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Harriet Harman succeeded Brown not Miliband
The infobox is wrong to state that Ed Miliband succeeded Brown as Labor Leader.
As it was Harriet Harman instead serving for an interim period pending the election of the new permanent leader which turned out to be Miliband.
Harman's interim leadership should count for something. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 13:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Done This has now been corrected. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
It still says Ed Milliband at the bottom. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Also Done. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Emir of Wikipedia: Actually let's put the breaks on that since consensus has yet to be established. This is, in fact, a common misconception which does not pay credence to article precedents nor internal party rules. This is reflected on Harman's page where it states that her role as Leader of the Opposition was ratified but her role as acting Labour leader was merely a pragmatic move due to her role as deputy. Ditto for Margaret Beckett's article. Alex (talk) 13:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- This has nothing to do with the position of Leader of the Opposition as I just stated elsewhere on this page that Brown did not serve in that position after losing the election.49.3.72.79 (talk) 16:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Whether it is called pragmatic in regards to Harman the fact still remains is that Miliband wasn't leader in the immediate period after Brown's resignation, readers might be misled in thinking that Miliband succeeded Brown when the latter's resignation came into effect.49.3.72.79 (talk) 16:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
the fact still remains is that Miliband wasn't leader in the immediate period after Brown's resignation
Correct but neither was Harman. I know it's quite confusing but my above reasons are why we have this precedent.
- Whether it is called pragmatic in regards to Harman the fact still remains is that Miliband wasn't leader in the immediate period after Brown's resignation, readers might be misled in thinking that Miliband succeeded Brown when the latter's resignation came into effect.49.3.72.79 (talk) 16:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
First defeated Prime Minister who did not serve as Leader of the Opposition
It should be stated in the article that Brown became the first defeated Prime Minister who did not then serve as Leader of the Opposition. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 13:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- We would need a WP:RS to make that claim. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
If you want reliable sources how about Wikipedia itself. I cross referenced this with the Leader of the Opposition (United Kingdom) and the UK election articles to find that all other Prime Ministers who were voted out then served as Leader of the Opposition. Brown however did not serve as Leader of the Opposition after losing the election, a fact of which is presented in this article itself.49.3.72.79 (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source, but thank you for trying to help. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Frankly this is no different than being asked to provide evidence to an answer for a simple math problem. It simply isn't needed. I asked that you don't quote me with anymore Wikipedia rules because I don't feel you understand what I am getting at by doing that. It seems to me there are one of two reasons why are a defeated Prime Minister would serve as Leader of the Opposition. The first is the belief that a former Prime Minister can reclaim the premiership. The other reason is to fill in the position for a stop-gap period until his party chooses his successor as leader. Whether it is for one of the two reasons I have just outlined, a former Prime Minister as Opposition Leader would use this position to defend against criticism from the current Government on what he did when he was Prime Minister. Brown evidently expressed no interest in reclaiming the premiership and chose not to wait for his party to choose his permanent successor hence not becoming Leader of the Opposition in the meantime. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 13:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
