Talk:Vita Sadalbergae

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The result was: rejected, closed by Launchballer (talk) 21:15, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

• ... that the Vita Sadalbergae (written c. 680) is an anonymous Latin biography and hagiography of Saint Sadalberga, founder and abbess of the Abbey of St John, Laon?

• • ALT1: ... that in the hagiography the Vita Sadalbergae, the protagonist, Saint Sadalberga, had to overcome three obstacles in order to enter the monastery? Source: Hochstetler, David (1992). A Conflict of Traditions: Women in Religion in the Early Middle Ages 500-840. Lanham, Maryland: University Press. ISBN 0-8191-8609-0, pp. 27-28.
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Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2026 (UTC).

• Full review needed now that article has been updated. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:56, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
• Thanks for working on this article, Figureskatingfan. It was nominated within 7 days of a sufficient expansion, so it counts as new. QPQ is done. Sources abound, and I see no neutrality issues. I do wonder whether we need a huge paragraph from McNamara (copyright issues?). I had to break up two paragraphs because they were too long to navigate. Now I wonder whether "also a controversial belief in the Merovingian era" is supposed to be covered by citation #28. Could you perhaps propose a hook about the significance of this vita? Alternatively, I would propose a shortening of ALT1: "that the protagonist of the Vita Sadalbergae had to overcome three obstacles in order to enter a monastery?" Surtsicna (talk) 11:58, 28 June 2026 (UTC)

ALT1 might need a slight rephrasing to make it clear that the subject isn't a work of fiction, meaning DYKFICTION doesn't apply. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, User:Surtsicna and User:Narutolovehinata5. I've removed the quote box as requested, after summarizing the content in the text. Yes, the controversial belief line is supported by the above-mentioned ref, so I added it to the end of the sentence. I'm fine with your rewording of ALT1, although I refer ALT0. If we were to use it, though, this might satisfy Naruto's concern: "that the main character of the seventh-century hagiography, the Vita Sadalbergae, had to overcome three obstacles in order to enter a monastery?" Hopefully, I've addressed all concerns. Thanks, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:45, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

Whether Vita Sadalbergae is a work of fiction seems to be a matter of some dispute. I do not think that expanding the hook in that way addresses any potential DYKFICTION issues. ALT0 is a rather bland definition of the subject. Perhaps we could have a hook centered on the significance of the vita. Surtsicna (talk) 07:53, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

The Vita is a hagiography, a genre of literature. The controversy in medieval history circles is how reliable they are. Other editors who contribute to Wikipedia articles about saints and I tend to use them because they can be a useful source, as long as it's clear that they're being used as a source. I think that the hook makes that clear. But I'll suggest another hook: "that the hagiography Vita Sadalbergae focuses on "the question of property and prestige more comprehensively" during the Middle Ages than most other hagiographies?" (Source: Kreiner, Jamie (2014). The Social Life of Hagiography in the Merovingian Kingdom. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Cambridge University Press. p. 189. ISBN 978-1-107-27960-5) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

This nomination is about to expire, so I am going to approve a shortened version of ALT1. I believe that hook is the one most likely to attract readers' attention. I think the use of past tense indicates that the protagonist is a historical person. Surtsicna (talk) 20:29, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

• The nomination is now a week past WP:DYKTIMEOUT, and with more than a month's worth of approved hooks not transcluding to this page I am marking this one for closure. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:32, 14 July 2026 (UTC)