User talk:Writtenonsand

Hi Writtenonsand. On http://www.unina.it/ you can see how Università degli Studi di Napoli Federico II is the full name in Italian of the University of Naples; there are other universities in Naples such as the Seconda Università (http://www.unina2.it/), the Orientale (http://www.iuo.it/) and the Orsola Benincasa (http://www.unisob.na.it/), but as an Italian myself I can assure you that only the Federico II is commonly called "Università (degli Studi) di Napoli". This is because, as they say on it:Università di Napoli, the name of the university was Università degli studi di Napoli until 1987, and people still use the old name (generally shortened to Università di Napoli - University of Naples). You can find a confirmation on the web page of the university: "the University of Naples, that since 1987 bears the name of its first promoter [...]".
This was my reasoning. However, for a more accurate source, see this announcement for a meeting on paleontology; on November 16 (2nd page) you can see among the guests "Marco Signore, paleontologo, Dipartimento di Scienze della Terra, Università degli Studi di Napoli Federico II". Cheers. --Εξαίρετος (msg) 22:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Sir,Hello, I m a sikh guy from Kashmir state of INDIA , i have read ur comments on user page of SIKHISM ,you are great . I am also very much impressed with ur user page. May Almighty WAHEGURU bless u in every sphere of life. user: sarbjeet_1313me 31 July 2007, JAMMU.

Born in 1982, and found in a picnic basket on a church's stoop, Brent Alexander became known in later years as "a real asshole". Although never able to hold a job for longer than six months, he has been quoted many times as saying he's waiting for his "Big Break" and fifteen minutes of fame. Although his attempts at celebrity status have been major failures, usually resulting in hundreds of thousands of dollars of property damage, such as the "Undercooked Chicken Accident of '03", when thousands of attendees at the Taste of Chicago vomited uncontrolably after eating undercooked chicken that was passed out as free samples. he has been largely been ignored by the major media networks, except after the aptly titled "Duck Disaster" in which Alexander attempted to recreate many scientific tests preformed on animals by Nazi Scientists during WWII, but ended up accidently releasing over 200 domesticated ducks upon Chicago, but it is widely believed that the event was in the news for the sole opportunity for reporters to use the headline "Duck Doctor a Quack" Brent passed away in 2006 of syphillis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.240.83 (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I have redirected Bir, Maharashtra to existing correct and well written article Beed pronounciation Beed is more correct spell/pronounciation Bir is of british colonial times and spell bir is not much in use now.

-- Mahitgar (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I am good with the redirect. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, yes, I was a little vague, sorry. I was merely referring to the recommendations made after the GA review, listed at the top of the article's talk page. Lists are perfectly OK, this just had too many of them at the time. But I placed too much emphasis upon that in my edit summary; my main point is that the article already contained the awards information, as prose (though it wouldn't hurt to expand upon it a little), and a whole new separate section wasn't warranted, especially considering the length of the article at present. Best regards, Liquidfinale ^{(Ţ) (Ç) (Ŵ)} 22:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Note to self: Brazilian history items.

Thanks for joining the WikiProject Systems. I hope together we can make a difference. If there are things you want to discuss or initiate, please let me know or leave a message at the WikiProject Systems talk page. I've been running the WikiProject Systems with lot's of support for half a year now, and things are still moving. The Announcements archive gives just a little impression of the things we have been doing. At the moment we are not that active, but things come and go.

I got your message on the WikiProject Systems talk page about Ilya Prigogine and started adding some more information in the biography section, and I will see what else I can do. I'm not that familiar with his work. Best regards -- Mdd (talk) 14:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Asrai is a type of fairy from fairy folklore as described. It also appears as the name of a race of elves in the Warhammer 'universe.' It has also been taken as the name of a band, presumably for some references to the Asrai being sweet voiced. In my article, I stuck with the story which said that the Asrai's voice is like the sounding of the waves. Rsweeney (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

In the references section, I link pantheon.org, which does not list races only appearing in games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsweeney (talk • contribs) 03:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should be AfD'd. I'll deal with it later this week, unless you (or somebody else) processes it first. PKT (talk) 14:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Articles with no content aren't articles, so I've reverted your edit for now. The redirect does not prevent someone from starting an article there, and the blank page doesn't help anyone. Sub-articles are normally created when a section in the main article gets too big - see WP:SS. Currently there isn't even a criticism section in the Buddhism article, so a whole criticism article isn't needed yet. If you want an article there, I suggest that you do some research and start one yourself, but it would be more appropriate to use whatever references you find to start a criticism section in the main article first. -- Vary | Talk 14:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The issue seems to be that there just isn't that much notable criticism for Buddism, and certainly not nearly as much as there is for many other religions. As I pointed out, there is currently not even a criticism section in the main article. Any content that can be written on the subject needs to go there first. If and when sources have been found to create a criticism section, Criticism of Buddhism article can be redirected there instead. If and when that section gets big enough to justify an article, that content should be moved to Criticism of Buddhism. But would not be not appropriate to create an anemic little substub - rather than putting the criticism in the main page where it belongs - just because every other major religion has attracted enough criticism to justify a whole article.

At any rate, blanking a page does not make it a redlink. If you want the page to be a red link, you need to file a deletion request at WP:RFD. -- Vary | Talk 15:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you realized I was trying to be positive in my response (as I was pretty sure you were too). I'll work on adding some info on the evolution of flight feathers when I get back to my various books and journals. Right now, I'm out of the country visiting relatives! MeegsC | Talk 02:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

(Boilerplate reminder on Civility originally posted to Talk:René_Guénon)

To all Wikipedia contributors: Please familiarize yourself with and follow Wikipedia:Civility - at its most basic:
" Participate in a respectful and civil way. ... Wikipedians define incivility roughly as personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater conflict and stress. "
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Remember: Theoretically, this is an encyclopedia. Let's strive for professionalism. "But he started it!" is not a valid excuse.

-- Writtenonsand (talk) 12:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

I've taken note of the comments you leaved on René Guénon talk page. I agree with these. I don't have the intention to keep on the discussion anyway, so I won't slip down to incivility. Thank you for your comments.

Happy new year !

TwoHorned (talk) 13:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Bleep RfC

Hi! The position that I understand you to be taking in this discussion strikes me as so bizarre that I feel I might be misunderstanding you. Are you really saying that you don't believe a factual science book to be an appropriate source on a question of scientific fact? Have a good one! -- Writtenonsand (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no, not at all. I'm saying that in order for content to be included in an article, the source used must be in relation to the topic of the article, per WP:NOR. the sources ScienceApologist wants to use have nothing to do with the topic of the article..which is the movie. The articles on the sciences or fringe sciences that ScienceApologist is concerned about can contain content from the sources he wants to use because they are directly related to the subjects of those articles. Hope this clears things up! Dreadstar † 22:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Answering your question on my talk page, Writtenonsand. No, I am not saying that. And thanks, you have a good one too. Professor marginalia (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

You wrote at Talk:What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know!?#RfC:_Can_a_science_textbook_be_used_to_refute_a_pseudoscientific_statement_made_in_a_movie_even_if_the_textbook_is_not_about_the_movie_and_doesn.27t_mention_it.3F_Does_this_violate_WP:NOR_policy.3F "that would be OR, because the textbooks you want to use have nothing to do with the film." -- I feel like I must be misunderstanding something here. That doesn't make much sense to me. Statements about facts are statements about facts, and any reliable source on these facts is germane, and is not "original research" by any natural interpretation of that expression. Whether or not the sources have something to do with the main topic of the article is irrelevant, or should be -- i.e. our policy should state this. A policy that says that the source has to be about the main topic of the article is inappropriate. Thanks for your attention. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 03:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The reason the policy disallows this is that people could constantly add sources not directly related to the topic to present their own view of whatever the subject was. You wrote above that any reliable source of any fact is germane, but what is germane on Wikipedia is what secondary sources have written about the topic.

Otherwise, in the example given, someone could add a source saying that time travel isn't possible under quantum physics, someone else could add one arguing that it is, someone else another one saying something else -- and on and on, until the article would no longer be about the film. To prevent that, we (generally) publish what other people have published about films (or whatever the topic is), even if we disagree with it or feel that they've left out something important. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

At last, a question I know the answer to!! New users display as red-line links if they haven't put anything on their user page yet; the user's name is a link to a page that doesn't exist, just like This page that doesn't exist. So that's why the classic signs of a new page that is 90% certain to be deleted are that the user name is a red-line link and that the name of the article is a person's name where the second name isn't capitalized. (I have no idea why so many new users screw that up, but they do.) Thanks, I finally feel like I knew the entire answer to someone's question!! Accounting4Taste:talk 17:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Meu nome é sergio kaminski, e falo inglês mais ou menos. O tecodonte (em portugues) é quem deu origem aos crocodilos. Prefiro 'paleorrota' pois é a união de rota paleontologica em portugues, mas vou citar o termo "paleo route" no texto para ficar mais claro.
Muito obrigado.

Oi. Eu posso falar em portugues ruim ou good English :-). No artigo Thecodont tem um foto de um esqueleto no museu UFRGS. O que é este bicho, por favor? - é bem grande ser um "thecodont". -- Writtenonsand (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Falo inglês com dificuldade. Minha filha está ao lado da foto com o tecodonte. O tecodonte deu origem aos crocodilos.
I speak in english is dificult for me. My daughther is by side of the picture of thecodont. The thecodont is a kind of alligator.
Sergio Kaminski 22:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

More informations about The thecodont. He was colected in the Candelaria City (see map in paleorrota). He has more or less five meters, was a big animal. the name is Karamuru vorax . The people of UFRGS colected this animal. He lived at triassic.
I colected 5 dinossour and 3 dicynodonts. I work with the people of UFRGS and UFSM.
See this page *Dinosaurs of Rio grande do Sul. and see de karamuru vorax. Have a move and pictures.

If you need more informations. Please contact. Sorry my english!!!

Sergiokkaminski (talk) 2:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sim, eu escavei sozinho os dinossauros e entreguei para a UFRGS e UFSM. Eu escavo no sitio Paleontological Site Arroio Cancela. Não publiquei todas as informações sobre este local, para evitar vandalismo. Escavei meu primeiro dinossauro quando tinha 12 anos. hoje estou com 46 anos. Quando eu escavei pela primeira vez, a paleontologia não era muito difundida por aqui. Atualmente é que tem se formado um pessoal muito bom, principalmente na UFRGS. Sergiokkaminski (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Se você le em portugues entre na wikepedia em portugues e vá para a pagina pt:paleontólogo, foi eu que escrevi e tem algum material que uso. Também coletei o exaeretodon que esta na foto da paleorrota. Sergiokkaminski (talk) 20:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Entre no youtube e procure por paleorrota. Eu montei um filme com as fotos do exaeretodon.200.182.146.243 (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Eu acho que podemos traduzir "Paleorrota" como ingles "Paleo Route". O Sr concorda? --

Writtenonsand (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Prefiro o termo Paleorrota pois esta em portugues, Mas vou citar o termo Paleo Route no texto para que fique claro para quem lê. Obrigado.
I prefer Paleorrota because is in portugues, but I will write Paleo Route on the text, because is more clear. Thanks. (see paleorrota).

Sergio Kaminski 22:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Writtenonsand,

Saw that you just added your name to WikiProject Dinosaurs, and just wanted to say welcome to the team (even though you've already been participating for quite some time now). Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 20:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Writtenonsand. How are you? Thank you for the note. However, you should have left the note on my talk page, not on my user page. I studied WP:Civil and I think you have a point. Thanks for the suggestions. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was using that picture as a place-holder in the code. I could hide it as a comment if you want. Abyssal leviathin (talk) 19:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops. I've made a lot of genera lists and mostly copied and pasted the intro. Sometimes I'd forget to change the taxa names. It was hard trying to keep track of over a dozen lists at once. Abyssal leviathin (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I like lists, though, regardless of how many redlinks they contain. If people dislike redlinks so much, maybe they should make articles and turn them blue. :P Abyssal leviathin (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. ^_^ Abyssal leviathin (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi.

I don't disagree that the Newsweek piece is correctly cited. However, when a cited source reaches its conclusion by a fallacious piece of reasoning, that would, in my view, tend to invalidate it as a useful source.

It would appear that Newsweek committed the following fallacy:

• Every M is a C
• Therefore, every non-M is a non-C

Or alternatively:

• Every M is a C
• Therefore, every C is an M

Which is much the same thing. (For M read "member of the creationist organisation" and for C read "creationist".)

Now, the major problem in resolving this dispute is that the quote we have does not actually explain the methodology by which the figure "700 creationists out of 480,000 relevant scientists" was arrived at. It's possible that it was actually arrived at by a more sane method. If we only knew, we could get this matter sorted easily.

I'm going to propose (later, when I get home) that we simply add to the text the fact that the Newsweek piece does not give its methodology. I'm also going to suggest that the Gallup poll (which is utterly non-controversial) be placed first in the list. Evercat (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

We have no evidence that this is what Newsweek did. To assume this, as you are doing, is original research, which are not allowed to do on Wikipedia. If you can find a reliable source that makes this point, we can include it. And also, until we get the Gallup poll information and details, it is controversial as well; we have no idea how the survey was done and other details. So the Gallup poll is plenty controversial. However, we do not interpret these things here. We just present the bare information and let others interpret them.--Filll (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

To assume this, as you are doing - I am not doing that. I have repeatedly stated that we don't actually know for sure that this is what they did. I said so above. I also said it here. This is the main reason why I did not redo my original edit after I was reverted.

The reason I have kept banging on about this point is that you [Filll] seemed until recently to be arguing that even if Newsweek did indeed make such an error, it would still be an acceptable source. Evercat (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

By now I have changed my view on the removal of the Newsweek quote, although I still think that my rephrasing of the sentence was a far more accurate way of paraphrasing what Newsweek actually says.

Um. I am a godless evolutionist. I have said so repeatedly. And from what I know of religion, most don't allow you to deny your faith. :-)

If you don't believe me, you can read an old version of my user page before I removed all mention of my political views. Or you could examine my edits to Chromosome 2 where I write about how the clear evidence of a telomere-telomere fusion in the chromosome is obvious evidence of common descent and our relatedness to the primates.

But anyway, thanks for your kind words. Evercat (talk) 13:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You are right that much that could be described as "cruft" is fact. However, I really do fail to see how honorary degrees or other major awards could possibly fit into that category. It may be cruft to say that X was voted "student most likely to become a Z-list celebrity" at high school, but it's certainly not cruft to say he's been awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Oxford. This latter would also be listed by respected publications such as Who's Who.

As far as guidelines to cruft are concerned, there's nothing official so far as I'm aware since it's such a subjective term, as you have proved. However, there is an essay (in no way a policy) about the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Whereas I would say it's a perfectly acceptable indication of his academic credentials, although I don't like it in list form. I really think that any information that would be included in a reputable biographical publication, as that would be, is acceptable on Wikipedia. My definition of cruft is inane hero worship gushing by fans, not awards by genuine and established institutions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your post. I appreciate that there are concerned individuals at Wikipedia.

I despair at the treatment, accusations, and what seem to be arbitrary procedures at Wikipedia. I have approached this issue with a pure heart.

I have applied as clear a logical approach as I could summon, despite often being quite upset at the response that unfolded.

On the advice of Avraham Admin Editor, I re-submitted the "Ed O'Loughlin" article. It was a topic I felt that I knew something of. It is true that I have not been the progenitor of multiple articles, after all it is hard to imagine that a single individual could be highly knowledgible and have sufficient expertise on multiple diverse topics. Instead this was held against me. No matter.

I now wish that I had not re-submitted the article or perhaps left it all to Avraham.

I've written chapters in books, I've written articles, I understand the process of being edited. But my experience here has been disappointing to say the least. Persons clearly unfamiliar with the material come barreling in at an advanced stage of discussion and make categorical remarks and judgements that show clearly they are not familiar with the issues, that they have not read the discussion, that they themselves have a partisan view. It's pitiful.

I thought I could make a contribution about bias and advocacy in journalism with a specific well-documented case in point. Evidently not.

In the end the article was not even written by me. It was written by Avraham. He saw the facts, he vetted the references, he applied the Wikipedia rules.

Apart from this, he is clearly a brilliant man. But, he was run roughshod over by people not even aware of their own biases. His comments were treated with contempt. I single out especially Crotalus, who as a Wikipedia administrator, functioned in the most glib, offhand, disrespectful and anti-intellectual manner. He spent his time ferreting around looking for sockpuppets, and the depth of his arguments extended to one word "Coatrack", well and truly addressed by Avraham long before.

It is also true that this particular topic has been raised, justifiably, in outside fora. Blogs, discussion groups, media monitoring groups, newspapers, etc, etc. It is not within my control to instruct intelligent, motivated, persons whether or not to contribute to the discussion, and what to say. I am sure there are interested, knowledgable people among them.

I am sure that some have made comments in Wikipedia. I have been told directly and indirectly that some have. Why not? They probably know more about the issues than some of the "house" editors. I ask Wikipedia why they should be labelled "sockpuppets"?

The first deletion discussion was nothing more than a setup. It was engineered, it was arbitrary. Antagonists to Crotalus's view were relegated to a secondary page, their views discounted and they were wrongly labelled as sockpuppets. This is extraordinarily poor, unprofessional, indecent and borders on censorship.

During the period I opted to contribute anonymously (not as Adon Emett) I used different computers at different places where I happened to be to make comments on the article as it was in imminent danger of deletion. I hope this does not make me a sock puppet.

I am sure you are aware of much outside criticism of Wikipedia's methods. Perhaps there is something in it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adon Emett (talk • contribs) 19:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I was foolish to believe that anything I said could make a difference to Wikipedia.

All the best

Adon Emett (talk) 19:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. One thing I mentioned was ambiguous. After I registered the Adon Emett name I dont think I used anonymous ip any longer only before. I cant be 110% sure as I made lots of posts- but I think not. And another thing...your Author A analogies are fine, but do they really apply here? Don't forget that Admin Editor Avraham largely did the editing, not me. The consensus was against him, not me. And another thing ...if we are to accept Matilda's proposition that it is the logic of one's case that determines the decision on article deletion (rather than the number of persons favouring a particular position, then the business about sock puppets should be irrelevant.

Have a nice day.

Adon Emett (talk) 09:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Intellectuals are frequently abrasive. One good example is Christopher Hitchens, another is Richard Dawkins. The case was here: At the time, it bothered me, but yeah, I agree with the decision. We shouldn't have an etiquette gestapo, because then that would violate Wikipedia is not censored. It's just as important that people not be oversensitive nannies as it is that people not be rude. I've seen a lot of this, "Oh, I'm so offended by X! We need to censor X!" recently, and I'm sick of it. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 03:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. I'll stop. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It is incredibly difficult. People here are so rude, themselves, even the ones in charge of enforcing WP:Civility. And they aren't even honest with themselves about their rudeness, having to hide behind technicalities. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 23:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you enjoyed it! DuncanHill (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't too surprised that that article was kept, but I was surprised that Street Smart (book) was kept. Maybe the deletionist element hasn't become as dominant/extreme as I thought. Sarsaparilla (talk) 13:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Re lead section assertions: That's the problem with the entire article, which is why I originally put it to AfD because it appeared to me to be so rife with POV that it was not salvageable. In return, I was harangued by the original author, who seems to be oblivious to WP policies about deleting comments in AfD discussions and such. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 21:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi back--interesting you should note Nader's views. If you notice, there is precious little regarding his actual views--pro or con--which would be the natural venue for discussing criticism. It's not like he doesnt have views; he probably has the most elaborate set of views, policy proposals, etc, of any political figure in America. But ironically, this article is heavily biased by lending too much credence to a partisan-motivated demonization of the guy. If it must (aaack) call him controversial, at least do it based on controversial views, not by virtue of the controversy his opponents generated in their rather vicious attacks on his campaigns. It's like calling a pacifist who gets brutally beaten up by a thus a participant on a violent act. You need specifics.

A few million people supported Nader's platform in 2000, and exercised their right to vote for him. I was one, but it shouldn't matter. I can deal with a neighbor raising a pall over that campaign because they have strong feeling about it; one shouldnt have to argue eith an encyclopedia that is raising the same scent of illegitimacy via unspecified uses of terms like "controversial." Boodlesthecat (talk) 21:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

  - Slogan, yes we can, people will remember the slogan and the song not the speech itself.
  - Music, ok, music encourage the hearts of people.

  - It was before nh, so it feed nh. 
  - The message is Hope. Its more than an electoral slogan, it was a message more than the campaign itself, it was for the world, so the world understood it.
  - The bulk message its the same, but here in iowa was more complete.
  - It was celebrating a victory, so the atmosphere has  energy!
  - Obama was unknowed to the world until that speech. I didnt know who was him. I heard about but not as that way. So, after all the things what are happening to the world, obama's speech was  fresh air, like a opening window in a dark room. So much people have that sentiment. That speech was on 3rd page on my regional newspaper, here in Barcelona, Spain, Europe.
    May be in america you have too much noisy with all these elections on the way. But think one issue, what will be keept in a year to go ? Where has all began? Where the hope converted to can, to be able to deal ? Iowa

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User Merbabu is trying to erase the infobox included on the article Portuguese Timor. This kind of infobox exists in many other articles in Wikipedia. He is just trying to impose his own view in the article. Is there some action that can be done against it? Emerson

Deletion was justified as this person was making a number of personal attacks against Merbabu and spamming a lot of user talk pages in relation to this. The user has a block history full of such actions and is an apparent SPA who's only edits are to incite further attacks against Merbabu. Merbabu is endeavouring to work with the editor inspite of these, the question is do we accept such actions against a long time contributor, IMHO we dont! I will revert if and when I see any editor attacked in this way. I also suggest that you could have saved some time by reading my talk page the section User talk:Gnangarra#Are you in love with Merbabu? which already has comments and explanation to these action rather than furthering the drama along, it also has Domaleixo's comment after I had warned him over the attacks, which gives an accurate account of the troll that is being feed. Gnangarra 12:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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I understand, but I'm an inclusionist and as such don't see a problem with having articles on sufficiently notable Japanese robots and such. To each his own, I'm sure we'd find people that see articles on Graeco-Roman mythology just as space-wasting as you do those on hypothetical moons - it's better to include everything rather than lose things that don't need to be lost. If the article isn't sufficiently sourced, that's not grounds for deletion to me - WP:SOFIXIT. But I'm not totally oblivious as to where you're coming from. And if I don't make sense, forgive me, I just woke up. :) +Hexagon1 ^(t) 02:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious to know how AfDs are resolved.
I've started an AfD on Psychonaut. To my mind, article is WP:MADEUP or WP:OR, though this would be subject to debate, but is also unambiguously un-cited, despite the article being four years old and having a warning tag on this since May 2007.
Many comments in the AfD are running along the lines of "Keep - We don't need to have cites", which strikes me as not according to Wikipedia policy.
-- So, to what extent is AfD a popularity contest, and to what extent does it hinge on policies? If many people vote Keep, do we disregard policy problems? Who makes the call on AfDs? An admin?
Thanks -- Writtenonsand (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Very good question. I find AFD to be a mixture of both. In the case that an article clearly does not meet policies, but a strong majority of users suggest keeping it, it will tend to be kept anyway, if for no other reason than consensus can change. If, on the other hand, the keep and delete "votes" are close together but one side is grounded in policy and the other is more aspirational or citing a number of the arguments considered invalid, then the admin should exercise discretion and declare the result accordingly. I did that recently at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre (4th nomination), which decision was ultimately upheld on review.

In the present discussion, very few of those keep "votes" were grounded in policy. As you correctly pointed out it is for those seeking material to be included to verify it. I would wait a month or so then renominate the page, pointing out that no citations have been included since the last discussion and that all the keep "votes" were conditional on citations being added or had a mention that they were needed. In the face of such a small propotion of delete "votes" I don't think that a deletion review would overturn the discussion. Stifle (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. It looks like Wikipedia calls it Western Interior Seaway. I'll use that name. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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I occassionally grow tired of my identity on my main account and at times prefer a slightly more anonymous approach to editing. However, there is nothing unethical about this as I have made it clear on both of my talk pages that I have these two accounts. Nor is this a violation of Wikipedia policy. LuisGomez111 (talk) 17:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Frankly, precisely what you didn't understand was a little obscure. Your original question on the talk page was simply why it was held on the day it is. When I answered this, you backtracked and claimed not to understand the point of the feast at all - which wasn't what your initial question indicated, and which was already answered in the lead ("...a feast in honour of the Eucharist"). I think this was the reason for Carl's apparent exasperation. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 18:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

However, I think there's a fundamental problem with all wikis, and with wikipedia in particular. It's that users are working to cross purposes. It is and was my assertion that a good article has every fact backed up with a reliable source, so that users who question the statement can verify it. Others argue that all those superscripted numbers make the article unreadable, that it requires too much effort, or that it makes wikipedia look different than commercial encyclopedias. Well, it is different. Commercial encyclopedias typically have one expert writing an article, and his name appears at the end, thus putting his well-established reputation on the line. With wikipedia, it's painfully difficult to see who contributed content, and there's no way to tell whether something was added by the tinfoil hat brigade, by a practical joker, or someone who is the world's foremost expert on the subject.

If they enforced the rule that any editor was allowed to delete content that was not properly referenced to a reliable source, it would make a considerable difference; instead, they hassle people who do that, out of fear that some of the tinfoil hat brigade will be offended and leave. As a result, the people who leave are those who want to make wikipedia a useful resource rather than a joke. I was willing to donate clothes to the thrift store until I found that they baled 95% of all contributions, and sold them as rags, I was willing to donate blood to the Red Cross until I saw how they handled the World Trade Center and Katrina incidents, and I was willing to donate considerable time and energy to wikipedia until I found out my efforts were wasted. If I run across a typographical error, or an error of fact, I now am willing to make a very minimal effort to correct it - but it's not very often that I even visit the site. (You left your comment quite some time ago.) I'm more likely to find the information I need on GeoCities or a blog - and since someone is taking individual responsibility for his site, it's more likely to be valid information.

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Project News WP:IND Newsletter is back! It's been nearly a year since the last edition, but we hope to bring out issues on a more regular basis now. The India Wikiproject was set up to increasing coverage of India-related topics on Wikipedia, and over the past few months the focus has been on improving article quality. A number of the project's featured articles underwent featured article reviews over the past year. Of these, Darjeeling and Flag of India survived the review process, while the rest were demoted. During the same period, Gangtok, Harbhajan Singh, Darjeeling and Mysore were featured on the main page respectively on August 20, September 17, November 6 and December 29, 2009. Meanwhile, articles on topics as diverse as Political history of Mysore and Coorg (1565–1760), Marwari horse and Iravan were promoted as featured articles, and respectively appeared on the main page on March 25, May 17 and May 28, 2010. Consequently, the number of FA-class articles under the project's scope dropped from 67 in August 2009 to 63 in June 2010. The number of good articles, however, saw a more than 40% increase, from 91 to 130 during the same period, while the number of featured lists saw a 33% increase from 12 to 16. Due to the recent policy changes regarding unreferenced Biographies of Living People (BLPs), an effort was started in January 2010 to source all unreferenced BLPs coming under Wikiproject India. 1200 such articles were identified initially and more were added to the list later. Due to the sourcing effort, the number of Indian unreferenced BLPs is down to 565 currently. During February-April 2010, There was a large scale disruption of Kerala related articles by a Thrissur based IP vandal. Editing from a dynamic IP BSNL connection, the vandal changed dates of birth, death and ages of a number of Malayalam and Tamil film actors. Later he added a few international biographies to his list. He also marked some living people like Arvind Swamy as dead. A month long range block was imposed on his IP range two times and each time he came back to vandalise dates once the block expired. Currently the range has been blocked for three months till September 11, 2010. What's New? Three members of the project, Abecedare, Tinu Cherian and SpacemanSpiff received their sysop mops in October-December 2009. Congratulations! Wikipedians in Bangalore have been organising periodic meetups over the past year, in collaboration with the Centre for Internet and Society. The next meetup is scheduled for July 18, 2010. Indian and other Wikipedians from all Wikipedias in various languages are welcome to attend.

Current proposals and discussions Please add Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics to your watchlist in order to stay updated with the latest discussions regarding various aspects of the project. A discussion is underway here to reach a consensus regarding the use of Indian number names (lakh, crore etc.) in Wikipedia articles. Please participate and add your comments. Join the effort to source and save unreferenced Indian BLPs. Some unintended vandalism is going on at the Assamese Wikipedia by the sole active editor. This is a request for Assamese-conversant Wikipedians to help resolve the issue. A discussion is in progress here in order to determine whether non-Western (including Indian) forms of classical music should be referred to by the nomenclature of art music instead of classical music. Please participate and add your comments. Watchlist the Articles for Deletions page for India related discussions. Opinions from more Indian Wikipedians are required in many of the discussions. The World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 is at present underway in Coimbatore, and the Tamil Wikipedia is actively involved at the event. A detailed report will follow in the next issue. Wikimania 2010 is happening in Poland from July 7-11. Indian Wikipedians attending include Gurubrahma, Shiju Alex, Ravidreams , Santhosh Thottingal, Tinu Cherian, WMF Board member Bishakha Datta and Advisory Board member Achal Prabala. We wish them all the best! More on their experiences in the next issue. If you've just joined, add your name to the Members section of WikiProject India. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 2 – (July 2010)). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Looking forward toward more contributions from you! Complete To Do List Complete To Do List India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard v • e • d • h • w Requests: Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Swami Bhaskaranand Saraswati, Akhand Pratap Singh, Ravindra Gujjula Irrigation in India, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, Grand Hyatt Hotel, Mumbai, More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. Raghava Iyengar, Silk in the Indian subcontinent, IDBI Bank More... Cleanup: articles on castes, Rampur, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, Shipping Corporation of India, Velama, Bangaru Adigalar, Medical college (India), More... Merge: Raghava Rama,Sammar Bahisht,Sathya Sai Baba movement,More... Expand: Prime Minister of India, Krishna district, List of railway stations in India, Swaraj, Ashoka Kumar Thakur vs. Union of India (Supreme Court Case), Barak Missile Deal Scandal, 14th Lok Sabha, Adithada, Ali Sardar Jafri, Bandhani work, Bhaiband, But Marma Atti, Chikan (embroidery), China Town, Kolkata, Dr. Rahi Masoom Raza, Energy policy of India, Essar Shipping, Fair use, Hinduism in India, Imperial Bank, Inbuan Wrestling, Integral humanism, Iran-India relations, Islam in India, Arjuna award, Sunil Mittal, Save Indian Family, Anjana Sukhani, Rajendra K. Pachauri More... Stubs: Anand Math, Andhra Bank, A R Antule, Arjuna award, Army of India, Bapudeva Sastri, Bombay Dyeing, Indian Copyright Act, Marimallappa, Mumbai Skywalk, More... Translate: Telugu Wikipedia articles, Marathi Wikipedia articles, Hindi Wikipedia articles, Sanskrit Wikipedia articles, Tamil Wikipedia articles Kannada Wikipedia articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assesment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template v • e • d • h • w Signed... SBC-YPR (Editor) Sodabottle (Editor) Tinu Cherian (Distributor)

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Could you please help me Writtenonsand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malik_Shabazz Milik (and a few others) at this address does not see the Baptist state conventions as notable. Would you be able to help me document these conventions. They are all a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. Having comprehensive coverage of the largest evangelical denomination in the world would be helpful to many. I named the doctrinal standard of the conventions as well as the entities they own and operate. As an SBC pastor I can assure you this is important and valuable information. I sincerely believe the conventions qualify as notable because they are a part of the SBC. Also, I linked each convention web site which verifies the bulk of information I contributed. In addition, I called each state convention to verify the number of churches in each state. Any help you could render would be most helpful. Thank you. Tim —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toverton28 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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English WikiProject News After a missed issue, the WP:IND newsletter is back on track to being a regular bimonthly feature. The Indian WikiProject has seen plenty of online and off-line action, both in English as well as other Indian languages, and we now have a bigger, better format that intends to feature content and news from the English as well as other Indian language Wikipedias. Reaching out to Indians has been the theme of the Indian Wikiproject over the past couple of months, aiming to involve a greater number of Indians in editing both the English and Indian language Wikipedias. To this end, efforts to set up the Indian chapter of Wikimedia have moved into their final stages, and registration of the society is currently pending. An effort is underway to push for "WikiMarathons" at meetups, where attendees will be encouraged to edit the English and/or Indian language Wikipedias. This is intended to popularise Wikipedia editing among the general public. In addition, a bot to post DYK's from the Indian Wikiproject to Twitter was created and launched by User:Logicwiki. What's New? Regrettably, the number of Featured Articles has dropped from 63 in June to 58 at the end of October 2010. Several FAs came up for review and were delisted, while Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India was saved. Meanwhile, Chalukya Dynasty appeared on the main page on July 9, 2010. Hearteningly, the number of Good Articles increased from 130 to 136 during the same period, while the number of Featured Lists remained constant at 16. The source code for the Article Alert Bot is now available and the bot itself is expected to be up and running very shortly. This means that article alerts for the Indian Wikiproject will again be available, enabling editors to easily keep track of developments in respect of reviews, nominations, deletions etc. The date change vandal mentioned briefly in the previous issue made a reappearance when the range block on his IP range expired in September. Consequently the block was extended till September 2011. In October there was a heated discussion in the India project noticeboard regarding the copyright status of the Indian party symbols. The discussion was triggered by the deletion of Wiki San Roze's party symbol images by Hammersoft as copyright violations. No resolution was reached, partly because of our inability to explain to Hammersoft how election symbols in India differ from party logos. Comments are requested from anyone with a background in Indian copyright law to clarify this issue. Complete To Do List Complete To Do List India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard v • e • d • h • w Requests: Sibichen K Mathew, Dominic Emmanuel, AK Merchant, Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. Raghava Iyengar, Silk in the Indian subcontinent, IDBI Bank More... Cleanup: , Rampur, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, Shipping Corporation of India, Velama, Medical college (India), All India Radio, More... Merge: Raghava Rama, Sammar Bahisht, Sathya Sai Baba movement,More... Expand: Prime Minister of India, Krishna district, List of railway stations in India, Swaraj, Ashoka Kumar Thakur vs. Union of India (Supreme Court Case), Barak Missile Deal Scandal, 14th Lok Sabha, Adithada, Ali Sardar Jafri, Bandhani work, Bhaiband, Chikan (embroidery), China Town, Kolkata, Rahi Masoom Raza, Energy policy of India, Essar Shipping, Fair use, Hinduism in India, Imperial Bank, Inbuan Wrestling, Iran-India relations, Islam in India, Arjuna award, Sunil Mittal, Save Indian Family, Anjana Sukhani, Rajendra K. Pachauri, More... Stubs: Anand Math, A R Antule, Arjuna award, Army of India, Bapudeva Sastri, Bombay Dyeing, Indian Copyright Act, Marimallappa, Mumbai Skywalk, More... Translate: Bhojpuri Wikipedia articles, Maithili Wikipedia articles, Telugu Wikipedia articles, Marathi Wikipedia articles, Hindi Wikipedia articles, Sanskrit Wikipedia articles, Tamil Wikipedia articles Kannada Wikipedia articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assessment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template v • e • d • h • w

News from Indian-language Wikipedias The Bengali Wikisource, which contains the literary works of many prominent writers of Bengali language including Rabindranath Tagore, has crossed the 5,000 pages milestone. According to List of Wikisource page, Bengali Wikisource is now at rank 21 among 56 Wikisource based on number of content pages. The uploading of Tamil technical words donated by Tamil Virtual University to the Tamil Wiktionary was completed in October. The words were donated by the Government of Tamil Nadu due to lobbying efforts by Tamil Wikipedians during the runup to the World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 (WCTC) in June. Nearly 70,000 words were uploaded increasing the word count in Tamil Wiktionary from 1,20,000+ to 1,90,000+. This has brought Tamil to the 10th place (from 17) in the list of largest wiktionaries and has earned it a place in the Wiktionary front page logo. In addition, Tamil Wikipedians set up a stall at the WCTC and introduced Tamil Wiki projects to people from all walks of life. The Hindi Wikipedia and its sister wiki projects migrated to the new vector interface on September 1, 2010. In addition, Hindi is the first (and so far the only) Indian language to be incorporated into the WikiBhasha translation and contribution toolkit developed by Microsoft Research. Malayalam wikimedian Santhosh Thottingal has developed a software (Wiki2CD) for the creation of the Malayalam Wikipedia CD, which was launched in 2010. In addition, Santosh, along with fellow Malayalam wikimedian Shiju Alex coordinated a panel discussion at Wikimania 2010 on creation of offline Wiki content.

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Community news Mumbai and Delhi held their first meetups in September, where Wikimedia Board members Barry Newstead and Bishakha Datta met up with Wikipedians and other interested members of the public in these cities. A month later, Hyderabad also held its first meetup. Wikipedians in Bangalore continued their tradition of meeting up regularly at the Centre for Internet and Society, with the nineteenth meetup in September featuring Barry and Bishaka as attendees, and marking the release of the community newsletter. Along with Delhi and Mumbai, Bangalore is reported to be one of the three cities in contention for the Indian office of the Wikipedia Foundation. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had an interaction with Wikipedians followed by a presentation to members of the public at the third Wikipedia meetup in Mumbai on October 31, 2010. The first Wikimarathon, where Wikipedians and members of the public were encouraged to contribute to Wikimedia projects onsite, was held simultaneously at the meetups in Bangalore and Chennai on November 14, 2010. Wikipedians in Delhi also held a meetup the same day. The Malayalam Wikipedia held several academies in different parts of Kerala over the past few months. Wikimedia Foundation board member Bishakha Datta and Indian Wikipedian Srinivas Gunta co-authored a panel presentation at Wikimania 2010 on the Wikimedia Asia Project.

Current proposals and discussions Please add Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics to your watchlist in order to stay updated with the latest discussions regarding various aspects of the project. Two current featured articles, 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings and Economy of India have been nominated for reviews here and here respectively. Contribute and help prevent these articles from being delisted! This interesting discussion on the quality of editing in India-related articles has been underway for on the noticeboard a few days. Feel free to join in and express your opinion. A series of discussions are underway on the neutrality of the Famine in India article. Please comment and help resolve the disputes. Join the Wikimedia India mailing list and the IRC channel for regular updates and discussions. Links to language-specific forums are available here. If you've just joined, add your name to the Members section of Wikipedia:WikiProject India. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Signed... SBC-YPR, Sodabottle (Editors) Tinucherian (Distributor) This newsletter incorporates content from the WikiMedia India Community Newsletter, September 2010.

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Welcome to The Downlink · Reorganisation of Space WikiProjects · User Activity Checks Welcome to The Downlink Welcome to The Downlink, a new monthly newsletter intended to inform members of WikiProject Spaceflight about the latest developments in the project and its articles. Future issues will contain information on issues under discussion, newly featured content, and articles written by members of the project to appear in the newsletter. All members of WikiProject Spaceflight are invited to contribute any content that they would like to see in the newsletter. If you were not aware of being a member of WikiProject Spaceflight, membership of the former Human spaceflight, Unmanned spaceflight, Timeline of spaceflight and Space colonization WikiProjects was merged into WikiProject spaceflight during the reorganisation of the spaceflight projects, for more details, please see below. Reorganisation of Space WikiProjects The ongoing discussion of the future of Space WikiProjects has been making progress. WikiProject Space was abolished on 5 December 2010, with the Spaceflight, Astronomy and Solar System projects becoming independent of each other. On the same day, an assessment banner, {{WikiProject Spaceflight}} was created for WikiProject Spaceflight to replace the generic space one which had been used previously. On 9 December, WikiProject Space Colonization was abolished, with its tasks being subsumed into WikiProject Spaceflight. On 12 December, the Human spaceflight and Unmanned spaceflight WikiProjects became task forces of WikiProject Spaceflight, whilst WikiProject Timeline of spaceflight became a working group. A number of issues are still under discussion: Introducing better defined assessment criteria and an A-class review process Setting clearer importance criteria for assessing articles Establishing a joint task force with the Astronomy and Solar System projects to cover space telescopes and planetary probes Defining the roles of projects, taskforces and working groups, and processes for establishing new ones Improving the profile and activity of the project Much of the current discussion is taking place on the WikiProject Spaceflight talk page, however there is still some discussion on the original proposal page. User Activity Checks A series of checks are underway to establish the numbers of users who are still active within WikiProject Spaceflight, its task forces and working group. All usernames on the members lists were struck out, and members were asked to unstrike their own names if they were still an active member of the project. If you wish to do so, and have not already, please unstrike your name from the master list, plus the lists on any applicable task forces or working groups Published by WikiProject Spaceflight, if you have any content you wish to include in future newsletters, please contribute

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Welcome to The Downlink · Project News · News from Orbit · Article News · Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics · Salyut 2 Welcome to The Downlink Welcome to the first full issue of The Downlink, a new monthly newsletter intended to inform members of WikiProject Spaceflight about the latest developments in the project and its articles. Below you will find information about happenings within the project, our recognised content, spaceflight in the news and events needing to be covered in articles. You will also find an editorial about the first concerted effort to develop featured topics related to spaceflight, and an article in need of your help and improvements. Project News will provide details of discussions about and changes in the organisation and structure of the project, newly recognised content, and changes in membership. News from Orbit will summarise spaceflight news and upcoming events, and list suggestions for articles in need of updating as a result. Article News will give details of requests for assistance within articles, and discussions regarding content. All members of WikiProject Spaceflight are invited to contribute any content that they would like to see in the newsletter, and we would particularly welcome the submission of editorials, or an article about an area of spaceflight which you are working on, or particularly interested in. Please see The Downlink page for more details. Project News A new working group has been formed. The space stations working group is expected to work towards creating Featured topics related to space stations. It currently has three members. Discussion within the project is still dominated by the reorganisation proposals. A discussion over the formation and roles of working groups and task forces has led to some clarification regarding working groups, however the roles of the task forces remain vague, and several proposals to abolish them have surfaced. The Human Spaceflight to-do list has been merged into the main project to-do list, with the combined list currently located on the Tasks page of the Spaceflight portal. A discussion regarding opening relations with the Aerospace biography task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation was held, but no conclusions were reached. The Article Alerts bot has resumed operation, and a problem with the information the bot had been delivering was discussed and resolved. New assessment criteria for importance and quality have been implemented, and refinements continue to be made to the importance scale. The scope of the project was redefined to exclude astronomical objects explicitly. Although A-class criteria have been defined, a review process is yet to be discussed or implemented. Colds7ream conducted an analysis of open tasks related to the reorganisation which four major issues remain unresolved: Discussion concerning the existence and roles of task forces within the project; recruitment of new editors; updating guidelines and whether the project or the task forces should be responsible for maintaining them; and the continued existence of the Human spaceflight portal six weeks after consensus was reached to abolish it. Discussion about the structure of the project is ongoing, with several proposals currently on the table. One proposal calls for the abolition of task forces in favour of increased emphasis on working groups, whilst another calls for the task forces to become a list of topics. The idea of a formal collaboration system has been suggested, however opposition has been raised. One of the main open tasks at the moment is replacing the older {{WikiProject Space}} and {{WikiProject Human spaceflight}} banners with the new {{WikiProject Spaceflight}} banner. Articles which need to be retagged are currently listed in Category:WikiProject Spaceflight articles using deprecated project tags. ChiZeroOne is doing a very good job replacing them, but as of the morning of 31 December, there are still 1,424 left to be converted. Additionally, the implementation of a new B-class checklist built into the template has necessitated the reassessment of former B-class articles, which the template has automatically classified as C-class. News from Orbit On 3 December, USA-212, the first X-37B, landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base after a successful mission. On 5 December Proton-M with a Blok DM-03 upper stage failed to place three Glonass-M satellites into orbit, the first of three failures in less than forty eight hours. The NanoSail-D2 spacecraft was supposed to have been ejected from FASTSAT in the early hours of the next morning, however it does not appear to have separated. Finally the Akatsuki spacecraft failed to enter orbit around Venus in the evening of 6 December. The Proton launch was the maiden flight of the Blok DM-03, which does not currently have an article. On 8 December the Dragon C1 demonstration mission was conducted, with the SpaceX Dragon making a little under two orbits of the Earth on its maiden flight, before landing in the Pacific Ocean to complete a successful mission. The Falcon 9 rocket which launched the Dragon spacecraft also deployed eight CubeSats: SMDC-ONE 1, QbX-1, QbX-2, Perseus 000, Perseus 001, Perseus 002, Perseus 003 and Mayflower. The CubeSats do not currently have articles. On 15 December, a Soyuz-FG launched Soyuz TMA-20 to the International Space Station, carrying three members of the Expedition 26 crew. It docked two days later. The Soyuz TMA-20 article is currently short, and could use improvements to bring it up to the same level as articles for US manned spaceflights. On 17 December, a Long March 3A launched Compass-IGSO2. There is currently no article for this satellite. 17 December saw Intelsat regain control of the Galaxy 15 satellite, which had been out of control since a malfunction in April. The Galaxy 15 article is in need of serious cleanup and a good copyedit. On 25 December a GSLV Mk.I failed to place GSAT-5P into orbit. A Proton-M with a Briz-M upper stage successfully launched KA-SAT on 26 December. Barring any suborbital launches at the end of the month which have not yet been announced (a NASA Black Brant was scheduled for December but does not appear to have flown), 2010 in spaceflight concluded on 29 December when an Ariane 5ECA launched the Hispasat-1E and Koreasat 6 spacecraft. These do not currently have articles. Four launches are currently scheduled to occur in January 2011. A Delta IV Heavy is expected to launch NRO L-49 on 17 January. The satellite is expected to be an Improved Crystal electro-optical imaging spacecraft. Two launches are planned for 20 January, with Kounotori 2, the second H-II Transfer Vehicle, being launched by an H-IIB, and the Zenit-3F making its maiden flight to deploy Elektro-L No.1, the first Russian geostationary weather satellite to be launched since 1994. On 28 January Progress M-09M will be launched by a Soyuz-U. 28 January will also be the twenty-fifth anniversary of the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger on mission STS-51-L. Article News It was requested that the article Walter Haeussermann be expanded. Haeussermann, a member of the von Braun rocket group, died on 8 December. Although the article has been updated following his death, a user requested that more information about the engineer be added. Another user requested that the articles Commercial Space Launch Act and Launch Services Purchase Act be created, to cover laws of the United States concerning spaceflight. Articles related to methods of taking-off and landing were discussed. The term VTVL currently has an article whilst VTHL and HTHL do not. It was suggested that the existing article should be merged, and each term be covered by the article for the equivalent aviation term, however some distinction between use in the fields of aviation and spaceflight should remain. Concern was raised that a large scale deletion request could cause many images to be lost from articles, help was requested to investigate whether any of the images were not subject to copyright, or if they were then whether they could be uploaded to the English Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. Concerns were raised about a large amount of content in the newly-created article deorbit of Mir duplicating existing content in existing Good Article Progress M1-5. A proposal to merge deorbit of Mir into Progress M1-5 was made, however objections were raised, and discussion has since stalled without reaching a consensus. It has also been requested that the article Mir be copyedited. The existence of separate categories for "spaceflight" and "space exploration" has been questioned, with a suggestion that some of the exploration categories, including Category:Space exploration iteslf, should be merged into their spaceflight counterparts. Missile Range Instrumentation Ship is currently listed at requested moves, with a proposal to rename it tracking ship. The only open good article nomination is of the book Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, which is currently awaiting review. Editorial – Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics There has recently been much talk about trying to increase the activity of the project. To this end, a major reorganisation effort has been undertaken, which has seen the space WikiProjects separated into the Astronomy, Solar System and Spaceflight groups, with WikiProject Space being abolished. We have also seen the child projects of WikiProject Spaceflight being abolished, with Timeline of Spaceflight becoming a working group, and the Unmanned and Human Spaceflight projects becoming task forces for now, with some suggestions that they should be abolished outright. The problem with the previous structure was that there were too many different groups of editors, and nobody was sure which projects were supposed to be doing what. Now there is only one project, this is somewhat clearer, but spaceflight is still a huge topic. Another way to improve the activity of the project is to attract more editors. Spaceflight is a topic which many people have at least a very casual interest in, and therefore it is strange that there are only about four or five people regularly participating in discussions on the project talk page. Evidently action is needed to raise the profile of the project. One way in which the project's profile can be raised is to have a major success associated with it. The creation of a featured topic could be one such success, and would also be hugely beneficial to articles in the area that it relates to. Space Stations are one of the most high-profile and notable areas of spaceflight, and are therefore a logical choice to spearhead such an initiative. To this end, in late December a working group was established to concentrate and coordinate efforts to establish featured topics related to space stations. An initial proposal calls for topics on Skylab, Salyut, Mir and the International Space Station, as well as one on space stations in general. There is currently an effort to get Mir promoted to Good Article status; the article currently requires a copyedit, after which it will be sent for peer review and then to GAN. This is by no means a short-term project. There are many articles, particularly for the larger space stations such as the ISS and Mir, which are currently nowhere near becoming recognised content. Skylab is the smallest of the proposed featured topics, but it still requires that three C-class articles, two Start-class articles and a redirect all reach at least Good Article status, with at least three becoming Featured Articles. The ISS topic is so large that it may have to be subdivided. I don't expect that we will have any featured topics by the end of the year, but I believe that a Good Topic, which requires all articles reach at least GA status, but does not require any featured articles, may be possible. I also believe that several articles on the subject can easily be improved to Good Article status, and some articles may be at featured level by the end of the year. In the long term, having featured topics will benefit the project and its content. Selected Article – Salyut 2 Salyut 2 was an early space station, launched in 1973 as part of the Salyut and Almaz programmes. It malfunctioned two days after launch, and consequently was never visited by a manned Soyuz mission. The Salyut 2 article describes the station: “ Salyut 2 (OPS-1)(Russian: Салют-2; English: Salute 2) was launched April 4, 1973. It was not really a part of the same program as the other Salyut space stations, instead being the highly classified prototype military space station Almaz. It was given the designation Salyut 2 to conceal its true nature. Despite its successful launch, within two days the as-yet-unmanned Salyut 2 began losing pressure and its flight control failed; the cause of the failure was likely due to shrapnel piercing the station when the discarded Proton rocket upper stage that had placed it in orbit later exploded nearby. On April 11, 1973, 11 days after launch, an unexplainable accident caused the two large solar panels to be torn loose from the space station cutting off all power to the space station. Salyut 2 re-entered on May 28, 1973. ” The article is currently assessed as start class, and is in need of attention. It consists of the above paragraph, along with a list of specifications and an infobox. The article needs to be rewritten in a more encyclopaedic style, and with more information about the space station. It has not yet been determined whether Salyut 2 would have to be included in a featured topic about the Salyut programme, or whether since it was never manned it is less integral to the topic, however if its inclusion were necessary then in its current form it would be a major impediment to this. Downlink readers are encouraged to improve this article, with a view to getting it to B-class and possibly a viable Good Article candidate by the end of the month. Published by WikiProject Spaceflight, if you have any content you wish to include in future newsletters, please contribute

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