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I was looking for this article and couldn't find it, until a helpful soul on the WikiProject pointed me to it. I think I was hampered by the title, which doesn't seem quite right. Might I suggest 2026 Keir Starmer leadership crisis instead? The crisis is about Starmer and his position in particular. Bondegezou (talk) 07:14, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
Oppose – The crisis is about the entire UK politics not just the PM Keir Starmer. Qshilks (talk) 08:50, 13 May 2026 (UTC)(
Blocked sockpuppet)
- I don't feel it's a crisis in the Conservative Party, Reform UK, or the LibDems. It's a crisis within the Labour Party. The plotters and supporters want a Labour government to continue. It's not going to lead to a new general election. It's just about who the leader/PM should be. I would guess, longer term, the most likely outcome is that this all gets renamed 2026 Labour Party leadership election (UK). Bondegezou (talk) 10:12, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- As per WP:COMMONNAME, I tried to look at how the media is referring to the situation. The Guardian, BBC, BBC again, The Herald and WSJ go with "leadership crisis". The BBC here go with "Starmer's fight for survival". The Sunday Guardian has "UK Labour crisis". A Google news search for "government crisis" doesn't turn up much and most of it is not about this, but ABC do go with that phrase for these events. Bondegezou (talk) 10:47, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- FYI, the 2022 Conservative party crises articles use the term "government crisis." — Knightoftheswords 15:18, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- I'd agree with this. Leadership/Labour crisis seems a more fitting name. At the time of writing most sources have viewed this incident as a battle for the top position, rather than something threatening to bring the entire government down/cause a general election RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 15:40, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- As per WP:COMMONNAME, I tried to look at how the media is referring to the situation. The Guardian, BBC, BBC again, The Herald and WSJ go with "leadership crisis". The BBC here go with "Starmer's fight for survival". The Sunday Guardian has "UK Labour crisis". A Google news search for "government crisis" doesn't turn up much and most of it is not about this, but ABC do go with that phrase for these events. Bondegezou (talk) 10:47, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- I don't feel it's a crisis in the Conservative Party, Reform UK, or the LibDems. It's a crisis within the Labour Party. The plotters and supporters want a Labour government to continue. It's not going to lead to a new general election. It's just about who the leader/PM should be. I would guess, longer term, the most likely outcome is that this all gets renamed 2026 Labour Party leadership election (UK). Bondegezou (talk) 10:12, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose – This is a crisis impacting the government of the United Kingdom in 2026, hence the title 2026 United Kingdom government crisis. Also see: July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis and October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis for past examples in the UK as well as others in Category:Government crises such as 2024–2025 Canadian political crisis. Yeoutie (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming it 2026 Keir Starmer leadership crisis. While it obviously is Keir Starmer who is at the center, the topic of the article is not just him, but also the Labour Party and the Labour government as a whole. I might be more open to a name like 2026 Labour Party (UK) leadership crisis (potentially within the "(UK)" since disambigutation isn't needed). This isn't a perfect name, but right now does describe the scope of the article well, and matches the terms used elsewhere. Gust Justice (talk) 23:34, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
- I would be happy with 2026 Labour Party leadership crisis. 2024–2025 Canadian political crisis is interesting as that's another wording again. Bondegezou (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- I agree, it also seems to be much more in line with how it's been referred to in the media, while "UK Government crisis" seems to be just a name picked by a wikipedia editor and also feels just lke a really weird phrasing. I think political crisis would also be a better name for it than "Government crisis" too Bejakyo (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- I would be happy with 2026 Labour Party leadership crisis. 2024–2025 Canadian political crisis is interesting as that's another wording again. Bondegezou (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming it as '2026 Keir Starmer leadership crisis', I prefer the current title, but would support '2026 United Kingdom Labour government crisis' as an alternative. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:08, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's not a government crisis, it's a Labour leadership contest. It's not going to lead to a general election or other major change in UK politics. This article should be deleted and replaced with an article called 2026 UK Labour leadership election.
- News headlines are sensationalist and should not be used to generate Wikipedia articles.
- If the word "crisis" is used, then the article should spell out exactly what the crisis is. And Unite the union cutting labour party funding by 40% doesn't quite fulfil that criteria. Nor does "public dissatisfaction". BOOBOOBEAKER (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support change, though I think I prefer 2026 Labour Party leadership crisis per @Bondegezou's points re WP:COMMONNAME, and also note that the category "2026 United Kingdom government crisis" currently contains 6 pages and only one of those, 2026 British cabinet reshuffle, is about the UK government.
- Orange sticker (talk) 08:38, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Orange sticker Agreed this is the best choice, and matches how most media are reporting on the events of this. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 14:26, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose name change Right now this IS a government crisis, not just a party crisis. Keir Starmer serves as the PM, and he appointed members of his party, oh where did we see that before? Thats right, the two consecutive conservative led governments. shane (talk to me if you want!) 13:58, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
Thanks all for everyone's thoughtful input. To try and summarise: I see a majority for ... leadership crisis, but with a preference for 2026 Labour Party leadership crisis over 2026 Keir Starmer leadership crisis. That was supported by 6 (me, RandomEditsForWhenIRemember, Gust Justice, Bejayko, BOOBOOBEAKER, Orange sticker), while 3 (Qshilks, Yeoutie, DeFacto) opposed, and Knightoftheswords281 commented without expressing a preference. I hope I've not misrepresented anyone.
This is a !vote, so we should consider arguments made. Both sides argued that their term was a more accurate description. Those for "leadership" pointed to WP:COMMONNAME (and no-one offered an alternate WP:COMMONNAME). Those for "government" pointed to a number of similarly named articles.
I think that's sufficient weight to make a change. If anyone wants to make the change, fine with me. As proposer, I'll leave a bit of time for further comment before doing anything. Bondegezou (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for summarising @Bondegezou, I've moved the article. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 15:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
Issue with the article name.
As focusing on precedent, we have two articles about a government led by a major party that had 2 government crises. July 2022 and October 2022 to be exact. This isn't just a party crisis, this is the entire current government and cabinet.
During those 2 eras, the Labour Party was the opposition party.
The current name "2026 Labour Party leadership crisis" makes it out that its only just a party issue. No, its a government issue.
Just because the Conservative Party becomes the opposition doesn't make every government crisis purely a labour party issue.
Change it back please. shane (talk to me if you want!) 14:02, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's a tricky one because a lot of the associated issues and people (recent local elections, Catherine West, Andy Burnham) sit outside the government, it's at the same time much wider than the government but also only ultimately an issue of internal Labour Party politics. I think the current name is fine for now per the sources presented above, but if that changes so can the name. Orange sticker (talk) 14:09, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- A lot of the members of the Labour Party are in the current government (Cabinet and Parliament) so its actually a government issue because the LP leads the government shane (talk to me if you want!) 14:12, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- if you search the phrase + Starmer in Google you'll be pushed to find many reliable sources using it,, whereas a search for "leadership crisis" + Starmer returns quite a few. I think you need to present some sources calling it a government crisis to support your argument per WP:COMMONNAME. Orange sticker (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- A lot of the members of the Labour Party are in the current government (Cabinet and Parliament) so its actually a government issue because the LP leads the government shane (talk to me if you want!) 14:12, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- "Labour" includes all of the government. "Government" does not include all of Labour. There are many aspects of this crisis that involve Labour politicians outside the government. A factor of this crisis involves the 2026 Makerfield by-election, which does not properly have to do with the government. I am unsure of whether this would also apply to the July 2022 and October 2022 Conservative crisis while in government, but it should be noted that these were much shorter in time and the impact of government resignations played a much larger role. Impru20talk 11:13, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
- Apart from Kwasi Kwarteng and Liz Truss, I don't recall any other government resignations during the October 2022 crisis. It was certainly true of the earlier one involving Boris Johnson, but the one involving Liz Truss felt more like this current crisis involving Keir Starmer, in that it was a party leadership crisis amid widespread loss of confidence. And yet, that October crisis article is explicitly called "government crisis". Also, if Andy Burnham wins that by-election and is successful in succeeding Starmer as widely debated, it will mean the crisis will result in the resignation of the incumbent prime minister and thus, a change of government under the same party (as Liz Truss did after July 2022, and Rishi Sunak after October 2022). Sunak was also out of government and was just a backbench MP at the time he became prime minister; the same will be true for Burnham. This article should be renamed "2026 United Kingdom government crisis" for the sake of consistency with the October 2022 article. --~2026-33472-97 (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- I also feel like almost the entirety of the October 2022 crisis came directly as a result of the September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget and its consequences (in fact, it was considered to start upon Kwarteng's dismissal), so that is a reason why it was more focalized on the government. Anyway, this does not change the fact that both the July and October 2022 crises were limited in time and that both of them started due to government resignations/dismissals; this one is considered to start following the 2026 United Kingdom local elections and is already over one month long. As a result, these are not directly comparable. Impru20talk 10:48, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- You are correct as it was the mini-budget that directly led to the October 2022 crisis. You are also correct to point out the differences; Wes Streeting resigned over a month ago, but Starmer is still in post (meanwhile, Kwarteng and Truss resigned within a week of each other). What this one involving Starmer does have a lot in common with is a similar leadership crisis involving Tony Blair between 2006 and 2007. Notably, that is not referred to as a crisis at all, but instead detailed in two articles, the 2007 Labour leadership election and a sub-article on its timeline. When the next Labour leadership election becomes inevitable if Burnham re-enters parliament, then it may make sense to structure this article in a similar way. --~2026-33472-97 (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- Wes Streeting resigned on 14 May, one week after this crisis was assumed to start. Conversely, the July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis started upon the resignations of Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak, whereas the October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis was assumed to start with Kwasi Kwarteng's sacking on 14 October 2022. I would feel like these are key factors why this is not considered a "government crisis" proper but a wider Labour affair. Impru20talk 11:17, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- Makes a lot of sense. It's a wider Labour affair in the same way the similar situation surrounding Blair in 2006 and 2007 was. --~2026-33472-97 (talk) 13:15, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- Wes Streeting resigned on 14 May, one week after this crisis was assumed to start. Conversely, the July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis started upon the resignations of Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak, whereas the October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis was assumed to start with Kwasi Kwarteng's sacking on 14 October 2022. I would feel like these are key factors why this is not considered a "government crisis" proper but a wider Labour affair. Impru20talk 11:17, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- You are correct as it was the mini-budget that directly led to the October 2022 crisis. You are also correct to point out the differences; Wes Streeting resigned over a month ago, but Starmer is still in post (meanwhile, Kwarteng and Truss resigned within a week of each other). What this one involving Starmer does have a lot in common with is a similar leadership crisis involving Tony Blair between 2006 and 2007. Notably, that is not referred to as a crisis at all, but instead detailed in two articles, the 2007 Labour leadership election and a sub-article on its timeline. When the next Labour leadership election becomes inevitable if Burnham re-enters parliament, then it may make sense to structure this article in a similar way. --~2026-33472-97 (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- I also feel like almost the entirety of the October 2022 crisis came directly as a result of the September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget and its consequences (in fact, it was considered to start upon Kwarteng's dismissal), so that is a reason why it was more focalized on the government. Anyway, this does not change the fact that both the July and October 2022 crises were limited in time and that both of them started due to government resignations/dismissals; this one is considered to start following the 2026 United Kingdom local elections and is already over one month long. As a result, these are not directly comparable. Impru20talk 10:48, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- Apart from Kwasi Kwarteng and Liz Truss, I don't recall any other government resignations during the October 2022 crisis. It was certainly true of the earlier one involving Boris Johnson, but the one involving Liz Truss felt more like this current crisis involving Keir Starmer, in that it was a party leadership crisis amid widespread loss of confidence. And yet, that October crisis article is explicitly called "government crisis". Also, if Andy Burnham wins that by-election and is successful in succeeding Starmer as widely debated, it will mean the crisis will result in the resignation of the incumbent prime minister and thus, a change of government under the same party (as Liz Truss did after July 2022, and Rishi Sunak after October 2022). Sunak was also out of government and was just a backbench MP at the time he became prime minister; the same will be true for Burnham. This article should be renamed "2026 United Kingdom government crisis" for the sake of consistency with the October 2022 article. --~2026-33472-97 (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
Southport
Why is this commonly cited as a reason his approval ratings went down? Knife attacks have been a systemic issue as far back as Theresa May. ~2026-30725-38 (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
Poll tables
Do we really need these? They're all cited to the primary source so it feels WP:UNDUE. A brief synopsis of what independent, third party sources are reporting about polling (if at all) seems more fitting. Orange sticker (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
- This is customary:
- 2024 Conservative Party leadership election#Opinion polling
- October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election#Polling
- July–September 2022 Conservative Party leadership election#Opinion polling
- 2020 Labour Party leadership election (UK)#Opinion polls
- 2019 Conservative Party leadership election#Opinion polling
- 2016 Labour Party leadership election (UK)#Opinion polling
- 2016 Conservative Party leadership election#Opinion polling
- 2015 Labour Party leadership election (UK)#Opinion polling
- 2010 Labour Party leadership election (UK)#Opinion polling
- And they help provide information in a quick and visual way that would be too complex and long to properly explain in prose. Impru20talk 10:57, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
John Healey
he just resigned ~2026-34376-07 (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
Mandelson in lead
The news broadcast on the BBC mentioned Mandelson as the first reason as to Starmer's unpopularity. We have a large section on this, but no mention in the lead. I wonder if this is because Mandelson is so widely unpopular with the public that he doesn't fit the left-right reasons presented of why people didn't like Starmer. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Emphasis on Israel-Palestine conflict in lead disproportionate
The emphasis on the Israel-Palestine conflict in the lead is disproportionate given the very limited media and political discussion and coverage on it by leadership contenders, its relevance being chiefly limited to the May elections - but is not suitable to be listed as the first reason especially when the article is read for a reader wanting to understand why the PM is resigning. SoThisIsPeter (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Strongly agree. The lead needs serious sorting out for POV issues. In solidarity, FantasticWikiUser(Ts and Cs) 17:12, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- The entire paragraph is undersourced and violates MOS:LEAD, but that was the most egregious part of it. Morwen (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- I made the edit twice but it was reverted by someone acting disruptively if anyone wants to make it again @FantasticWikiUser @Morwen. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2026_Labour_Party_leadership_crisis&diff=prev&oldid=1360623843 SoThisIsPeter (talk) 17:21, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- The entire paragraph is undersourced and violates MOS:LEAD, but that was the most egregious part of it. Morwen (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- It should be moved/copied to the main body per MOS:LEAD. Nice4What (talk · contribs) ♥ 17:34, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Requested move 22 June 2026
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2026 Labour Party leadership crisis → 2026 United Kingdom government crisis – Clear inconsistency with equivalent articles such as July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. Party is in government, and the crisis culminated in the resignation of the incumbent Prime Minister. U-Mos (talk) 18:12, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose. This event is different to those previous ones mentioned in that ministers did not resign en masse, rather the Prime Minister's leadership was the main thing that was in doubt during this period. I agree that WP:OTHER applies here, and as the other events mentioned are not exactly the same circumstances, they should not be confused with each other. My preference is to name this article
"2026 British Labour Party leadership crisis"or "2026 Labour Party (UK) leadership crisis" to disambiguate the party name between regions like the article for the party itself. Qwerty123M (talk) 02:15, 23 June 2026 (UTC) - I agree StalinSoup99 (talk) 23:47, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
- Hi StalinSoup99,
- If you are in favour of this proposal, you should type support in bold like I have done because that is how most people register their opinion on Wikipedia, we also don't want people when voicing their opinion on matters to gauge consensus like this to only say they support or oppose a proposal, we need to know the reasons for thinking the way you do, ideally citing guidelines, policies or essays. WP:RMCOMMENT contains most of the advice you would ever need.
- Thanks for your understanding. Qwerty123M (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose per nom and others. Hotrodguy84 (talk) 01:44, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
NB page was moved from the proposed title on 20 May after an informal discussion above. I disagree with the assertion of a consensus for the current title from that discussion, and events have developed to increase impact on the government since then. U-Mos (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Speedy close and oppose: We do not need to rename a page because of another page's styling, that's just WP:OTHER. The logic then were more news sources were more commonly calling it a leadership crisis. From a quick glance online, this still appears to be the case. India Today, Sky News, Politico, have all called it a leadership crisis in the last few days. The main source opposite that I could find for was the BBC mentioned Germany's biggest newspaper, Bild, called it a government crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if this changes over the next few weeks, but for now I don't believe there's been enough movement for another change yet. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Consistency is a core naming WP:CRITERIA, so it is very much more than an OTHER argument. U-Mos (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Neutral. Here's a table displaying which criteria (and COMMONNAME) are met and which aren't on both titles.
| Titles | Recognisability | Naturalness | Precision | Consision | Consistency | Common |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Current | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes |
| New | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No |
I'd support some sort of compromise such as 2026 United Kingdom leadership crisis to get closer to COMMONNAME but keep consistency the same. In solidarity, FantasticWikiUser(Ts and Cs) 20:07, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Support 2026 United Kingdom leadership crisis as it’s consistent with previous articles. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:28, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Neutral/lean oppose – not necessarily familiar enough with the topic to give a firm opinion. But unofficially I’m leaning towards oppose because “leadership crisis” sounds more encyclopedic than “government crisis”. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 22:07, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose People vaguely know how the Wesminster system works, hence the common usage. kencf0618 (talk) 01:24, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Politics, WikiProject United Kingdom, and WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom have been notified of this discussion. Qwerty123M (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- Why not merge it with 2026 Labour Party leadership election (UK)? The crisis is just the background to the election. Keriluamox (talk) 05:25, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- I fear that would make the article too unwieldy. Qwerty123M (talk) 05:28, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- The election was triggered by the crisis, so they're more or less separate, and agree with above.
- Oppose RM for COMMONNAME and the fact that article deals mostly with Starmer anyways. Pksois23 (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose This is clearly a leadership crisis within Labour, which has largely been commented on both prior to and during Starmer's resignation by members of the party. PickleG13 (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose This crisis is due to the Labour Party's underperformance in the May local elections, so the title of the article should reflect that since the crisis is about the Labour Party as a whole, not just the government. The Labour local councillors who lost their seats and Labour MPs are not the "government" but play an instrumental role in the crisis. MPs are the legislature, not the government. So retitling it to "government" would be, in my view, reductive of the scale and scope of what has transpired over the past couple of months. Kala7992 (talk) 02:42, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose. The party may be in government, but the British government itself isn't in crisis, only the party. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:24, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose. Ihis isn't a government issue; Starmer is still Prime Minister until he leaves, and there's no prospect of the government falling as a result of this. This is a Labour Party internal fight, not a constitutional crisis. — The Anome (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose per others and per arguments already explained at Talk:2026 Labour Party leadership crisis#Issue with the article_name. First key difference between this event and others such as July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis and October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis: this did not start as a result of a government action or the resignaton of government ministers, but because of the party's results in the 2026 United Kingdom local elections. Second key difference: duration; the two mentioned governmented crises lasted for only a few days, this one has lasted for over one month. Third key difference: the Labour government itself was mostly unaffected, even if it saw some (unconsequential) resignations and the announced end of Starmer's premiership, with party factors playing a much more instrumental role in the crisis. Fourth key difference: one of the major actors in the crisis (Burnham) had nothing to do with the government. Impru20talk 13:00, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose, whilst consistent with the previous two crises that forced a PM's resignation, this event cannot really be termed a governmental crisis. Johnson's crisis was governmental because it involved mass resignations and reshuffles (not applicable here), and Truss' crisis stemmed from her actions with the government's budget (also not applicable here). The crisis is predominantly around his poor performance as PM and Labour Party leader, so I think the title should be Labour Party, and not government. DimensionalFusion (talk) 10:11, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the Reactions is only from Labour and Conservatives? I'm going to add Greens
Please let me know here if there are any concerns about this. JasonMacker (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- I have no objections here, go ahead. Someone else may revert it thinking of POV issues, but then we can just discuss. In solidarity, FantasticWikiUser(Ts and Cs) 20:10, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Causes
International reactions
International reactions from leaders should be added to the Reactions section. SoThisIsPeter (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Infobox image
@Qwerty123M: Happy to discuss of course, though I am unsure of your rationale for reverting the infobox image as you did not provide any in your edit summary. As I stated upon making the change, Burnham is less material to this article than the one on the ongoing leadership contest, so I don't think it's appropriate to have him in an infobox image here - the image of Starmer alone from early May is more reflective of the entire topic of this article (and, in fact, I later noted was selected for the main page of Wikipedia independent of my own choice). I imagine that in fullness of time an image of Starmer announcing his resignation will be available via Commons, and will be most appropriate. U-Mos (talk) 09:59, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- Burnham seems equally as important as Starmer in this event because he has played a leading role in Labour leadership speculation. I believe this image has greater relevance per MOS:IMAGEREL. Qwerty123M (talk) 10:30, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- I prefer the Starmer/Burnham image for this same reason; Burnham is a key part of the crisis, so highlighting him isn't undue. Plus if nothing else, it's different to having yet another close headshot pic which this page already has plenty of. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 15:20, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
Isn't this title a bit much?????
"Crisis" ??? What makes it a "crisis"? That's a bit overdoing it... This should probably be called a "leadership contest" at best. Look at the length of 'reign' of Prime Ministers in the UK just before- and since Brexit...
"BrExit" referendum was June, 2016.
From 2007:
- Gordon Brown lasts 2 years.
- David Cameron lasts 6 years.
- Theresa May lasts 3 years.
- Boris Johnson lasts 3 years.
- Liz Truss lasts 50 days.
- Rishi Sunak lasts 1 years.
- Keir Starmer is just shy of 2 years.,
That's 7 prime ministers in 20 years when Prime Ministers can last upto a 5-year term of office before having to return to election. The UK is a S-T-R-O-N-G democracy in that you cannot just get in and govern -any-how you want because you can be replaced at a moment's notice when you lose the confidence of the majority. That's not a 'crisis' that's a 'check' on dictatorship governance. Just as soon as the ruling party leader, or opposition party leader loses sight of what it means to be a true representative they are replaced. CaribDigita (talk) 23:35, 23 June 2026 (UTC).
Infobox inclusion
I don't have strong opinions over the inclusion of the infobox one way or the other, but I noticed it keeps getting edited out and back in. Perhaps it's best to discuss here before any edits over it? Courtesy ping to @Hippo43:, @Cockfightermaster1969:, @Qwerty123M:, @Theimmortalgodemperor: RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 18:29, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- Almost all of it is original research, and it reduces a fairly complex situation to a simple misleading narrative.
- Specifically, start and end dates are unsourced, and obvious nonsense. Motives (whose motives?) are unsourced. Outcome is obviously premature and unsourced as the outcome. Participants is unsourced - what have the trade unions and party members had to do with it? They don't appear in the article.
- To summarise, it's bullshit. // Hippo43 (talk) 18:39, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- If they're all unsourced or original research, please source them! It is just harmful to delete an element of the article that not many people have a problem with. Qwerty123M (talk) 22:27, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- I maybe wasn't clear above. No, I won't look for sources for material which is wrong and which I don't think should be in the article. The article is improved, not harmed, by removing bullshit. If you want to include something the onus is on you to find good sources for it.
- Again, none of it is correct, or properly sourced:
- The start date listed is wrong, and unsourced.
- The end date is wrong, and unsourced.
- The motives are wrong, or unknowable, and unsourced.
- The participants are wrong, and unsourced.
- The outcomes are wrong, and unsourced.
- The fundamental problem is that it's not really an event, and reliable sources do not treat the "Labour party leadership crisis" as a specific topic. Most of the content in the article comes from sources which are general news and politics sources, covering overlapping stories besides this crisis. It's not like there was a specific date when it all officially started. Creating a simplistic box of made up "facts" is not helpful.
- If I'm wrong, and there are good sources for these things, please let me know. // Hippo43 (talk) 23:10, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- I actually think original research is quite common on infoboxes on other articles, so you have a much larger job if you want to go after this whole problem. The article July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis has an infobox so obviously one is useful here too, if there is something out of place you should just replace it or stop complaining, infoboxes are helpful and make an article look like it should. Qwerty123M (talk) 23:18, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- this is a classic WP:OTHERSTUFFGENERAL argument. you are probably right that loads of other articles have OR info boxes. if it is to be removed one must start somewhere. Morwen (talk) 02:47, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Morwen is of course right. Qwerty123M, that is a truly terrible argument. I would love all of the original research to go away, but can't fix all of wikipedia by myself. // Hippo43 (talk) 07:14, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Having the infobox is also great because we get another place to display a good quality image of the main figures in this event. I have restored the infobox after it was deleted a short while ago by @Hippo43 because there is a large amount of boring text without it, please fix it or leave it be, don't delete it without the discussion not having been closed yet, the infobox summarises the main events that played out well. Qwerty123M (talk) 06:39, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Stop adding unsourced stuff to the article. // Hippo43 (talk) 07:16, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Is there a reason it can't be fixed? Qwerty123M (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- What do you mean by fixed? Can you address my objections above? // Hippo43 (talk) 07:32, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Original research can be removed but I don't know how it should be done, that is why I am leaving that task to someone else. Qwerty123M (talk) 07:34, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- What do you mean by fixed? Can you address my objections above? // Hippo43 (talk) 07:32, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Is there a reason it can't be fixed? Qwerty123M (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Stop adding unsourced stuff to the article. // Hippo43 (talk) 07:16, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- this is a classic WP:OTHERSTUFFGENERAL argument. you are probably right that loads of other articles have OR info boxes. if it is to be removed one must start somewhere. Morwen (talk) 02:47, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- I actually think original research is quite common on infoboxes on other articles, so you have a much larger job if you want to go after this whole problem. The article July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis has an infobox so obviously one is useful here too, if there is something out of place you should just replace it or stop complaining, infoboxes are helpful and make an article look like it should. Qwerty123M (talk) 23:18, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- If they're all unsourced or original research, please source them! It is just harmful to delete an element of the article that not many people have a problem with. Qwerty123M (talk) 22:27, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- I would strongly like it to be included. It provides valuable information but it should definitely reflect what the sources say, I think currently it provides the overarching themes that contributed to this event. Qwerty123M (talk) 22:30, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'm generally pro-infobox and think this article would benefit from one but the information added here is all WP:OR, unverified or fails WP:NPOV, for instance, who decided the start and end dates? Who decided it ended when Starmer announced his resignation? It's news to me that this is all over when the Labour Party still haven't even declared who will be running for leader, if any one. Orange sticker (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- I've removed the WP:OR fields and added part of: Premiership of Keir Starmer. Orange sticker (talk) 07:36, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that! If more information could be fully sourced that would be great to fill all the parameters and include more details but for now that infobox will suffice. I am glad that we have been able to come to a compromise to stop the WP:EDITWAR. Qwerty123M (talk) 07:38, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- I've removed the WP:OR fields and added part of: Premiership of Keir Starmer. Orange sticker (talk) 07:36, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
Orange Sticker, thanks for that. But I wonder what's the point of an infobox without any info? It's just a box now. // Hippo43 (talk) 08:07, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- It currently uses Template:Infobox_event and I couldn't find any other relevant fields, I looked but couldn't find a more appropriate template. Orange sticker (talk) 08:13, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- I will stop pushing for the inclusion of an infobox and withdraw from this discussion, I simply thought that including an infobox was the standard for most articles. If you can't add anything to the infobox, I understand that it is not important so I will not make further reversions. It's clear that opposition to my insistence on keeping the infobox is too strong and it is only harmful if I try to argue against that. I know that articles like July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis have an infobox but these are not the same circumstances so I now understand that sourcing will not allow for all details to be included in a summary.
- Sorry for causing such a mess. Qwerty123M (talk) 12:36, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
I've taken the empty event infobox out again and moved the Keir Starmer one up to the top. It seems more useful than an infobox without any info. If anyone can accurately source info for an event box (although I'm still not sure an event really fits this article) then it could go back in. // Hippo43 (talk) 12:16, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- Please keep the stability through the compromise implemented by @Orange sticker, I don't want to go back to the edit war we had previously. The infobox does contain some quality information such as links which of course is better than nothing, but if you can add more I would greatly appreciate that. Qwerty123M (talk) 12:19, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest, I appreciate I've not been involved in the above conversation but I do question what use the infobox has now over just having the image of Andy/Starmer on its own. The main 'info' in is a picture and a few wikilinks (which are all in the lede); the date also feels unnecessary because the article title already has 2026 in it.
- Right now, it feels like a thicker frame for the image. Perhaps this is one to revisit when the dust settles on the crisis but for now I don't think its adding anything. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 12:26, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
Hatnote on "Opposition to government policies" section
There's currently a hatnote on this that reads "This section is missing information about left-wing opposition to support for Israel. Please expand the section to include this information. Further details may exist on the talk page. (June 2026)". There's nothing on here about it and I'm dubious of the value of editing the article to include this - while Starmer's stances on the Israel/Palestine conflict have been controversial and part of the reason for part of his unpopularity, it's a stretch to say that it's even close to the main reason that he's unpopular, and doesn't really have anything to do with why he resigned. Any information about that should realistically be on the page about him, not here. Additionally, polling evidence is equivocal on how Britons feel about the conflict (unlike e.g. cost of living and the NHS where it is very clearly slanted against Starmer's government.)
If nobody has any issues over the next couple of days, I'll remove this - I don't think there's anything anyone can meaningfully add. BloodNinjasPinwheel (talk) 06:06, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
sourcing of new infobox
Despite the edit comment this is not properly sourced. For example, the first link I checked was the source for the supposed start date - it is an article about Reform and the Green Party's electoral performance that doesn't mention Keir Starmer at all and only mentions the Labour party in passing. Morwen (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- Additionally, how is this story, from March 2026, that also doesn't mention Starmer, a source for information about crisis that supposedly began in May? The challenge here isn't "find some primary sources or do some WP:OR to date this crisis", it's finding a secondary source talking about it as an entire process. It may be that is not available at the moment and we will have to wait, and that's OK Morwen (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- Agree 100%. The sources added today were terrible, didn't support the details at all. // Hippo43 (talk) 16:22, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
