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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Aftermath of World War II. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Response to above: Firstly, I have no intention of starting a 'Wikipedia war' with anyone. I have no idea who the subject writing team, or editors are, and it is not clear who I should contact to discuss my contribution. I am new to this form of web-contribution. Just to delete it or paraphrase the contribution, does need some explanation I would have thought? Long Ben Avery.

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Long Ben Every, I appreciate your willingness to work in good faith. On Wikipedia, the "team" is whoever wants to improve the article, so consider yourself a member of the team. The above warning just means that, instead of changing something back to what you want over and over, you should try participating on the article's talk page, as GraemeLeggett writes above. For more on editing on Wikipedia after GraemeLeggett's excellent suggestion of Help:Contents/Getting started, have a look at the tutorial. There's also more in depth discussion about editing and developing articles. I'd also recommend you look at the five pillars to get an idea of the overall ethos. If it's overwhelming or if you still don't feel you know where to start, consider requesting mentorship. Welcome to Wikipedia! Lagrange613 (talk) 18:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Long Ben every - thanks for your edits to Francis Brerewood. You need to identify a source though - where is your information coming from? Thanks in advance - Asteuartw (talk) 11:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello Asteuartw - have now included references as suggested -although they are repetitive.

Hi Long Ben Every, thanks for that - the page looks much better now. And you are right, the citations are a bit repetitive, but it is still important to show where the material is sourced. This helps subsequent editors identify what is serious, sourced information that should not be deleted. You should really do the same for Thomas Brerewood, which suffers from the same problem. Happy editing and good luck! - Asteuartw (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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I am new to 'adding images' to Wikipedia, and was trying to attempt the process, but not progressing far. The image was to add to the Horst Weber Wikipedia file as relevant material. This image has been floating around the internet for some years and I am not clear as to copyright source at the moment. It must have been taken around 1943, he signed the photo so it suggests 'given to one of his admirers, friends or family', and he died in 2007. Probably a clear-out of old family effects? I suspect the image became part of post WW2 material that appears in 'image or postcard' exchange fairs for collectors. This is my speculation. Any suggestions would be helpful. The Horst Weber image is featured on the 'Gentleman's Military Interest Club' site -gmic.co.uk It's a Militaria Forum for the discussion of Military Collectables, Medals, Decorations and Awards. The actual page is: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/user/4267-erichb/

Hi, Long Ben Every. As you have no doubt seen, I share your interest in improving this article. But, personally, I do not see the Notes column as the right place for extended info about individual escapes, or for the promotion of books (other than in citations, of course). I would suggest that a lengthier account, eg, of Campo 78, Sulmona, would warrant a separate article (cf. Stalag VII-A)—and that's the end result we should be aiming for. That way, the present article can remain as a handy and brief list, as intended, but with wikilinks to the fuller articles where appropriate. Your recent edits also tend to provide original research without citations, which should therefore be removed under Wikipedia guidelines. We can look for suitable references, but I still think you should be developing that content into separate articles in a sandbox (with a text file copied and kept on your own PC) for launching when they are ready. I plan to do the same with Campo 54, Fara in Sabina which especially interests me. If you are serious about contributing, you should also register as a user. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 00:32, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Brian, Yes I agree with you. I was doing other research (see Vincigliata PG12) and added bits of material to Italian POW Camps -I should be more disciplined Kind regards Long Ben Avery.

I see, yes, you've done a lot of work there. May I suggest that you could have a separate main article titled, say, "Campo 12, Vincigliata" and link it in as per this example? (I notice, too, that this in turn has a main-article spinoff for escapes!) That way you could avoid 'drowning' the distinguished castle subject in its 1941-43 POW history. Just a thought. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Please continue to improve this article. Get it to the level of the Italian version please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Standard2211 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC) This is work in progress to improve English version page Long Ben Every (talk) 11:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Unless you improve the article soon, it will be tagged for deletion. Very nice progress !! Thank you. You might want to add categories in the end so that it is easier to find Standard2211 (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)Thank you. I'm working on this. Kind regards Long Ben Every (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)Long Ben Every

Thanks for you addition to the article on Michael Gambier-Parry which is valuable. Please could you reference it to the source (which I assume is MI9 Escape & Evasion) and in particular the page number(s) in the source. Otherwise valuable details like this will have to be deleted. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC) I'm glad you found the addition material useful. However I have already referenced the books and page numbers in all my contributions to the page?Long Ben Every (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)(User talk:Long Ben Every)

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Have done as requested, thanks for pointing it out. Long Ben Every (talk) 13:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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What a patronising and unkind response. Is that all you can say? What material are you referring to? It is inevitable that some material relevant to some Wikipedia subjects such as 'Derek Bond' are featured on the web. However they are clearly referenced and linked. It could have done with further editing which I was working on - but to delete the entire material apart from some basic copy is 'high -handed' to say the least. I understood Wikipedia was built on consensus. What right have you to do this? Long Ben Every (talk) 11:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC) The original page had (and now does) a note at the bottom stating 'This article about an English actor or actress is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it' That is what I was doing in good faith. A lot of research work went into that. Long Ben Every (talk) 11:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Long Ben Every. Re your edits to Derek Bond: the trick with copying and pasting text from 3rd party websites is to re-word it. You can keep the substance of the text, but just make sure you re-write it so as not to be in breach of copyright. It takes more time, but that way your edits won't get reverted. All is not lost! Good luck and happy editing Asteuartw (talk) 12:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks for your kind and helpful comments. I will note that in future. Long Ben Every (talk) 13:45, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I would define "patronizing" for you and explain why incivility isn't appropriate here on Wikipedia, but that would be patronizing. Likewise, I think it should be obvious that copying and pasting text from other websites doesn't fly, either. You are new here, so expect to make a few mistakes, so ask for help when you need it, listen, and learn. Editing Wikipedia can be fun - or frustrating, depending on your approach. Rklawton (talk) 13:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Dear Mr Lawton, your point is taken. However, you do have an unfortunate manner trying to explain things, too clever by half, -see above comments and learn. Long Ben Every (talk) 13:45, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I've been editing here nine years, and I'm an administrator. If you walked into a pub for the first time and started doing things all your own way and then smarted off to the regulars, I think you could expect to be tossed out on your ear. While I have the authority to do that, I'd rather just help you learn the ropes. Rklawton (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Mr Lawton, clearly you are very important person with the power of life and death over a new boy like me. My point was, and still is, -if in the first place you'd explained as an 'Administrator' I needed to change or edit the copy for the 'Derek Bond' page, I would of course have done it willingly. Perhaps giving me a little time to do it. Just to delete without much explanation was not a way to help me, as you say you wish. That is why I challenged you. The independent explanation from 'Asteuartw' (see above) was helpful and I've leant from that. Incidentally not all the material was 'cut & paste' -many factual items were sourced from written sources. I will attempt another edit of Derek Bond and I would ask you to put away your 'six-shooter' for the time being.Long Ben Every (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Your previous edits are still available in the article's edit history. You can look them up and copy/paste them into the newest version without having to recreate your lost work from scratch. But by all means, avoid any edits that were copy/pasted from another website. Rklawton (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Mr Lawton for telling me where the copy 'body' is buried. I'll remember your advice when I exhume it.

No worries. These ease of access to prior edits is the main reason we're comfortable removing potentially problematic edits - restoring worthy edits requires very little time and effort. Rklawton (talk) 14:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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Apologies I will amend accordingly Long Ben Every (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hi again, Long Ben. Er, it's interesting but rather trivial (and in no way a 'reference' to the article) that there's an omnibus called Tommy Farr in Brighton. Next time I'm over there, I must seek it out from nostalgia--because my dad went to school with Tommy in Clydach Vale. Are you planning to bring all of the named buses into Wikipedia? If so, you might try doing it in an article about Brighton buses, and just linking to the famous names. Anyway, no hard feelings, I have to revert this one because it's quite out of place and IMHO contributes nothing of encyclopedic note to the Tommy Farr article. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 04:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Brian, Fair enough - although it was a piece of trivia -it is fact. Brighton & Hove is a very cosmopolitan city and has been celebrating famous (dead) personalities who lived in the city on the front of buses as well in a 'Star pavement walk' in the marina for years. My though was this acknowledgement of a famous Welsh boxer - would add some factual information to the article. I too was born in Wales, and my mother remembers his 'big' pre-war fight in New York, everyone was huddled around the wireless. Long Ben Every (talk) 09:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that you are the principle editor of SS Volendam. You may recall that an editor expressed concner about close paraphrasing back in December. I see you made some subsequent edits, but IMO, the article and the sources are a not too close for comfort. As you are familiar with the subject matter, would you be willing to take a crack at it? (I am working on the items listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems, and the backlog is literally hundreds of items, so I'd prefer to concentrate my editing on article whether the editor is no longer around.

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you can see that there are still a number of multi-word phrases appearing in both. Some phrase are inevitable, surely there is more than one way to express the thought in "gave the order to abandon ship and despite rough seas all 18 lifeboats got away safely".

The other source seems to be less of an issue, but here is the report:

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Hello, Yes I have contributed to SS Volendam -and will have a look at the editing issues. I am involved in other writing at the moment with deadlines -so bear with me if I take some time. Regards Long Ben Every (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Matty.007 -you interupted the page whilst I was editing. It had only been 'on air' minutes. Give me a chance matie! Long Ben Every (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, that is a problem with the new pages feed. (But it is good to get an idea of things.) Matty.007 13:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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