Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association

Continue the discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_46#Conference_finals_mvp

Support for reasons above

This discussion looks like it is largely over and should have reached its resolution by now, who has the ability to close it?

-- Abbasi786786 (talk) 23:41, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

What source evidence is there that this award is prominently featured in overview-level independent secondary biographies of the winners to satisfy WP:WEIGHT? Left guide (talk) 00:31, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose I was a part of that discussion and at best it would have been closed as no consensus. However, we just had a major battle of what should go in the infoboxes. That being said my oppose is because it is a secondary award. One day (not now) we will come to our senses and just remove all awards from the infoboxes.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:43, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

  @UCO2009bluejay: One day (not now) we will come to our senses and just remove all awards from the infoboxes. FWIW, that's what the NHL project has done, as infobox award disputes are a relatively disproportionate drain on volunteer time, which is generally better spent researching and writing prose. Left guide (talk) 00:49, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

  ... which is generally better spent researching and writing prose: There's a good set of sports editors who mostly only edit infoboxes, lists, and tables. —Bagumba (talk) 00:56, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

  Yes I have noticed that. Maybe Wikidata is a better match for their skills/interests. Left guide (talk) 01:02, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

  I am aware that is what hockey has done. I argued that point extensively on WT:NFL recently. But boosterism is a thing. Heck, I often bring up how an editor in one of these discussions acted as if these were "rewarding" the player. As if the infoboxes were a trophy case. In regards to editing interests, there is a lot that can be done in multiple aspects of this project. Some do it as a hobby, some an interest, some to decompress. But yes, too much productive time is spent arguing something that can easily be remedied.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:23, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Support - I was very surprised this isn't included in the infobox. All MLB page infoboxes include LCS MVPs, which is the equivalent of the conference finals for the NBA. If including "NBA Cup champion" and "NBA Cup MVP" is so necessary for the infobox, then certainly the conference finals MVP is. Red0ctober22 (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Comment This is weird as hell having the active discussion in the archive. Furthermore with a 10 for and 4 against, it is quite odd to me that we have not closed that as a consensus.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:59, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Upon closer inspection, this is just pointing to a two year old discussion. I have notified WP:CR of what appears to me to be a consensus.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:59, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Note that some IP editors are adding "game official" boxes to season articles.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:15, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

You should let the user(s) know if you're contesting it. Per WP:CIVIL, editors are expected to be responsive to good-faith questions.—Bagumba (talk) 01:33, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

I have noticed that Stephen Curry and Victor Wembanyama are the only two players with the Western Conference Finals MVP award in their infox. I am not sure if these award is under the NBA include or exclude list because when I last checked their was no mention of them. I just want to know if they can be include in their infobox or not because if it is not then the award in Stephen Curry and Victor Wembanyama's infobox needs to be removed. AloofStorm5476 (talk) 00:26, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I believe the last extensive discussion was at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 46 § Conference finals mvp —Bagumba (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Was there an agreement to include that award in their infobox or no? AloofStorm5476 (talk) 01:13, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Currently at a roadblock in improving Scottie Barnes' article for a GAN in regards to his player profile. Looking at the sections for player comps such as Giannis and Draymond, I have a very general idea of what should be covered (defensive versatility, playmaking, jump shot issues, etc.) but I don't really know how to translate it, and I can't find many sources which consistently cover his strengths and weaknesses in an objective voice. Would appreciate any help in this regard. Hsnkn (talk) 06:29, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

You can also look at Michael Jordan, which is an WP:FA. As for Barnes' current content, I have doubts whether Raptors Republic is reliable. You can also refer to WP:NBARS. —Bagumba (talk) 06:46, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

That's a pretty good set of sources you added in the recent expansion. Oftentimes the local paper in the team's home area has more detailed coverage on things like this, if you're inclined to go deeper. Left guide (talk) 08:01, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Would comments from coaches and other players be considered a primary source, particularly if they're on the same team as him? Hsnkn (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Yeah. It's not prohibited per se, but in such cases I'd probably attribute statements, and also be cautious to avoid undue weight and excessive bias. Left guide (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

NintendoTTTEfan2005 made this edit

1. Claiming basketball reference is not reliable and also mirrors Wikipedia, which disqualifies it from being used a regular source
2. Replacing it instead with an archive (non-live) link to NBA.com with access date of "accessed August 4, 2008".

Basketball Reference is listed as reliable at WP:NBAGREL. I also dont understand replacing it with some old archive and not a live page.—Bagumba (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Isn't NBA.com a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE anyway? I mean even using that criteria is passes #3 on that list. However, Pro Basketball Reference is reliable. The WP:ONUS should be on him to prove it isn't.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:41, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

NBA.com is arguably not independent. Actually, any stats DB is a primary source. —Bagumba (talk) 03:45, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Basketball-Reference certainly isn't a mirror of Wikipedia; I was using it as a source to create Wikipedia articles over 20 years ago. I don't think it's perfect, but neither is NBA.com. Pretty much every sports database of that size is going to have some mistakes, but a source can still be generally reliable even if it isn't infallible. Zagalejo (talk) 04:40, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

The edit linked appears to be a dispute over sources but not data. If there's no data discrepancy, just include both, and call it a day. I don't see the point in debating between two sources that are both correct. Left guide (talk) 07:47, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

It's kind of like citing the sky is blue, but Basketball Reference doesn't techinically say Jermaine O'Neal was drafted out of high school (though a reader could assume that). When I click more at the NBA.com ref, it leads to an expanded bio that says "was drafted by the NBA right out of high school". The NBA.com link they provided for McGrady doesn't say that though so it looks like NintendoTTTEfan2005 is just changing sources for no reason. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:16, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Well, NintendoTTTEfan2005 chooses to not communicate, so I'll go with your guess about the O'Neal ref. I've updated it to more standard citation formatting, noting also that it is an archive. I've reverted the McGrady source back to the long-standing, independent, reliable source. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 06:16, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I noticed this in the infobox of a few current Knicks (Ariel Hukporti Pacôme Dadiet, Tyler Kolek, Landry Shamet). According to NBA G League § NBA G League Showcase, it's essentially a mid-season scouting event for NBA GMs, in which each G League team plays. I figure I'd discuss here instead of just boldly removing from all players (not just Knicks), and then we can update WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS accordingly if there is any consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

• Remove Not defining enough to meet WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE.—Bagumba (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
• Remove G-League honors from the infobox for reasonably established NBA players at least, as too trivial. We shouldn't celebrate minor league awards in a major league player's infobox. I'm undecided on career G-Leaguers for whom such awards are presumably of greater relative significance. Left guide (talk) 06:46, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
• Comment I've removed them from those Knicks players. We can see if there is any more input before proceeding further.—Bagumba (talk) 20:51, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
• Remove It's basically a public relations event. It's never going to be written about in these players' obituaries, and it certainly has little to no significance even in the present. SportsGuy789 (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2026 (UTC)
• Remove but I disagree with Left guide’s suggestion of getting rid of all G League awards for “established” NBA players. We would need to define “established” at a minimum (players who earn All-G League or individual designations are playing significant minutes in the G League or they wouldn't qualify for them), and adding awards on an “if/then” basis (e.g. same award added for some recipients and not others) never works in my experience. Rikster2 (talk) 20:14, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

From Talk:LeBron James § Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2026, there's a difference of 4 minutes between NBA.com and Basketball Reference in James' playing time in 2004-05, resulting in a 0.1 difference in minutes average. —Bagumba (talk) 23:33, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

I've been thinking about creating some new articles for other NBA annual leaders stats such as turnovers. Are there any other annual leader stats that anyone can recommend and I can create those articles? AloofStorm5476 (talk) 15:43, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Any list needs to meet WP:LISTN:

One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines, and other guidelines on appropriate stand-alone lists.

Best to write some prose citing such coverage, which demonstrates that the notability guideline is met. See List of NBA annual free throw scoring leaders, which doesn't have any such sources cited. That's at risk of being deleted. —Bagumba (talk) 22:38, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

I can add some sources to that article so that it's not at further risk of being deleted. AloofStorm5476 (talk) 01:57, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Agree w/ Bagumba. Ideally, {{NBA statistical leaders}} would be tamed to only include entries that meet WP:NLIST. One alternative option could be to merge a given non-notable list topic into a sentence or two of prose at its respective stats concept article (i.e. "player X has the NBA record for stat Y with a total of Z"). Left guide (talk) 01:22, 22 June 2026 (UTC)