Talk:KSI

The shopksi link seems to go to some gambling site or something and I believe this has nothing to do with KSI. I have no authority to remove this but recommend it should be removed. Correct me if I am wrong but definitely doesn't seem like KSI's shop website. 2401:7000:CD09:3900:8A6D:6B18:AEBA:4C1F (talk) 08:03, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Very rarerly MF Pro is an actual pro boxing match.

It should either be seen as exbition boxing or its own catagory MF Pro.

A lot of people use wikipedia as primary source and this cause confusion to some people who dont know much about fighting.

Anthony Taylor is a good example he has a lot of pro boxing matches but also MF Pro matches making his record quite complicated Boxrec its own category for MF Pro while Sherdog lists them as Exhibition Boxing Panini03 (talk) 08:00, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - MF-Pro bouts and BoxPro bouts are both professional boxing bouts, both utilizing the same ruleset, and both being fully sanctioned. "MF-ex" are exhibition bouts. The reason why each "MF-professional" is included in the notes tab is to differentiate the two, which was discussed and closed here a year ago.

Also, Wikipedia is not a primary source, as per WP:NOR. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 18:23, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

There's a clear difference between Professional match and a misfit boxing match. They dont need to keep to the boxing gloves rule and also other rules like judges, referee's and quality of opponent and no credible record holder seems to reconize it as a professional match. Boxrec, Box Live and Fight Fax don't reconize it why should we? Panini03 (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

If your reverting my edit could you respond? Other trusted accounts have also argued for what i have on Not pro fights? and also Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/MOSGuidelines says we should follow boxrec. Panini03 (talk) 12:31, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

My apologies for not responding sooner. You are referring to an archived version of this discussion thread, while yes people have argued whether or not to include the MF-pro bouts in the professional tab or not, Talk:KSI/Archive 3#Separating Professional bouts and MF-Professional bouts in record was determined that it should have a note to distinguish the pair.

Wanting to separate the MF-pro and MF-ex bouts further confuses the reader. To maintain both accuracy and clarity, it is more consistent with WP:CONSENSUS and MOS:TABLES to keep MF-pro bouts in the professional table. If we were to separate the two, then every single bout on 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 in Misfits Boxing will have to have a note stating it's an MF-professional bout, which further adds cluttering. The note is a distinct indicator to the general public that it's not a traditional pro bout. As that'll mean a Pro, MF-pro, MF-ex, exhibition, and amateur table.

MF-pro bouts are professional bouts, your earlier argument claimed they are not sanctioned, hence why you added the note that Taylor vs Ericsson is. However, they all are fully sanctioned bouts. The only reason it's listed as a Box-pro is because it utilizes is a US sanctioning body. Every MF-pro bouts has judges, sanctioning bodies timekeepers, officials, require proper weight matching, etc. KSI vs Fury, Virgo vs Mitchell, Anderson vs Olvero, Price vs Mansilla, Anderson vs Squeira, and Mitchel vs Hemphill all utilize the same sanctioning bodies as the rest of the undercards, the only reason why its listed as a Box-pro is because they wanted the rankings to be affected.

Final point, the websites you mentioned are not reliable at all. Box Live and Fight Fax are independently ran and do not work directly with the commissions. If we were to use that logic, then YTBoxRec lists them as normal professional bouts, which is not true. BoxRec has them listed as MF-Pro bouts, so Wikipedia indicates it with the "MF-professional" table. Per MP:NPOV, WP:CONSENSUS and MOS:TABLES. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 10:04, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response.

IBA pro also has its own split table on wikipedia Jesse Espinas, Albert Pagara, Albert Batyrgaziev as examples. And fighters who go cross sports also often have a lot of table's like Ben Askren. Boxrec is also independent but is largely reconized as the best and true record holder.

I would say merge MF-Pro and MF-ex into one to avoid confusion or list them all under exhibition if 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 in Misfits Boxing needs to be edited it should be done, better than providing the wrong information

YTBoxRec seems to be the only one that lists them as pro but they also only focus on YT Boxing while other focus on either boxing or martial arts in general. BoxRec has them in their own category because its not pro boxing, ff it was it would be under the pro boxing category. Only BBBofC can license the fight in the UK so if that didnt happen its not a pro fight.

There also have been pro Boxing matches of misfits in the UK like Darren Till Vs. Luke Rockhold and more fights on the event as well so that doesnt seem like they arent unable to sanction fights in the UK, they probably either didnt follow the rules or didnt have the qualifcations to do so.

If you could provide some sources to why its pro boxing it would help instead of speculation and your personal opinion.

Acording to this rule Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/MOSGuidelines#Professional_boxing_record it says stick to boxrec.

Could you provide an example from MP:NPOV, WP:CONSENSUS and MOS:TABLES about why it aplies to this discusion because i dont see any reason why it does. Panini03 (talk) 11:38, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

I was not made aware of the IBA-pro bouts having separate tables despite being in the same boat as MF-pro. In that case, I support separating the MF-pro and Box-pro bouts into two different categories. However, I must insist on the fact that MF-pro and MF-ex must not be included in the same table. MF-ex are truly exhibition bouts while MF-pro are fully sanctioned bouts. Here is the proof of this claim

Here is how I propose depicting the tables going forward; using Darren Till as an example:

=== Professional ===

More information 1 fight, 1 win ...

1 fight	1 win	0 losses
By knockout	1	0

Close

More information No., Result ...

No.	Result	Record	Opponent	Type	Round, time	Date	Location	Notes
1	Win	1–0	Luke Rockhold	KO	3 (6) 1:01	30 Aug 2025	Manchester Arena, Manchester, England	Won inaugural MFB bridgerweight title

Close

=== MF–Professional ===

More information 2 fights, 2 wins ...

2 fights	2 wins	0 losses
By knockout	1	0
By decision	1	0

Close

More information No., Result ...

No.	Result	Record	Opponent	Type	Round, time	Date	Location	Notes
2	Win	2–0	Darren Stewart	UD	8	16 May 2025	Vaillant Live, Derby, England
1	Win	1–0	Anthony Taylor	TKO	6 (8), 1:05	18 Jan 2025	Co-op Live, Manchester, England

Close

As for the occasional MF-ex bouts, they should be included in the exhibition table, just as it is on Vitaly Zdorovetskiy. For the 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 in Misfits Boxing articles, if the event is predominantly MF-pro bouts, then it shall be stated at the start, with the Box-pro bouts being Noted in the fight card table.

What is your verdict Panini03? I appreciate our discussion on this matter and how we can improve future crossover boxing events in the future. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 16:12, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for that.

I agree with all the points your making the MF-Ex bouts can be included into the exhibition table.

I think in most if not all events it already says MF–professional crossover boxing, i think this is fine exhibition boxing is a sort of professional boxing it just doesn't count to the record. and since the popularity of MF-Boxing i think its fair to have its own table.

Im more thinking about how we should do those that have both pro boxing and pro MF matches still in the MF organization like in Anthony Taylor (fighter) i included Samuel Ericsson in both tables. But if its a pro boxing match should i or should i not include to the MF-Pro record? I think if i do add them it might become a bit too big but having someone who switches from MF-Pro to Pro boxing constantly might make it harder to read the record and see their title defenses / fights etc..

And for records in the 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 Misfit boxing pages. should we include both records? Like for example Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor they use both his MMA and Boxing record, should we do the same for boxing and MF-Pro. Panini03 (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

For the tales of the tape section, I say leave it as it is. As it currently stands, both records are together, but a note is informs the user of the different record bouts. (For example; On BoxRec, Taylor's professional record is 3–3 (2 KOs) and his MF-professional record is 4–1 (1 KO)).

This is done to ensure that the user knows the difference, but keeps it inline with how Misfits Boxing promotes the records as one being. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 20:15, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Okay that is fine.

And for box pro under the misfit banner? Include it into both MF-Pro records or stay true to Boxrec?

Sometimes it happens they matches also get noted as boxpro on boxrec after being MF-Pro for a while.

Probably because of sanctioning. Panini03 (talk) 08:09, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

No, keep BoxPro bouts in their Professional table and MF-Pro bouts in the MF-Professional table. Since we are following BoxRec, it makes no sense to have BoxPro bouts be in two different tables. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 12:48, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Okay i wil keep to that. Thank you. Panini03 (talk) 07:22, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - separating them makes it more confusing for the general public lol. Just keep it as it is it makes sense to just have it listed under the note tab KSIvsJakePaul (talk) 18:49, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Giving the wrong information isnt confusing for the general public? At least put it beneath exhibition boxing as it doesnt atribute to the professional record. Panini03 (talk) 07:04, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Oppose it'll just make things more confusing for the general public. Just leave it as it is, the note differentiating is fine enough 2A00:1D34:7C20:EA00:2136:B557:BD29:F51B (talk) 06:54, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Support: There’s absolutely no reason to confuse people more by leaving exhibition bouts in a professional boxing record table. Every boxer with a pro career who has fought exhibition matches have separate record tables for each. It’s always been that way here, I don’t see why we would make a special exemption for MF Boxing. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

I disagree here as these bouts are not exhibition bouts. BoxRec itself does not classify MF-pro bouts as exhibitions, only as a separate different version of professional boxing. HYP-pro, as an example, clearly states its an exhibition (the lablening for Paul vs Davis) The only reason as to why they aren't listed as Box-pro is due to the monopoly that the BBBofC has over the UK sanctioning. The bout between KSI and Fury was listed as Box-pro but retained the exact same judges, ruleset, sanction body, timekeeper, officials as the remaning MF-pro undercard.

MF-ex bouts are exhibitions, as those bouts are not sanctioned bouts by a governing body. Including both MF-pro and MF-ex bouts together in the exhibition table will further confuse viewers, per MOS:CLARITY. GhaziTwaissi (talk) 09:41, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Seeing as his use of the p slur in 2023 has not been added, along with various other controversies, suggests a lack of information. I understand that there is an already existing part of controversy, however, this is already quite long, and adding the further controversies would make it longer. That's why I'm proposing that we add Controversy as a section itself - perhaps under the YouTube career, and add those controversies. W!K!M3D!A (talk) 12:41, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

change height from 132 to 125 Pellewikip (talk) 11:23, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

Do you have a source? — SimmeD (talk) 11:29, 7 January 2026 (UTC)