Talk:Temple Israel synagogue attack

title Rokerekor (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't think it's being used anywhere as a source. Guettarda (talk) 23:38, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

@Guettarda It's currently being used as a source of background. Its current inclusion hurts the credibility of the article altogether, as the ADL has a strong tendency to conflate antizionism with antisemitism.

Conceptually, I totally agree with the inclusion of context about levels of antisemitism, but I'm not sure about appropriate sources. Maybe hate crime reporting from the federal government is a more properly distilled representation? Maxtheax (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Per WP:ADLPIA, the ADL is considered GUNREL for topics related to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the intersection of that conflict with antisemitism, due to its role as an advocacy organization and prior issues with publishing misleading claims. Since this statistic was sourced solely to the ADL, I have removed it. If a high-quality independent secondary source reports the same statistic, it could be reintroduced. Paprikaiser (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

@Paprikaiser, It only counts as anti-Zionism if the synagogue was Zionist? Israel in the name doesn't necessarily mean Zionist, e.g. 2024 Melbourne synagogue attack was a synagogue with "Israel" in the name and a non-Zionist congregation. But even if it's not a Zionist synagogue, there are other ways to describe it such as "revenge", "retaliation", "racism", or "collective punishment", so "Antisemitism" still needs attribution. Late Night Coffee (talk) 21:52, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

It has been proposed in this section that Temple Israel synagogue attack be renamed and moved to 2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

Temple Israel synagogue attack → 2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack – Event appears to fail WP:NOYEAR requirements. A lack of other notable attacks at West Bloomfield's Temple Israel does not imply that a year is not necessary, factors such as how identifiable the incident does, and even at this early stage this incident does not appear to reach that level of notoriety quite clearly. Please note that WP:NCWWW states that most events titles should say when, where, and what happened.

Edit: Possible alts may be 2026 Michigan synagogue attack, 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack, or 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack. Raskuly (talk) 03:40, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Support 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack and 2026 Michigan synagogue attack due to being the WP:COMMONNAME. Noting that "Temple Israel" is also a very generic name for a synagogue Beeswax1999 (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I suggest a move to 2026 synagogue attack in West Bloomfield, Michigan, because the location should also be included in the title per WP:NCWWW and because including "Temple Israel" along with "synagogue" is unnecessary disambiguation. I₂Overcome ^talk 03:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Or 2026 Michigan synagogue attack I₂Overcome ^talk 03:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Having the full address like that is not common practice, if anything it would be 2026 Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack. Chattenoir (talk) 03:31, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Articles are not titled like that, so that would be against WP:CONSISTENT. Raskuly (talk) 03:35, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

What about 2026 Michigan synagogue attack or 2026 Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack? I₂Overcome ^talk 03:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

"2024 Melbourne synagogue attack" against Addas Israel synagogue. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

Adidas Israel synagogue? Raskuly (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

Typo Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:31, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't know how many S or D it should have, but I fixed the I. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

"West Bloomfield" isn't recognisable to people from far away, so 2026 Michigan synagogue attack is the best option. Alternatively 2026 Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack or Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

It’s not clear that there’s any opposition to including the year. I would actually just withdraw this, make the change, and then see what happens. Mikewem (talk) 02:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I've done many requested moves for older articles lacking years, and believe me there is often opposition, even if I think the arguments against it are weak or often come from a place of ignorance to the guidelines. Raskuly (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

For the record, Support Mikewem (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

And prefer 2026 Michigan synagogue attack over 2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack Mikewem (talk) 04:31, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Agree Chattenoir (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Comment Folks, the format is Support or Oppose, not Agree or presumably Disagree. Raskuly (talk) 03:35, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose for not including the location. There are numerous notable Temple Israel synagogues. I₂Overcome ^talk 03:41, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  So what about the alts? Do you support any of those? Raskuly (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  As I suggested above, support move to 2026 Michigan synagogue attack. I₂Overcome ^talk 03:45, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Support 2026 Michigan synagogue attack: I'm not a big fan of it being as broad as an entire state, but that appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME based on sources. It doesn't matter what I like, it matters what best matches the guidelines and policies. Raskuly (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Support 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack and 2026 Michigan synagogue attack, though all other proposed names are ok. AnthonyTheGuy (talk) 00:33, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Oppose The news is reporting this as a terrorist attack on Temple Israel. https://www.mlive.com/news/2026/03/what-to-know-about-the-temple-israel-synagogue-attack-in-west-bloomfield.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-15785-47 (talk) 04:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the argument is here. Raskuly (talk) 16:29, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Raskuly, please refrain from bludgeoning the process. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Not bludgeoning, I was unsure what the editor was even arguing. I was trying to get them to amend their argument to make sense or explain what they meant. Raskuly (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Per WP:BLUDGEON, "Bludgeoning is when a user dominates the conversation in order to persuade others to their point of view." You do not WP:OWN the article either (though you accused another of this) and made about a dozen comments so far. Allow consensus to form organically and maybe walk the dog. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

This comment is invalid anyway. Per WP:CT/A-I, only extended-confirmed editors can participate in RMs on this topic. I already tried striking it, but it appears they reverted it. I₂Overcome ^talk 02:53, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose since Temple Israel synagogue attack would appear to be the WP:COMMONNAME and is used in many mainstream and reliable sources. The date should be added if there is confusion over multiple shootings with the title "Temple Israel", but I do not see that as the case here at all. Pittsburgh synagogue shooting does not include the date/year and is another major American based attack on a Temple/synagogue, so it would seem that leaving this with the current title as it presently is would be the best and most precise article title. Iljhgtn (they/them · talk) 16:18, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  Of course the year isn't part of the common name, it just happened, but I don't think you're arguing that. So what do you have to say about WP:NOYEAR and WP:NCWWW, especially Some articles do not need a year for disambiguation when, in historic perspective, the event is easily described without it. and that in the majority of cases it should say when, where, and what happened. The date should be added if there is confusion over multiple shootings with the title "Temple Israel". Where does it say that in the guidelines? A reader should expect that if there have been other notable attacks or similar incidents at a location it would be clarified in the article. Also, just because one significantly more notable attack at a synagogue is titled on way does not mean that this can't be titled differently, and looking through the archive there hasn't even been a proper discussion about adding a year. Raskuly (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  "As this is a judgement call, please discuss it with other editors if there is disagreement." Justification for why its needed per WP:ONUS should be supplied in argument. I don't see the need for the year, but don't feel strongly about it. Iljhgtn (they/them · talk) 16:29, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  "Pittsburgh" is more recognisable as a specific place, "temple Israel" could be anywhere, and some might think it's in the State of Israel. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

Support adding date per convention of similar articles. Oppose "Michigan synagogue attack" as the title, as the name of the state is broad and is not the best descriptor of the site. 42-BRT (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

• Comment If the article title has Temple Israel in it, then is "synagogue" necessary? (2026 Temple Israel attack) All notable places named Temple Israel are synagogues, and titles shouldn't be longer than they need to be. Additionally, since there is only one Temple Israel in Michigan, couldn't a possible title be 2026 Temple Israel (Michigan) attack? Raskuly (talk) 16:51, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  I agree that temple is sufficient and we do not need to also add synagogue. That would be redundant and unnecessary. Iljhgtn (they/them · talk) 16:59, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  Either Temple Israel attack (Michigan), or 2026 Temple Israel attack (Michigan) would be better, like the Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego) article. AnthonyTheGuy (talk) 00:57, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose - There seems to be no other synagogue attack wherein there is a potential to be confused with this one. I see no reason to move this title to anything else. _signed, Kvinnen (talk) 20:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  And what about WP:NCWWW, doesn't say anything about that. Years can be used for disambiguation, but it's not their only purpose. Raskuly (talk) 22:05, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

  Perhaps a minor issue among all of the information in need of coverage, but the community where the attack occurred is usually referred to just as "West Bloomfield" without the "Township" suffix. I grew up near this community and live in the area, and it is seldom called "West Bloomfield Township" in common language. 42-BRT (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

  All that to say, support using the title of (2026) West Bloomfield synagogue attack but oppose (2026) West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack. 42-BRT (talk) 00:42, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Support 2026 Temple Israel attack (Michigan) per WP:NCWWW, WP:NOYEAR, WP:COMMONNAME, and to disambiguate from other Temple Israels per AnthonyTheGuy. Raskuly (talk) 11:10, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

I feel the title doesn't really need the year since (Michigan) already disambiguates it, like the Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego) article. If the year is included then I support 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack, like the 2025 Grand Blanc Township church attack article. AnthonyTheGuy (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

• Support 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack. "Temple Israel" is common enough that we have a List of synagogues named Temple Israel, and while I sincerely hope that we'll never have to distinguish this from another Temple Israel attack, the name alone is far from unique. I prefer "West Bloomfield" over "West Bloomfield Township" because that seems more common, and is the way the main article is named: Temple Israel (West Bloomfield, Michigan). And I prefer "West Bloomfield" over "Michigan" or "United States" because those terms are very broad. Guettarda (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

  Also 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack seems to fit WP:NCWWW best. Guettarda (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

  Support (while obviously not supporting the attack). BasicWriting (talk) 23:59, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

  Support using the title of 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack per Guettarda. 42-BRT (talk) 01:21, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

  Support 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack or 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack per Guettarda. AnthonyTheGuy (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

Support 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack per WP:NCWWW, WP:NOYEAR, and WP:COMMONNAME. Raskuly (talk) 21:32, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose as I had created the article, which with its current name as "Temple Israel synagogue attack" clearly and concisely states the nature of the incident. Alansohn (talk)

You don't own the article, did you read the guidelines presented in the argument or any argument? Raskuly (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

• I will also support 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack. I₂Overcome ^talk 12:28, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose I do not care so much about including the year or not but per WP:COMMONNAME, it should be called Temple Israel Synagogue attack since that is what it is called in the overwhelming majority of the sources. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 16:34, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

  So you don't care much about the year, but you oppose the title with the year that is Temple Israel synagogue attack with the year citing WP:COMMONNAME? I'm confused. Raskuly (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

  Temple Israel is the name of multiple locations across the U.S. which could easily be confused. 42-BRT (talk) 19:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose The current title is a unique name for this event. WP:CONCISE is met by the current title and all other suggested alternatives make it worse. Guz13 (talk) 00:35, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

• Support. However, prefer adding the locationlocation 2026 Michigan synagogue attack, as suggested by @Mikewem and @Beeswax1999, or something else with a location people in Asia would recognise, i.e. not West Bloomfield. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

  Note the title of 2025 Grand Blanc Township church attack; it consists of the year and the name of the municipality. 42-BRT (talk) 19:40, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Does anybody have any sources or know information about the manufacturer or the model of the truck the suspect was using? ImVeryStupid (talk) 02:16, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello @ImVeryStupid: Please dont repeatedly reinstate unsourced material in breaking news sensitive topics. You can either provide a source that says it’s “an unidentified make and model pickup truck”, or you can stop reinstating the edit, or you can get potentially blocked for edit warring. Do you have any preference between those 3 choices? Mikewem (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm very sorry Mikewem. All I want is to help, but I won't reinstate it again until it was officially identified. I appreciate everything on what you said. I'll just stop reinstating, but if you want to potentially block me, it'll be better for you, go right ahead. I'm not going to edit for now anyway. ImVeryStupid (talk) 02:33, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

@Raskuly Previously the sources were saying cause of death is unknown due to severe burning making it difficult, and it was unclear whether the explosives killed him or gunshots. When you made this update https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temple_Israel_synagogue_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1343300138 is that reflecting new sources? Chattenoir (talk) 12:59, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I was putting what was already in the article in the lead. If the sources don't support that, then it shouldn't be in the article anywhere. Raskuly (talk) 13:02, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

What do you mean? The sources in the lead? The source in the last sentence of the lead says cause of death unknown Chattenoir (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Oh sorry misread you, you mean what is in the body? Look if you read the sources they all say cause of death unknown. I don't have EC, please can you remove that from the body and lead. Because it is not true Chattenoir (talk) 13:05, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

In the Attack section it previously stated that the perp was killed in an exchange of gunfire with security personnel despite the source saying that the cause of death was unknown. I trusted whoever wrote that and didn't check the source and added that to the lead, but your ping notified me that was incorrect so I amended the wording in both the lead and body of the article. Raskuly (talk) 13:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah dw and thanks for amending.

The source of what was put in the attack section was of lower quality, and when it comes to initial reporting of ongoing events only high quality news sources should be used imo because there is a tendency for tabloids and such to make assumptions and misreport (which they did in this case). Chattenoir (talk) 13:55, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Add that the perpetrators brothers were believed to be members of Hezbollah.

Source: https://nypost.com/2026/03/13/us-news/first-photo-of-michigan-shooter-who-tried-to-murder-jewish-toddlers/ Hej34 (talk) 18:53, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

That's probably not a usable source, per WP:NYPOST. Here are some better sources which might be useful to a more experienced editor than I:

NBC News:

The two brothers were known to be members of Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militant group, the official said. But it was unclear what role they played in the organization or whether they were the target of the strike.

CBS News:

Ghazali was originally from Machgharah, a town in southern Lebanon with a significant Hezbollah presence and influence. His two brothers stayed in Lebanon and were both members of Hezbollah's rocket unit in southern Lebanon, CBS News has learned from sources on the ground in Lebanon, who said the two brothers were killed in a drone strike carried out by the Israel Defense Forces on March 5.

IncidentallyOpposite (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I'd say the latter part (that his brothers were killed in an Israeli attack) is likely to be far more relevant than their membership in Hezbollah. Guettarda (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2026 (UTC)