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@Sakiv: That's funny. Zero^talk 12:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Do you think a 1986 article in Shomron Studies is reliable for claiming the ethnic history of people across Palestine? nableezy - 17:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nableezy: It's a hard question because I don't have the article in question. The author Grossman was a well-known demographer. What concerns me is the precision of the reports; the fact that a family or two has a tradition of coming from another place does not mean that the tradition is true, and it doesn't entitle us to write that the village population came from that other place. But it is hard to argue this without the source. Zero^talk 00:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I can find the source cited elsewhere but have had no luck in finding the actual source. nableezy - 05:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Grossman (2011), Rural Arab Demography and Early Jewish Settlement in Palestine: Distribution and Population Density During the Late Ottoman and Early Mandate Periods has stuff from the journal, idk if that could be used instead. Selfstudier (talk) 10:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I have that book and it could be useful for generalities, but it has little in the way of village by village details. I understand that the Hebrew edition was more expansive. Zero^talk 12:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I asked at WP:RX#A_Hebrew_article. The chances are small. I'm willing to pay for this article but the only way I can find to get it is to start a subscription. Zero^talk 02:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) Albertatiran (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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On Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world I created a talk page topic about a edit you reverted related to Kurds and Nuremberg laws Bobisland (talk) 05:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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I'm writing on behalf of the IP Server who started to edit at "British currency in the Middle East" on 29th March this year. The editor suddenly found the IP server range blocked, while being accused of being a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. The editor at the IP server categorically denies being TheCurrencyGuy, doesn't know TheCurrencyGuy, and has never interacted with him. Meanwhile, a editor called JMF has been on the talk page at "British currency in the Middle East" stating that at least some of the recent edits were definitely done by TheCurrencyGuy. Well, so he says, but not one of the edits carried out by the blocked IP server since 29th March was done by TheCurrencyGuy, and it doesn't appear that anybody else edited during that period. It would be interesting to see what JMF's evidence is, but meanwhile he has reverted all the hard work and careful research that was carried out since 29th March. The article is now in an inferior state with many factual inaccuracies that had been corrected by the blocked IP server. 77.99.242.50 (talk) 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

JMF's advice to get an account is what I would advise too. And the best way to avoid text being removed for being unsourced is to add sources at the same time as the text. Zero^talk 03:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

An account cannot be created until it is acknowledged that the blocked IP server is not a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Meanwhile, the editor using the blocked IP server categorically denies the accusation, and says that this is the only important issue at the moment. Can you please help to have the investigation re-visited. The blocked IP editor has checked the editing history of TheCurrencyGuy to see what the alleged similarities are, and has noted that TheCurrencyGuy began his editing days by correcting the format of a foreign currency on some article, and then over time did likewise with many other currency units, and his focus seemed to be on spelling and formatting. The blocked IP server would like to point out that this style has got nothing in common with matters relating to the history of currency in the Middle East. If you can get the IP server unblocked, then the editor will be able to discuss the matter with you directly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.242.50 (talk) 20:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The IP server that was blocked at the same time as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jahor12345 is not connected. Both were editing simultaneously on different articles during the morning of 3rd April 2024. That was the session when you became involved on the talk page about the meaning of the word miri. The IP server began with detailed edits about the Egyptian pound, and then around noon, switched over to British currency in the Middle East. Meanwhile, editor Jahor12345 was editing across a wide range of currency topics, mainly reformatting. The editing styles are completely different. The IP server carried out edits at 1204hrs and 1206hrs, while Jahor12345 carried out an edit in the middle of that two minute period at 1205hrs. They couldn't possibly be the same person.81.134.217.27 (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

You are not convincing me, and anyway I do not have the authority to overrule the results of WP:SPI. I don't see the slightest reason why someone can't make an account if they want to edit. Zero^talk 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:RSP on MondoWeiss: Mondoweiss is a news website operated by the Center for Economic Research and Social Change (CERSC), an advocacy organization. There is no consensus on the reliability of Mondoweiss. Editors consider the site biased or opinionated, and its statements should be attributed. It should either not be used at all — or used with great caution — for biographies of living people. We need to attribute in text when we use it. Removing attribution, as you've done in a number of articles, goes against the community consensus. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bobfrombrockley: It means that the authors of articles in MW should be attributed for their claims. It doesn't say "stuff in MW should be attributed to MW", it says that statements in MW "should be attributed", which always means that opinions or claims should be attributed to whoever is giving the opinion or making the claim (note the meaning of "attributed" in the link). The only time it implies that MW as a magazine should be attributed for something is when the article at hand is when MW itself is the author (e.g. an editorial). Also, if MW was to be attributed it would have to be like "according to MW", which is not what you have been writing — what you have been writing is not an attribution at all per WP jargon but rather a part of the citation placed in the text against usual practice. Zero^talk 13:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I might take this to another forum as I had never understood it in this way so would welcome clarification. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Zero0000: Why did you put your comment half way up the discussion? scope_creep^Talk 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Your signature is very annoying. Zero^talk 15:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

To someone who was killed in a "brief massacre", its "briefness" would not be the slightest mitigating factor. My recommendation would be to avoid incongruous dimunitizing expressions such as "brief massacre", "slight temporary genocide", or "gentle rape" as arguments for your edits, whether to the Kfar Etzion massacre article or elsewhere on Wikipedia... AnonMoos (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: Wow, my very own stupid personal attack. It's my lucky day. Zero^talk 23:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep on searching the thesaurus for oxymoronic adjective-noun combinations like "non-violent murder" and "tiny little extermination campaign" all you want, but you won't be improving Wikipedia by doing so. AnonMoos (talk) 00:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Two kisses on the same day are enough. Now kindly improve my user page by pissing off. Go on, shoo. Zero^talk 01:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I replied on the Mandatory flag thread above (I also quickly got tired of that discussion in 2022, though there was more to say). AnonMoos (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hi. I see that you reverted my contribution to the page about antisemitism on Harvard’s campus after 2020. I'm aware of the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict. My intention was not to post on that conflict but to report on important antisemitic incidents happening on college campuses, which I understood was the point of this page. I get that these protests are influenced, in part, by the Arab-Israeli conflict, but is there a way to acknowledge the catalyst while avoiding violating the extended confirmed restriction and contentious topics procedure relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Do you have any recommendations on how I can reword some of my content to un-revert it and restore it to the page? Thank you very much. HistoryBook123 (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@HistoryBook123: They aren't just "influenced" by the A-I conflict, they are part of it. Anyway the ARBPIA topic designation says "broadly interpreted" so there is really no doubt that the material is included. Your only option is to put an edit proposal on the talk page. I didn't make the rules and if I don't enforce them for sure someone else will. Your edit also contained opinion written in wikivoice so it wouldn't have lasted long even if you had the required credentials. Zero^talk 04:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the blocked IP server that I used in April to make edits at British currency in the Middle East, I've opened up this special account in order to help resolve the situation. I can't edit again util the administrator who blocked my address revisits the original investigation. But even with this special account, I still can't seem to be able to edit on their talk page. I appreciate that you yourself don't have the authority to over rule that result, but I'd be grateful if you could contact Bbb23 on my behalf and ask them if they could take a look at the evidence again. I can assure you that I am definitely not TheCurrencyGuy. I've looked at his edits. His style and purpose was quite different from mine, and besides I did show you evidence last month that we were both editing at the exact same time on different articles. I'd be most grateful if you could help. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I've put the message like this, but I seem to have formatted it wrongly. Can you please help me to format it and I'll post it again,

{{To|Bbb23}}I'd be grateful if you could contact me here regarding a block on my IP server which you did on 12th April. Somebody alleged that I am a sockpuppet of an editor called TheCurrencyGuy. I am assuredly not however. The accusation involved another editor with a name something like Jahor12345 who was also blocked for being a sockpuppet of TheCurencyGuy. I have no idea whether they were or not, but I did find evidence that Jahor12345 was editing at exactly the same time as me on different articles. The only thing we seem to have in common is the fact that we were editing on currency related articles, but not with the same style or purpose. I look forward to hearing from you.~~~~

Specialrequestaccount (talk) 08:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the blocking administrator is going to reply. Is there some kind of notice board that I can go to in order to highlight this issue? I think it's quite important. I was editing in good faith and suddenly blocked, just because I happened to be editing on currency related articles and because there is a blocked editor called TheCurrencyGuy. But there is something very seriously wrong when those involved aren't open to discussing the evidence. The blocking administrator must know fine well that the IP servers don't match. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You can write at WP:AN/I but it's possible nobody will be interested, as are there are currently no sanctions against your account. You'll need to explain everything with diffs and not assume that anyone is aware of it. Zero^talk 14:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'll maybe do that. Although there are no sanctions against this account, it's still impossible for me to edit on the Middle East currency articles that I had been editing on with the IP server, because I would be immediately blocked again, based on the belief of Bbb23 that I am a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. Until that belief has been officially debunked by, either Bbb23, or by some other administrator, I will have no future in the project. This began in March when I was studying the schism between the Egyptian piastre and the Turkish piastre in 1844. I had obtained books on the topic and I also referred to the relevant Wikipedia articles. These articles were quite useful, but it was clear that they contained many inaccuracies. I set about correcting the information in these articles and I thought I had got them into a much more accurate state. I was nearly finished, and about to make an edit relating to the Saudi Riyal when suddenly I found myself blocked, having been accused of abusively indulging in sockpuppetry. And soon after that, another editor wiped out every single bit of work that I had done, expressly stating that the reason wasn't based on the content on the edits, but on the grounds that he believed me to be a sockpuppet of TheCurrencyGuy. It's turned me pretty sour about the project, but I'm still holding out hope that there must surely be some administrator who can check out that my IP server was different from TheCurrencyGuy's, and that likely we are in totally different geographical locations, and that the entire focus of our edits is quite different, and that at one point we were editing on different articles at exactly the same time. There is something seriously wrong with the system if this cannot be ascertained, and that people simply get blocked because they edit on an article that is of interest to another editor who has been blocked.Specialrequestaccount (talk) 18:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey Zero, please give me your input on the Misandry discussion. I just can't keep arguing with these people anymore. It feels like we need a way bigger team of admins involved. Someone just told me "admins don't have any special authority in content disputes." ImmersiveOne (talk) 14:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

can you please strike booth the non ECR comment as well as your response in the Talk page? when you leave it this way it seams like you care more about "winning" wikipedia and getting your pov heard then to actually Resolve the content dispute

thank in advance. 79.180.47.77 (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Certainly not. First, it is only permitted to remove edit summaries under very limited circumstances and this is not one of them. Second, as you well know, you are limited to edit requests and your other comments are not permitted. I didn't make the rules, but I am allowed to enforce them. So, whatever "dispute" is happening there, you are not a party to it. You can always make yourself an account and work up to EC if you want to participate. Zero^talk 22:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with navigating the stages to appeal the block. I think the matter has now been resolved. It seems that TheCurrencyGuy is geographically close to me and that contributed towards the suspicion. I may or may not return to editing, but if I do, I will either use the IP server again or create another account with a more suitable username. Specialrequestaccount (talk) 10:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The Telegraph and trans issues. Thank you. I am informing you because you have commented on a prior RfC on a similar issue. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 02:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Since you helped me to get the project back on track again, see my user page to understand what it was all about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Specialrequestaccount Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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There are some transcripts in Law and the Arab-Israeli Conflict The Trials of Palestine Steven E. von Zipperstein if you haven't seen those. Selfstudier (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I just got that book yesterday but hadn't looked at it yet. Zero^talk 03:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Is https://unifil.unmissions.org/sites/default/files/unifilpresskit.pdf (the section Shab'a Farms on p.6) in accord with your understanding of the current position? Anyway it does say "With the UN having placed the Shebaa Farms area south of the Blue Line at the time the line was established, Israel considers them part of the Golan, rather than Lebanon. Hence, it would only negotiate with Syria, and address the issue in Syrian-Israeli peace talks on the Golan." Salud. Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: Yes, that's my understanding. Is it contrary to what I wrote in the article? Zero^talk 11:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

No, not at all, was just checking that it was still current, apart from that, I saw you said you wanted a later source for the Israeli position, will it do? Selfstudier (talk) 11:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: Right, good point. I'll add it. Zero^talk 12:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Zero, just wanted to chat about this page. By way of intro, I'm a clinical psychologist with 30 years experience. I would respectfully suggest that to not include this account, reported in great detail by The New Yorker from interviewing Loftus, would leave this page incomplete and lacking encyclopaedic credibility. For those of us in the profession this revelation changed everything about Loftus's position. It was quite incredible that she herself gave one of the best examples of not remembering and then recalling a traumatic memory.

Her word for word quote “the memory flew out at me, out of the blackness of the past, hitting me full force” is a clear and classic account of recovering a repressed memory - you don't get better . All a repressed traumatic memory is is a memory that was not remembered for a period of time and then it is when it is triggered - it's not a complex psychological concept. I'm happy to work with you on wording you're comfortable with as a full account is more important than the wording. I did try to rely on attributed quotes rather than use my own words. You might like to discuss with a friendly psychologist. Cheers Penny Pennylewis (talk) 22:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pennylewis: You need to read the whole source. "But Loftus never forgot what happened. She had shared the memory with Geoff shortly after they married. “It wasn’t ‘Oh, my God, I was abused,’” he said. “It was more like ‘What’s more, I myself was abused.’" It is not for us to interpret the source according to what we would like it to mean. The source does not say that she had repressed the incident from her childhood until it suddenly came out in a courtroom, so we aren't allowed to say that either per WP:NOR. Nobody except Loftus herself can say that, and per WP:NOR it doesn't make a difference what your expertise is, sorry. Yes, I know that people who dispute Loftus' views would just love it if she proved herself wrong, but that's something to argue in professional venues, not here. Zero^talk 01:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I have to admit, with some chagrin, that I did not see that para of her not forgetting it. A colleague sent me the part that I shared and I guess I assumed that there was little point to highlighting it if she had remembered it all along! Sucked in by the journalistic sensationalism. Should have read the entire article in detail. I am embarrassed and am grateful that you very graciously dealt with my error here. With due respect to you. Pennylewis (talk) 07:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, do you know how to fix this problem?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Help_with_Harvnb_refs Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: I have just now fixed it for you.Davidbena (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You are involved in a recently filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Referral from the Artibration Enforcement noticeboard regarding behavior in Palestine-Israel articles and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks,

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, do you have access to this source? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/yearbook-of-international-humanitarian-law/article/abs/changing-the-landscape-israels-gross-violations-of-international-law-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan/149F5F3EBF6612F469AFB4ABBF2C2820#access-block Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: Yes. I can give it to you if you send me mail. Zero^talk 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You have mail. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

One more? https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537689 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, do you have access to these two?

https://brill.com/display/title/172

https://www.academia.edu/89471324/Herods_Judaea

--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: You can read the first one in the Wikipedia library. Most Brill works are there. See email in 5 mins about the second one. Zero^talk 06:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Think you meant Palestinian here? Selfstudier (talk) 11:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Ooops, thinks, thanks. Zero^talk 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Could you clarify why you consider the Jewish Virtual Library an unreliable source? I used it to provide context to Rabbi Shlomo Goren’s military service, and the information I referenced is sourced from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Please explain your reasoning for labeling it as unreliable. Best regards. MeirKovner (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

See their entry at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources, the community has designated it as generally unreliable. Selfstudier (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@MeirKovner: As Selfstudier wrote, JVL has been judged unreliable by consensus. However, if JVL cites information to some reliable source you can cite that source. But you have to examine the reliable source yourself; you can't just take JVL's word that the information is there. I have seen JVL cite some source but when I went to that source I found that the information wasn't there at all. It's things like this that make JVL unreliable. Zero^talk 22:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

You said it doesn't mention communist monarchy. I read the text. I know it's likely a forgery and even if it wasn't, I support some of the things in the text. I woudn't mind a communist monarchy. But the text clearly supports it. It mentions a Jewish king and the support for communism. I personally support a world government for world peace. Do you care to explain how my edits were incorrect? Nashhinton (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nashhinton: I have also read it, along with many commentaries. Most translations don't mention communism by name. But our opinions are irrelevant because in Wikipedia we report what reliable sources say about the topic and nothing else. The sourcing standard in this article is intentionally very strict because of the huge amount of crap written on the subject. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body of an article, so it is not the place to put new material. Zero^talk 15:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Are there different versions of protocols of elders of zion? Like, do some versions add and make up stuff that wasn't in the original text? Nashhinton (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nashhinton: There are multiple early Russian versions with large and small differences between them, and multiple translations (and translations of translations) with different degrees of fidelity. Some "translations" are not really translations at all but more like running commentaries. Zero^talk 23:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

One reason why the Shebaa Farms entry is such a mess is that the Lebanese military map from 1966, which was uploaded to wikipedia more than five years ago, was deleted entirely.

As you know, I put that map on the Golan Heights page. In return, not only was the map was deleted from the Golan entry, it was deleted from the Shebaa Farms entry and from Wikipedia itself.

It was quickly deleted on the grounds that it was "redundant", after you argued to keep it.

I have instituted a deletion review. But clearly I'm at a disadvantage here by not knowing all the ins and outs of complex wikipedia protocols.

You seem to want to tell the documented truth, rather than allow hand-waving falsehoods such as that "Syria accepts that the territory is Lebanese" when you know the history is far more complex than that. (Both Lebanon and Syria said the territory was Syria for decades and even today, Assad will not say it is Lebanese territory. That map is critical to showing that the entry on Shebaa Farms implying Syria always accepted it as Lebanese territory is simply not accurate)

Could you please find the deletion review -- which I have not yet found even though I instituted it -- or begin one of your own to get that map back?

Otherwise all I know how to do is send this entire thing to arbitration, because people are using wikiprocedures to bury me.GreekParadise (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@GreekParadise: I see that you rediscovered the deletion review at WP:Deletion_review#File:1966_Official_Lebanese_Map_of_Shebaa_Farms_and_Syrian_border.png. A quick way would have been to check your own contribs. I'll look at it. Zero^talk 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I did rediscover it. Thank you.GreekParadise (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

And thank you for your contribution on the map deletion review page. I really do appreciate it. I do recognize you are acting in good faith, even if we disagree on the proper use of some of the sources. I just want to accurately reflect them.

The UN found the territory to be Lebanese for a good reason, and both Lebanon and Syria have had conflicting positions over the years. I want those positions to be reflected in the article in all their confusing complexity rather than a blanket statement one way or the other which would be simple but inaccurate. And if you can ever find a clear single public statement by the Syrian government actually saying it's Lebanese territory, I would readjust my view on this. Have you ever found one?

To me, the lack of a Syrian public statement is telling, as is the Syrian refusal of the repeated UN requests to demarcate the boundaries. A Syrian official privately told the UN one thing in 2000 while Assad privately said the opposite in 2011. To me, the implication is that Syrian doesn't want to have a public position (that they want to keep the land as Syrian but while Israel occupies it, they can suggest in private but not say in public it's Lebanese territory). Obviously we can't say that. We can only state their position before 2000 that it was Syrian and then state the private indicators and private counter-indicators of their contradictory positions thereafter. It's fine to state the UN said a Syrian official said this and a diplomat said Assad said that while we should also note there does not appear to be a clear Syrian position publicly stated by the Syrian government.~~~ GreekParadise (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

There was a recent discussion and subsequent editing about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)/Archive_1#Israel's_alleged_occupation_of_Lebanon Selfstudier (talk) 17:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Re: this comment, I'm working on the page killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine war, and I would like to ask if you have any reccommendations of WP:BESTSOURCES for this history? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Motion 1: Appeals only to ArbCom

Motion 2b: Word limits

Motion 2c: Word limits

Motion 5: PIA5 Case

Addendum

In passing motion #5 to open a Palestine-Israel articles 5 case, the Committee has appointed three drafters: Aoidh, HJ Mitchell, and CaptainEek. The drafters have resolved that the case will open on November 30. The delay will allow the Committee time to resolve a related private matter, and allow for both outgoing and incoming Arbitrators to vote on the case. The drafters have changed the party list to the following individuals:

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Selfstudier. Thank you. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. You removed my comment in the talk section of “Jewish Voices for Peace” stating the criticism that the group has is not actually being Jewish (they non-Jewish members) but use their name to shield themselves from accusations of antisemitism be included in the article’s criticism section. This is a common criticism of the group (see the source I listed) and I don’t see why my comment was removed. Whether you believe this to be true should not be a factor in its inclusion. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@71.179.129.209: You wrote "non-Jews can be members and make up the majority" but the source only says "some of the members of JVP are not Jews at all". Nothing about a majority. The first rule about choosing a source is that it supports the text you want to cite to it. Zero^talk 06:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, remove “majority”. They have been criticized for using “Jewish” in their name to shield themselves from accusations of antisemitism (whether that is a valid criticism is another matter). Seems like something you should reply to my comment instead of deleting. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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Is this just a careless error? or something intentional? I.M.B. (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Industrial Metal Brain: I suspect they intended to remove the 1947 case but hit the wrong section link. Zero^talk 05:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Maybe, but wouldn't they see what they were deleting? They even wrote something explaining it? It would make sense if there was a "delete section" button, but it seems hard to miss? Unless there is an editing tool that does have a delete section button? but editing tools usually auto tag in edit summaries. I.M.B. (talk) 12:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

If it's a one-off it's probably nothing. It just seemed like a weird error. I.M.B. (talk) 12:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Zero0000, in the open Palestine-Israel articles 5 arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the proposed decision, see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Proposed decision. For the Arbitration Committee, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

The arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5 has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

• All articles whose topic is strictly within the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area shall be extended confirmed protected by default, without requiring prior disruption on the article.
• AndreJustAndre, BilledMammal, Iskandar323, Levivich, Makeandtoss, Nableezy, Nishidani, and Selfstudier are indefinitely topic banned from the Palestine-Israel conflict, broadly construed. These restrictions may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
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Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5 closed

Hello Zero! I have a question that I wish you can answer. You previously encountered me on the MEMRI TV talk page where you deleted my reply to another user (and their reply) named "the odd edit" or something similar. The guideline you cited was WP:ARBECR, which states non Ext-Con editors should only be in talk pages regarding edit requests. That same editor put up a re-edited version of their reply to me as a separate topic and I replied to them about it. My question to you is whether that's also not allowed to reply as an non Extended-confirmed user to topics others started and if I should delete my reply to them.

I ask this because an extended confirmed user replied to them furthering the discussion of the post and id assume they would know whether or not they are allowed to do that.

Sorry for the long winded question, I wish you a good day! AssanEcho (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@AssanEcho: Aside from clearly defined edit requests (replace X by Y), non-EC editors are not allowed to write anything on talk pages covered by ARBECR. EC-editors are allowed to delete anything else. Usually we don't delete a non-EC comment if an EC-editor has responded to it, but that doesn't give permission for the non-EC editor to continue the conversation. If this seems anomalous, you aren't completely wrong, but it's the rules. Zero^talk 00:52, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you for the well written answer! I'll cease replying now beyond my edits requests. AssanEcho (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Your recent clarification request has been archived with consensus among participating arbitrators that "strictly within the Arab–Israeli conflict topic area" refers to "primary articles" in the area of conflict. For the Arbitration Committee, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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