three Loves Has Nancy

The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

Men with Wings

I haven't checked the Wikipedia pages of these yet, but if any show promising box office sources other than this, let me know.

Here's a generic citation you can use to cover that entire Oct 1990 article/list (enclose it in double braces and ref /ref)

cite magazine|date=October 15, 1990|title=All Time Film Rental Champs|magazine=Variety|issn=0042-2738|pages=M140-M196|first=Lawrence|last=Cohn

Catch up to you later. Addypreston (talk) 22:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, thanks very much for replying to me. "Three Loves Has Nancy" was released by MGM, so you could probably locate the domestic, foreign and worldwide rentals for that movie using the Eddie Mannix Ledger. 1996Larry (talk) 05:35, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Interesting. That one is not in the Mannix ledger copy I have, which is the appendix from the Glancy article in the Historical Journal of Film, Radio, TV. The actual Mannix ledger in the Margaret Herrick library has more than what is listed in the Glancy document. The ledger supposedly goes through 1962, but Glancy's appendix ends at 1948. I imagine that any omissions before 1948, if there are any, would be those of less significance. I've heard that access to the actual physical documents is a bit tricky. Addypreston (talk) 02:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

No worries, Addypreston. If you ever do come across films in top 10 grossing films of the year lists that have the 1990 Variety "All Time Film Rental Champs" list reference but are actually not in that list, you can remind me about it and I'll remove them from those lists. Thanks again for replying to me. 1996Larry (talk) 05:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know what to make of the fact that Variety in Oct 1990 does have each of the five movies above at $2 million domestic rentals, which would put them in positions 6-10 on your chart. Two are from Paramount, one from Universal, that one from MGM that's not in the Mannix list, and Tom Sawyer from United Artists. There's a UA book by Balio that might have the answer to that last one. The ones you do have in positions 6-10 are all under $2 million, but their numbers are from the actual studio ledgers. Do we go with Variety's numbers for Universal, Paramount, etc., where we have nothing better? Addypreston (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

1996Larry, for The Plainsman (1936) you cited "Birchard 2004" as your source for budget and gross. What is that? It appears to be a citation for a book that is not in the references to that page. Addypreston (talk) 01:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

1937, you added Thin Ice to the top 10, with the correct citation that Variety 1990 has it at 1.59m.

BUT, the same issue of Variety also has:

Lost Horizon at 3.5m

The Hurricane at 3.2m

The Prisoner of Zenda at 2.5m

and the following all at 2m:

Waikiki Wedding

A Star is Born (you have that cited incorrectly as 1.8m from the same issue)

Topper

Nothing Sacred

Elephant Boy

Back to the question a few comments up.... lacking any better source, do we use the Variety numbers or not? And if yes, using the 1.59m they have for Thin Ice doesn't make sense to use over the other movies where they have much higher estimates, unless we have valid data somewhere that shows those other numbers as being incorrect. Addypreston (talk) 01:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, thanks again for reminding me about the 1937 films in the Variety 1990 list. Just to remind you that the book "Female Celebrity and Ageing: Back in the Spotlight" by Deborah Jermyn gives the domestic gross for The Prisoner of Zenda as $1,250,000. As I said, I'll remove any films from the top 10 grossing films of the year lists that have the 1990 Variety "All Time Film Rental Champs" list reference but are actually not in that list. Keep up the good work. 1996Larry (talk) 06:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Do you have access to that book, "Female Celebrity and Ageing: Back in the Spotlight"? They will usually give the sources they used for information like that in their own bibliography. I don't see that reference of $1,250,000 anywhere that I can find. Is there a reference elsewhere to that particular book? Addypreston (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, you can find "Female Celebrity and Ageing: Back in the Spotlight" on Google Books. The reference to the film making $1,250,000 is on page 20. Anyway, thanks again for replying to me. Hope to chat with you again soon. 1996Larry (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Um, 1996Larry, you have to read more carefully than that! The exact quote from the book is "Colman received a base salary of $150,000, plus a 10% cut of any profits from the film after it grossed $1,250,000." In other words, if the film grossed $2,250,000 (I made that up as an example), Colman would receive $150,000 plus 10% of the $1 million above $1,250,000... which means she'd be paid $250,000 total. The quote is about her contract and has nothing to do with what the actual gross for the film was.

I thought maybe you found a quote from elsewhere in the book than what's available in that sample. Apparently not. Addypreston (talk) 19:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The Selznick book says the budget was $1,250,000. Is that what you were thinking of? Addypreston (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Not too sure, Addypreston. Anyway, thanks again for getting in touch. Keep up the good work. 1996Larry (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

1996Larry, The General premiered in December 1926 in the U.S. December 25 and 26, from what I see. Addypreston (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

You're actually right there, Addypreston, because, according to IMDB, the film opened in El Paso on Christmas Day, and in Bridgeport, Connecticut the following day. It didn't open in New York until 5th February 1927. Thanks again for reminding me. 1996Larry (talk) 18:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm looking at IMDB, which has this: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017925/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_rdat

I'll check that Meade book though. It's on Hoopla. Addypreston (talk) 18:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

It's possible that IMDB is incorrect, so let's check that reference first before you change it back. Addypreston (talk) 18:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay, 1996Larry, I've got the eBook and the scoop. At least according to this book, which goes into much detail, IMDB appears to be wrong. That's not too much of a surprise, as it's not unusual to find mistakes on that site. IMDB is good but not perfect.

According to the Meade book, The General did indeed have "its first screening" on Dec 31, 1926 at two theaters in Tokyo, which is why technically it is called a 1926 film. The American premiere was supposed to be January 22, 1927, but it was delayed due to the other film Flesh and the Devil being held over. It opened in New York on February 5, 1927, and subsequently was considered a flop. "The General seemed to be the Heaven's Gate of the twenties."

According to Meade, The General cost over $750,000 and its domestic gross was $474,264. "The picture would not show a profit until it was rediscovered some three decades later."

Unless some reference is found to back up the Texas/Connecticut openings in IMDB, I think this book appears to be a much better source. Addypreston (talk) 20:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Totally agree with you there, Addypreston. As I've already mentioned, if you come across films in top 10 grossing films of the year lists that have the "All Time Film Rental Champs" reference but are actually not in that list, you can message me about it and I'll remove them from those lists. 1996Larry (talk) 20:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

In 1927 in Film, you only have a partial citation to the Meade book. That reference is to the bibliography at the bottom of The General Wikipedia page. So you either should copy that bibliography reference, or (better), convert that citation to a book citation since it's the only spot where it's referenced on that page.

HOWEVER... You actually should delete The General from the 1927 list, as according to my spreadsheet there are 12 movies in the Eddie Mannix MGM ledger that grossed more than The General and are not on your list. I'll pull up the actual references and try to get those numbers for you in the next hour or so. Addypreston (talk) 20:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Addypreston. Chat to you again soon. 1996Larry (talk) 20:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Check the Wikipedia pages I edited for Love (1927), which grossed $946,000 domestic, and The Student Prince of Old Heidelberg, which grossed $894,000 domestic. Both from the Mannix ledger. The other ones I have are all less that $700,000 gross, which although more than The General would not make your list.

I'm still not comfortable editing those year in film lists myself, as I don't have sufficient data for a definitive top ten. But you can copy the Mannix citations off either of the above pages. It's 2 citations, since the actual ledger is in a separate document containing the appendix to Glancy's article.

London After Midnight is also in the Mannix ledger, with the $721,000 you have already, so you can add the Mannix citations there if you want.

The King of Kings is in the Oct 1990 Variety list with $2.6 million as its estimated domestic gross. Lucas's Blockbusting has it at $2.7 million. Addypreston (talk) 21:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for replying to me, Addypreston. Chat to you again some other time. 1996Larry (talk) 05:58, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding 1928 in Film, 1996Larry, you should go back in the edit history and look at your very first revision from June 15, 2020, when you actually had strong citations and accurate numbers. Compare that to what you have now. Other than the addition of Lilac Time, your list and citations were much better back then. Could this be the same case with some of the other years? Addypreston (talk) 16:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I suppose you're right, Addypreston. Like I've said many times, feel free to remind me of any films that I've added to top 10 grossing films of the year lists that have the Variety 1990 reference, but are actually not in the Variety 1990 list, and I'll remove those films from those top 10 grossers lists. 1996Larry (talk) 16:49, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

1928, The Circus. You had the correct amount in June 2020 when you edited the page, but somewhere along the line you changed it and botched the citation, using that one that you've randomly used when you had nothing else. Addypreston (talk) 19:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, that $3.8 million gross for The Circus was actually its worldwide gross, taken from the June 21 1932 edition of Variety. I got the $1.2 million domestic gross from the unreliable Leonidas Fragias ebook and added the 1990 Variety reference. If the reference does not match the gross, I'll remove it from the 1928 top 10 grossers list. Could you tell me how much The Circus actually grossed in U.S. and Canada rentals in 1928? 1996Larry (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I should add that the 3.8 million number only appears in the June 21, 1932 issue of Variety ('Big Silent Grosses'). There *may* be later reliable sources that give a different number. One thing that calls that number into question is that movie's omission from the Oct 1990 Variety list. Addypreston (talk) 19:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me that The Circus is not in the 1990 Variety list, Addypreston. I'll remove it from the 1928 grossers list straight away and instead add On Trial. 1996Larry (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I've got several more books arriving this week. I will make sure The Circus is on my watch list for other sources. I just saw this morning that June 2020 is when you changed all the year in film box office headings from "Worldwide Rental" to "Box Office Gross Rental". Actually "Box Office Gross Rental" is much less specific, as it doesn't specify either worldwide or domestic, so it just leaves readers to guess.

I saw that you went as far as 1987, changing those later years from "Domestic Gross" to "Box Office Gross". That change also makes the numbers that follow more vague than they were. 1988 and later they are all "Worldwide Gross". I think the more specific terms are better, since the reader then knows exactly what they are looking at. Whether worldwide or domestic is more useful, I can't say. And it's difficult when some films have only one of those two numbers available. Maybe separate columns for worldwide and domestic, leaving one column blank if that number's not available? That might solve a lot of problems. Addypreston (talk) 19:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again, Addypreston. You have been a great help to me in fixing up the top 10 grossers lists on the film pages. Feel free at any time to remind me of films that I've added to these top 10 grossers lists that are actually not in the Variety 1990 list, and I'll remove those films from the top 10 grossers lists. 1996Larry (talk) 19:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

One Hour With You (1932) is not in the Variety 1990 list but you posted it as such. Addypreston (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Yet another: Belle of the Nineties (1934) Addypreston (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, Addypreston. I'll remove these films from these lists now. 1996Larry (talk) 05:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Done that, Addypreston. Perhaps you could check the top 10 grossers lists on the film pages from the 1940s and see if I have included films with the 1990 Variety reference but are actually not in the 1990 Variety list. Reply to me whenever you get a chance. 1996Larry (talk) 05:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Might be a few days before I get to those 1940s lists, but I'll try to look over those when I get a chance. I was cleaning up some 1930s data in my own database. Have three books arriving today, hopefully with some helpful details. Addypreston (talk) 17:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries, Addypreston. I myself will check the 1920s lists to see if there are any movies with the 1990 Variety reference that are not in the "All Time Film Rental Champs" list. 1996Larry (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

As you should. With all due respect 1996Larry, YOU are the one who has been sprinkling random citations haphazardly around Wikipedia for the past two years, using them whether you know they are valid or not. I keep stumbling on instances randomly while looking up various movies and finding they are your edits. There are thousands of movies on this site. I'm not going to waste my time hunting through those thousands of movies just looking for ones that you falsely edited!

It is entirely improper for you to be using citations like that Variety list that you don't have; I've seen that again just weeks ago you've edited some of those same incorrect citations (adding "US and Canada"), knowing that when you posted them earlier they were just something you'd randomly chosen. And now you expect others to clean them up for you? I see that you were blocked from editing Wikipedia once before for just this type of thing with music pages. I suggest that it's YOUR responsibility to go back through your own editing history or whatever list you used to choose those movies and remove all those false citations that you yourself posted. It's not my place nor anyone else's to sit around and clean up your mess.

I'll let you know when I stumble on one of them here or there, as I've been doing. But it seems clear that I'm just hitting the tip of an iceberg, and the iceberg is YOUR problem to fix. Addypreston (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

That said, I've seen that you are doing a lot of good work with your editing too, and I will help as much as possible when I have time to do so. If you are unsure whether certain movies are on that Oct 1990 Variety list, you can send me lists of title/year and I can check and let you know whether they are on it and the correct page citation to use. It may sometimes take a few days, but I can do a dozen or two at a time.

In the meantime, what do you think of the idea of adding a column to those tables in the "year in film" pages? Use the headings "Domestic Rentals" and "Worldwide Rentals", since we have both for many of the movies, and just leave one column blank when we just have one number or the other? I see that there was just some editing back and forth on It Happened One Night for exactly that lack of clarity. Should we try mocking it up on one of the years to see how it looks and works? Is that something you'd like to try? Or shall I try the mock-up? Addypreston (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, I wouldn't like to mock-up if I were you, but thanks again for replying to me. Keep up the good work. 1996Larry (talk) 05:28, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, here are the films still on the top 10 grossers lists that I want you to let me know if they are on the 1990 Variety list or not:

1919 - Male and Female

1920 - Over the Hill to the Poorhouse, The Mark of Zorro

1921 - Orphans of the Storm, Little Lord Fauntleroy

1922 - Douglas Fairbanks in Robin Hood, When Knighthood Was in Flower

1923 - Scaramouche, Little Old New York

1924 - Monsieur Beaucaire, The Iron Horse

1925 – Don Q - Son of Zorro, Little Annie Rooney, Madame Sans-Gêne

1926 – Old Ironsides, The Black Pirate, The Cohens and the Kellys

1929 – Welcome Danger

1940 – North West Mounted Police

1941 – In The Navy 1996Larry (talk) 13:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

1919 Male and Female... 1.2m p. M-170

1920 Mark of Zorro 2.5m p.M-172

1921 Orphans... 1.8m p. M-176

(the Little Lord Fauntleroy in the list is dated 1936)

1923 "Robin Hood" (starring Douglas Fairbanks) 2.5m p. M-182

1923 Scaramouche $1m p.M-182

1924 Monsieur... $3.5m p M-172

1925 Don Q... $2m p. M-154

1926 Black Pirate 2m p.M-146

1940 Northwest Mounted... 2.5m p.M-176

1941 In the Navy 2m p. M-166

The others are not in the list.... Addypreston (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, Addypreston. I'll start editing the film lists right now. 1996Larry (talk) 17:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, do you have any idea if the films The Son of the Sheik (1926) and Buck Privates (1941) are in the 1990 Variety list? Reply to me whenever you get a chance. 1996Larry (talk) 15:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Son of the Sheik $2m p.M-186

Buck Privates $2m p.M-148 Addypreston (talk) 16:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again, Addypreston. Son of the Sheik and Buck Privates were re-released in 1937 and 1948, respectively, according to IMDB, so they would have reached their $2 million grosses by then. 1996Larry (talk) 16:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Springtime in the Rockies 1942 is not in the 1990 Variety list. Your "Revision as of 11:54, 31 August 2020" deleted the Solomon book citation which was accurate and replaced it with the Variety citation that does not exist. You should switch it back to the Solomon citation. Addypreston (talk) 21:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

(Solomon has 3.5m) Addypreston (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Addypreston. I will switch it back right now. 1996Larry (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, are there are other films from 1932 in the 1990 Variety list? As you known, I already have The Sign of the Cross and A Farewell to Arms in the 1932 top 10 grossers list. 1996Larry (talk) 09:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Just to remind you as well, the Variety 1990 list gives the grosses for Cecil B. DeMille's films The Buccaneer and North West Mounted Police as $2 million and $2.5 million, respectively, but the book Cecil B. DeMille's Hollywood by Robert Birchard does not actually give the grosses for either film. Now that is puzzling. 1996Larry (talk) 16:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I see several films from 1932 in that list, but I've got the Mannix ledger down as my primary source for a bunch of them. Besides Farewell to Arms, I also have The Big Broadcast and Shanghai Express at $1m with Variety as my primary source, which is probably that 1990 issue, but could be from earlier issues. I can check if you need a citation. Also have Back Street at $900,000 from Variety, but that's most likely from a different issue.

Regarding DeMille, not puzzling, as the accounting notes used in the Birchard book were from DeMille's secretary and those notes only went from 1925 to 1928. There were a few numbers from later movies in the text that were from other sources, but a lot of gaps. Addypreston (talk) 17:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Just checked from my own curiosity. All 3 of those movies, The Big Broadcast (1m), Shanghai Express (1m), and Back Street (0.9m) are from the Oct 1990 Variety issue. Back Street is one of the few exceptions where they listed something at under $1 million, but there's another 1961 Back Street at $3m, so it may have been to avoid misinterpretation. Addypreston (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Two thumbs up on changing the headings to "Domestic Rentals"! Well done. Addypreston (talk) 18:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Addypreston. George Lucas' Blockbusting book says that Shanghai Express earned $1.5 million in worldwide rentals, while the website pre-code.com gives its domestic earnings as $800,000. 1996Larry (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Blockbusting on p.164 has Shanghai Express with "Domestic Box Office Revenues" at $1.8m. (They also adjust it to 2005 dollars for comparison, but I omitted that here.) Note that the 1.8m is their adjustment from rentals to "Box Office". They explain in the beginning of the book that from 1930 into the 80's they use a fixed ratio of 45-55%, with 45% being the rental fee to the distributor. So that translates to $810,000 in rentals (45% of 1.8m), which corresponds to that pre-code website you also mention. In the narrative on p.165, Blockbusting also states the $1.5 million in worldwide rentals, which implies about $700,000 foreign. That's in the right ballpark when you compare it to the domestic/foreign ratio from some of the ledgers of the time (Mannix, Schaefer...). Addypreston (talk) 20:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me, Addypreston. Anyway, keep up the good work and enjoy the rest of your weekend. 1996Larry (talk) 20:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Addypreston, I was wondering if you could locate the foreign and total worldwide rentals for The Fighting 69th. I believe the domestic rentals it earned were $1,822,000. 1996Larry (talk) 06:24, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Schaefer ledger has dom 1.822m + foreign 491,000 = total 2.313m for The Fighting Sixty-Ninth (1939-1940 release year) Addypreston (talk) 22:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again, Addypreston. Any idea if there are other films from 1934 in the 1990 Variety list? I've got all the 1934 films with reliable references in the top 10 grossers list of that year so far. 1996Larry (talk) 06:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

And, I was wondering if you could locate the domestic rentals for the 1943 film Hitler's Children. Make sure to reply to me whenever you get a chance. 1996Larry (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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I have never once seen you update Australian chart peaks on here... can I ask why you immediately updated the number one the minute the charts were released? It would have gotten done within the next few minutes. Not saying you did anything wrong, but you don't need to rush to do it when you don't ordinarily touch Australian chart information. Ss112 07:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

My apologies, Ss112. I wouldn't normally update Australian chart peaks unless I come across information on the website. Thanks for getting in contact with me anyway. 1996Larry (talk) 07:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi 1996Larry. I can see someone's discussed this with you previously, but why are you updating this page before the UK chart is announced on a Friday afternoon (e.g., adding new entries to the top 10)? While there are chart updates published, this is all just speculation (i.e., not fact) until the official chart is announced on a Friday. AlligatorSky (talk) 11:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, AlligatorSky. Thanks very much for reminding me about updating the List of UK top-ten singles in 2023 page. In future, I'll only update the page after the chart is announced every Friday. 1996Larry (talk) 13:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. You said that you were going to stop updating the page before the chart was announced on a Friday (as it's not fact until then), but you're still editing the page with speculative updates... AlligatorSky (talk) 13:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@AlligatorSky My apologies, AlligatorSky. It looks more than likely Kenya Grace will go to number-one on Friday, but as for the other songs, where they may end up, I don't know. Thanks for getting in touch. Kind regards. 1996Larry (talk) 13:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

But why add songs to this page at all (and update the other tables on the page accordingly) before the chart is announced on a Friday? The page should reflect fact, and you are presumably updating this based on information from midweek chart information; which is all subject to change until the chart is published on a Friday. AlligatorSky (talk) 13:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@AlligatorSky You're right there, AlligatorSky. No one can be sure where songs will exactly end up until the chart is announced. From now on, I'll only edit the top ten singles page AFTER the chart is announced on Fridays, and I'll keep my promise. 1996Larry (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Why are you still doing it? AlligatorSky (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

AlligatorSky, "All I Want For Christmas Is You" and "Last Christmas" usually re-enter the top 10 in the first week of December, but as for the other Xmas hits, no one knows where they are going to end up. Songs usually get into the top 10 nowadays because of streaming. If a song was number-one on iTunes, but not in the Spotify charts at all, I wouldn't add it to the 2023 top-ten singles page. I am so sorry if I didn't keep my promise to you. Besides, most of the top 10 singles from this period of late 2023 will almost certainly re-enter the top 10 in the second week of 2024. New Christmas releases generally don't chart as high as the classics do. From today, I'll keep my promise and will only edit the top 10 singles pages after 5:45pm every Friday. 1996Larry (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

You're still doing it now, please stop. AlligatorSky (talk) 13:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@AlligatorSky Yes, AlligatorSky. I AM still doing it. Thanks for getting in touch. 1996Larry (talk) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Why though, when you've repeatedly said you're going to stop? AlligatorSky (talk) 14:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Editing pages on Wikipedia is, for me, like an addiction, AlligatorSky. It's not always easy to keep your promises. The reality is, it's not every week that songs enter the top 10. Anyway, thanks for messaging me back. Sorry if I let it slip too often when editing. 1996Larry (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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Larry, I add the Australian charts to Wikipedia every week and have done so for 10+ years. Finding that you've recently started jumping ahead of me to update the number one is unnecessary. You don't need to do it; it will get done within minutes. Please don't interrupt people who were already in the process of updating charts. There is plenty more on Wikipedia you can do. I'm sure you can find something. Thanks. Ss112 07:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

No worries, Ss112. Massive congratulations anyway to Shaboozey on topping the Australian charts with "A Bar Song". 2024 will be remembered as the year country music invaded the international pop music charts. 1996Larry (talk) 07:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Please explain your contributions using a descriptive edit summary. Changing information on Wikipedia (such as numbers and dates) without explanation may be confused with vandalism. Please don't use generic edit summaries like "Updated page". Use the edit summary to say what the edit you are making is for and why. Thanks! DoctorMatt (talk) 22:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much, DoctorMatt. I would never make an edit on a page without adding a reliable reference or source. From now on, whenever I am editing a page, I won't use "Updated page" in the edit summary. 1996Larry (talk) 05:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I notice that you keep adding Nice to Each Other by Olivia Dean as a top ten single on List of UK top-ten singles in 2025, this has not happened yet and as such is against WP:CRYSTALBALL. Please stop adding this in until it has been confirmed by Official Charts Company. Thanks. MSalmon (talk) 08:04, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for messaging me, MSalmon. "Nice to Each Other" is doing extremely well on Spotify in the UK, but, of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that it will chart in the top 10. Even if a song like "Pink Pony Club" by Chappell Roan falls dramatically down the charts, it can still accumulate tons of streams and remain in the Spotify top 50 for a considerable amount of time. While sales and downloads still play a factor in chart placement, streaming has dramatically overtaken both of them in the last few years. If a song is doing very well on iTunes, but not very well on Spotify, I do not add it in to the List of UK top-ten singles page. From now on, I'll only add songs to the list on Fridays after the chart is announced. 1996Larry (talk) 08:17, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Adding a single to this article because it is doing well on Spotify and iTunes doesn't necessarily mean it will get in to the top 10 until it is confirmed on Friday by the OCC (you even said it yourself). You can either add the songs in while the chart is playing or after but NOT before when the chart hasn't even taken place yet. Thanks. MSalmon (talk) 08:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Sometimes, if a song opens at #1 or #2 on Spotify, it can fall to #49 the next day and completely disappear from the top 50 the day after that. Always be cautious. 1996Larry (talk) 09:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

See what I mean about "Nice to Each Other", it didn't reach the Top 10 when you kept adding it to the list. MSalmon (talk) 16:40, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, MSalmon. What a fool I am. 1996Larry (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Once again, you are adding information in which hasn't even happened yet, I have already told you before to wait until Friday to update anything MSalmon (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Some other Wikipedia user called ROKO13 was editing the page with me earlier on, MSalmon. Thanks for removing my edits. Sorry for all the hassle and commotion. 1996Larry (talk) 17:30, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, "I Run" by HAVEN. never made the Top 10 (let alone Top 40) this week so we can't just assume anything. MSalmon (talk) 17:31, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

That's an understatement. It's dropped out of the top 100. Sorry for adding it in. 1996Larry (talk) 17:51, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

In at Number 56 with a bullet, as they used to say! AnOrdinaryBoy (talk) 23:53, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL so why do you keep adding in songs that haven't made the top 10 yet. We have already been through this to wait until Friday when the chart is announced because I have had to remove them since we can't predict how the sales will go. Thanks. MSalmon (talk) 19:17, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

MSalmon, you should not remove any songs I've added. Many songs that were in the top 10 last week have dropped out. I know for a fact that Kylie Minogue's XMAS will 100% be in the top 10 this Friday. 1996Larry (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

How do you know that? MSalmon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Because, according to the Official Charts Company's website, it is currently 7,000 units ahead of Wham!'s "Last Christmas." (https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/kylie-minogue-leads-official-christmas-number-1-single-xmas-together-for-palestine/) 1996Larry (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

I will make edits to the page myself if anything changes by tomorrow evening when the Official Singles Chart Update is revealed. 1996Larry (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

We shouldn't really be updating it until Friday MSalmon (talk) 19:29, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

That could all change by Friday MSalmon (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

It could even change by tomorrow. Streaming plays a massive part in a song becoming a top 10 hit. 1996Larry (talk) 19:26, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

This is not the first time you have been told about this, am I not wrong? MSalmon (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

It's me that's wrong, not you. As I've just mentioned, I've reversed my edits. 1996Larry (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

I've bowed to your pressure and have now reversed the page back to its present form. 1996Larry (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

One again, you are updating it before Friday. Why? MSalmon (talk) 19:19, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm not changing the chart peaks, MSalmon. And I will not be creating the List of UK top-ten singles in 2026 page until the next charts are announced at 5:45 pm on Friday, 26th December. 1996Larry (talk) 19:22, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

But I saw you are updating the number of weeks MSalmon (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

I apologise for changing the weeks. But, as I've said, I won't create the 2026 top-ten singles page until the next charts are announced. Whilst the Official Chart First Look has Gwen Stefani's "Shake the Snow Globe" at number 10, I seriously doubt that the song will climb into the UK top-ten this Friday, as it is an Amazon Music exclusive, and streaming overwhelmingly dominates the charts. 1996Larry (talk) 19:27, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

That's fine and we can't guarantee that Gwen Stefani will make the Top 10. Don't forget it's the Chart of the Year between 2pm and 6pm on Boxing Day so this weeks chart won't be online until 5.45pm. MSalmon (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

I'll be taking it easy on St. Stephen's Day, which is what we in the Republic of Ireland refer to 26th December as. When the 2nd January 2026 charts are published, all the Christmas songs will be gone from the chart, and a large amount of 2025 top-ten hits will climb back up into the top-ten. 1996Larry (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

I have already told you before, STOP updating information before Friday. MSalmon (talk) 11:21, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

My apologies. Another user called ROKO13 created the List of UK top-ten singles in 2026 page, and they even used unsourced editing, but to a much lesser extent than me. I take full responsibility for all the edits I do on Wikipedia. 1996Larry (talk) 11:25, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

I now have to fixed everything that was made by you two, so thanks alot. MSalmon (talk) 11:28, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

No worries, MSalmon. I am undoubtedly the worse of the two people when it comes to making unsourced edits. ROKO13 isn't even as bad. 1996Larry (talk) 11:35, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Can you do me a favour and update the 2026 page to reflect the current chart (week ending 25 December). Thanks. MSalmon (talk) 11:39, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes. 1996Larry (talk) 11:57, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, the albums should be the same too MSalmon (talk) 12:00, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

I haven't even created the List of UK top-ten albums in 2026 page yet. I'll create it when the next charts are announced. When it comes to albums, many of them that are listed in the top 10 of the Official Albums Chart Update never make the top 10 at all. 1996Larry (talk) 12:02, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi, article need updating to reflect this weeks chart. Thanks. MSalmon (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

I'll have it updated ASAP. 1996Larry (talk) 20:12, 2 January 2026 (UTC)