Talk:Ali Khamenei

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Why does the lead not summarize the number of Iranians killed by this regime?

Seems to me that per our guidelines of WP:NPOV and WP:MOSLEAD, that the lead ought to include a summary of the number of Iranians killed by the Iranian regime during the years he was "supreme leader." If we don't have exact numbers, Wikipedia norms would ordinarily simply show the well-sourced range. But it seems not-neutral to fail to mention these regime killings at all during his long rein in the top spot. N2e (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

I suspect its probably because of article WP:FOCUS; the human rights abuses of the regime should be mentioned but the exact number during the regime in the lead doesn't seem WP:DUE. Khamenei's critics viewed him as a repressive despot responsible for repression, mass murders and other acts of injustice is probably enough for the lead. Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 00:43, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Infobox image change?

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Consensus has been, for several years now, to replace images of world leaders/notable people with older images of them to better represent them after they have died. Perhaps Khamenei's article should follow in this path? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:06, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't think it's older images per se, so much so as official images of their reigns or times in office or whatever it is that might best represent them in the public consciousness. But, uh, yeah, we should get an official image like the one we have for his predecessor. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 02:11, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Very fair point. It just so happens to be that, in cases such as Khamenei where the reign lasts multiple generations, the (subjectively) more official portraits tend to be older. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
What do we think of this one? Semi-official, at least, from 2017. Large enough and high-quality photo. Going to need consensus to make changes, and I'll happily opt for an official portrait, if there is one. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 02:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I would agree. It's similar to that of US Supreme Court Justices, most of their images are official ones from over a decade ago. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 02:22, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Acceptable image, we can use it. ―Howard🌽33 02:23, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support. High-quality, semi-official. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 02:28, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support. I’m following WP:GOTFRYD now, he was ahead of state and the photo should be changed as it was for Elizabeth II and others.
Thank you— wikipediahistorian3516 (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support JimboGimmeJoe (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support – always looks better to use a recognizable official portrait for deceased individuals. estar8806 (talk) 02:46, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support, definitely better than the current image. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 03:08, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support. High-quality and possibly the best official-like image for infobox.  PLATEL  (talk) 08:14, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support, basically the same appearance as present Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 15:10, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Support, and gonna be bold here Yacàwotçã (talk) 07:31, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
I think the cropped version of that photograph would look better in the infobox Robertus Pius (TalkContribs) 10:50, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
I did personally favor this one right above the message, but the one proposed by Javert2113 is also great and works well. Stephen Sarsalari (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
I suppose now we have to invoke WP:GOTFRYD, my new name for this phenomenon. ―Howard🌽33 02:22, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
@Howardcorn33: Agreed. Would love for my terrible explanation to be added to the essay, wink, wink. But, yeah, I'll wait a bit longer for consensus (it's only been a few minutes, anyway). Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 02:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
The essay is somewhat incomplete, I'll add a few details now. ―Howard🌽33 02:38, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
if anything, I think it should be the picture the most people would recognize as that individual. In the given example of Elizabeth, except for people born before the Korean War era, most of us have known her as an "old lady" pretty much all our lives. If the picture of young her was shown to most people around the world with zero context or familiarity with the clothes, they'd have no clue who she was. Slowpoke1 (talk) 03:09, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Luckily, once the beard turned grey, he didn't change that much. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 03:12, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
The essay specifies a younger age than from their age at death, not a young age. ―Howard🌽33 03:17, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Joy, there is a essay for this... (Still annoyed we switched the Elizabeth picture from a recognizable one to an unrecognizable one.) --Super Goku V (talk) 04:08, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I am still trawling through our images on Commons for better photos of Khamenei in his prime. More than happy to offer a few choices in an RfC later. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 02:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Try this one:
This is portrait of him in 1985 when he was president. AbbaszaGoat (talk) 12:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Did some digging on Commons for some decent porraits of him from his time as Supreme Leader (so nothing pre-1989) for consideration:

Most of the photos on Commons of his early tenure as Supreme Leader until the early 2000s or so aren't that good until they actually become more portrait quality

Iostn (talk) 22:59, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

This photo (File:Ali Khamenei 2026.02.12 (cropped).jpg) was taken in 2026 just weeks before his death. I think it should be considered as the photo to be used.
CNC33 (. . .talk) 18:08, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
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"Official portrait"

That's not an "official portrait", but rather a "Nowruz message official portrait", just check the filename. The caption is misleading. ~2026-13700-52 (talk) 01:47, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree, and as the person who suggested it, per above, it's really, at best, a semi-official portrait. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 02:12, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Succeeded by his son Mojtaba Khamenei

according to Iran international IRGC has force the Assembly of Experts to appoint Mojtaba Khamenei as the next supreme leader

Kane 1371 (talk) 21:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I think this is a wait situation, because I'm seeing the reports coming in that he's probably going to succeed his dad, but we have to wait a bit until it's official official. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 03:36, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Lead wording and characterization

@Zaathras, I don’t agree with the description of the new section as "near-fetishizing hagiography." Its ludicrous to think that it is. The wording in question is well-sourced and basically characterize Khamenei’s ideological posture. Describing him as regarded as an anti-imperialist leader who challenged Western hegemony is not praise in itself rather just a observation of his policies and statements, in the same sentence by noting that others describe him as a pragmatic hardliner.

I'm going to restore the long-standing lead's info. As for my recent expansion, if specific wording is the issue, I’m open to working on it. But outright removal of sourced and attributed characterization and labeling it "hagiography" is overstepping WP:AGF and WP:DUE StarkReport (talk) 03:47, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Speaking of a video where Wikipedia is a subject of

What's the proper respond to this Instagram reel? It accuses the Iranian Ayatollah regime of editing this, and many other articles related to the regime or Iran itself. What should be done? Candidyeoman55 (talk) 16:06, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Who's the reel by? If it's credible than something. If it's non credible, ignore it. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 16:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
Have you seen the link? It's by a media company called "The Free Press". Candidyeoman55 (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
Oh, them. I doubt it's anything. Just a self-published source with some biased reporting. Whatever gets the most clicks. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 19:06, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
@Candidyeoman55 Could you edit the title of this topic? It would be better if it was more descriptive and more grammatical.
How about: "Accusation that this article is sanitzed. Action needed?" Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 10:51, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Assasination

Put cause of death as "Assasination by airstrike" in the infobox Yessyesss (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Let's keep the cause blank for now until we know more details - non-zero chance of suicide. Rooves 13 (talk) 01:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Well someone's gone and added it in anyways. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 02:11, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Given WP:ASSASSINATION, and the current crop of articles simply referring to his death or killing, I'm not convinced that the COMMONNAME criteria is met. Denotatively, this is an assassination, but the guidance for the use of the term in this case has not been satisfied.
I'd move for "Killing of".
GlitchyRijndael (talk) 15:30, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
First, WP:assassination is only about what we name articles, not about whether we refer to something as an assassination in the body of the article. Second, it is part of WP:Murder of and is about when we shouldn't call a murder a murder, but rather an assassination (you are welcome to replace 'assassination' with 'murder', but I somehow suspect you wouldn't like that option).--Anonymous44 (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
  • The term "assassination" carries significant negative imputation and should be avoided unless it is being widely used in reliable sources. This is well established over numerous discussions including the various debates over whether or not to refer to the multiple attempts on the life of Donald Trump as assassination attempts. Consensus has consistently come down against the use of the term in wiki-voice absent its widespread use by reliable independent sources. The subsection should be renamed using the neutral term "death." As of this comment I'm only seeing a handful of RS sources using that term. Most are referring to his death. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:14, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
First, assassination is not necessarily always a negative thing; second, many things carry negative imputation because of their very nature, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't call them what they obviously are. It is obvious that the event is an assassination by the standard definition. As far as I can tell, there is no controversy whether this is technically an assassination; inasmuch as some RS may choose not to use a word, it is because they are trying to avoid expressing a negative evaluation in spite of its being technically accurate; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is supposed to maintain an objective tone, which is far from true in every source considered reliable. Wikipedia is supposed to reflect the statements of RS on the facts, not their style or expressions of subjective attitudes.--Anonymous44 (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
'As per the present state of that discussion' - huh? The present state of that discussion is in favour of keeping the term 'assassination'.--Anonymous44 (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
  • I have edited again to insert 'by US and Israeli forces'. That is stronger than 'death' or 'killing by itself but assassination not yet justifiable as per reliable reportage. Emmentalist (talk) 06:51, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
    "This is well established over numerous discussions including the various debates over whether or not to refer to the multiple attempts on the life of Donald Trump as assassination attempts."
    There weren't any debates, stop purposefully making things complicated for your own political ideology, it's selfish and embarrassing especially in a crowdfunded environment, you can do better.
    There weren't any 'debates', it was pretty widely agree'd upon. The only people saying otherwise were those that were trying to mock or downplay the attempts.
    Khamenei is dead and even got the confirmation from the president himself, this isn't even a discussion. T.E. Haverford (talk) 20:38, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
    It's important that we imply any action taken under the current executive administration is negative in both motivation and impact. C'mon now, this is Wikipedia. Respect our leftism. ~2026-14361-41 (talk) 00:05, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
    What are you talking about? We do not imply anything. We simply report what reliable sources say. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 00:06, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
  • I think the constant re-edits to reinsert "assassinated" without discussion (there is extensive discussion here and an associated article) amounts to edit-warring. I tried to insert a warning here but succeeded only in warning myself (!) - I've deleted that as it was clearly not my purpose. I'd appreciate it if more experienced editors took a view. Emmentalist (talk) 08:05, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Note I have opened a move discussion at Talk:Assassination of Ali Khamenei. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Leader

When will his son be writen down as the new leader, since there is some news he has been chosen JZDOGGYBOY (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

JZDOGGYBOY When enough WP:reliable sources have confirmed his election, and no reliable source has denied or questioned it. Until then, we wait. There is no hurry. Lova Falk (talk) 19:25, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
Iran is delaying the official confirmation due to Trump's threats. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:25, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

Marja?

I could have sworn the last time I was on this page (2009), he was not listed as a marja. It still says he was not elected as one, but later became one with minimal detail of how that occurred. The source cited mentions his not being one, but not that he was ever elevated. I even looked at the archive version to see if it was changed. And now this section claims without a source that he was one, as does the infobox. Does anyone know this to be the case? I have never heard anything about this before the present events. Indeed, looking back to this August 2009 diff, there is a more expanded discussion of the dispute and the article doesnt title him as Grand Ayatolla or Marja. ← Metallurgist (talk) 09:35, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

RFC: redundant lead sentence

regarding: His critics characterized him as an repressive authoritarian responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices.

Per WP:BRD, we're now on the discuss stage for this lead sentence. Repressive.... responsible for repression... is extremely redundant,

Should we:
A. Remove "political oppression", as it is implied
His critics characterized him as an repressive authoritarian responsible for state-sanctioned violence and other injustices.
B. Modify: Change the adjective or adjective-noun, or remove the adjective (example, not my suggestion)
His critics characterized him as an ( [authoritarian dictator]) responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices.
C. Leave as is
D. Other (as discussed below)
DarmaniLink (talk) 04:48, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree with you about the redundancy, and I prefer option B, because I am not happy with the implied repression. (I am sometimes struggling with writing text for Wikipedia when sources imply but not state clearly - this is why I prefer stating things rather than implying them.) Lova Falk (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
I concur in that "Repressive.... responsible for repression..." is extremely redundant, and would prefer to see option B by modifying the adjective-noun into a noun such, as for example:
"His critics characterized him as an ( [authoritarian]) responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices."
or
"His critics characterized him as a ( [dictator]) responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices."
The adjective noun "Authoritarian dictator" is, outside of niche cases, a pleonasm. The noun could could link to either authoritarian or dictatorship. Vydrakk (talk) 09:59, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
At this point it would probably be best to see which source(s) this is paraphrasing, I do agree that just dictator alone works, though kinda falls flat from a stylistic standpoint.
But, fixing the redundancy takes priority. DarmaniLink (talk) 14:24, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Agreed that the wording is repetitive as it currently stands. I like the idea of modifying with a workable noun like "dictator" or "authoritarian" instead.
Side note: The "critics characterized" part is flawed because the subject was widely known as an authoritarian or dictator who routinely subjugated the Iranian people, according to all sorts of news reporting (especially women). Individuals, organizations, media outlets, etc. across the ideological spectrum have agreed on this fact. Painting the truth as a critical claim alone seems too soft tonally. Doctorstrange617 (talk) 15:00, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
My preferance is towards modification as well, and that was my original edit that got reverted. A subsequent edit also changed it to characterized, which i agree, doesn't fit.. DarmaniLink (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Cool. We're in agreement then. Doctorstrange617 (talk) 00:11, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
B - I do like the given example "His critics characterized him as an ( [authoritarian dictator]) responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices. MaximusEditor (talk) 20:07, 4 March 2026 (UTC)


New sentence workshop

Seems to be a consensus for modification. Opening this section for us to move forward with discussions. DarmaniLink (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

A. Khamenei was widely considered as an authoritarian dictator responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices.
B. Khamenei was widely considered as an authoritarian responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices.
c. Khamenei was widely considered as a dictator responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices.
DarmaniLink (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
The other question, past tense or not? Since the critics still actively describe him as that, and he may still be described as that.even though he's dead, and I don't see the description becoming past tense until the critics are dead too. Maybe "He has been described by critics as..."? DarmaniLink (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Assasination of his wife

It would be good if someone adds death date in "Spouse" with the reason[Assasination] Tech wikiboy (talk) 09:58, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source stating that the wife was specifically targeted, and that this was considered assassination? Zaathras (talk) 13:31, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/who-was-mansoureh-khojasteh-bagherzadeh-khameneis-wife-who-has-died-13985593.html
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2026/03/02/wife-of-iran-s-khamenei-dies-after-being-wounded-in-strikes
Also wiki page of his Wife confirms it Tech wikiboy (talk) 03:00, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
I mean to show that she died alongside her husband in the Assissnation Tech wikiboy (talk) 03:04, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
Neither source states the wife was the target of assassination. Did you not understand the question? Zaathras (talk) 03:18, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

"issuing a fatwa claiming to forbid the production of weapons of mass destruction"

Hi, about the above sentence in the lead section. Regardless of whether Iran attempted to make a bomb (which it did), the fatwa forbids the production of WMDs in its text. Whether the fatwa was observed is another issue entirely. If it is mentioned in the same breath, I think it probably should look more like " issuing a fatwa forbidding the production of weapons of mass destruction (while its observance was contested)". I'm going to change it for now, sans my suggested addition, and would totally understand if it's reverted. But I would like to talk about it here if possible regardless! Theodore Christopher (talk) 21:35, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

Add the part of his full name "Sayyid"

Add the part of his full name "Sayyid". ~2026-93966-6 (talk) 10:42, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Request for Comment: New Infobox Portrait

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What photograph should we use for the subject? Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 04:47, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Option A per nom. KreamoNoBrainos/Kreamy/Fat Man (talk) 14:45, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
I think that you should use the first one it is currant 2026. ~2026-13845-54 (talk) 23:21, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

After trawling through several hours' worth of photographs of the man, I've realized that basically all of the images on his website were uploaded onto Commons, and that he really liked blue and green as backgrounds. Huh. Anyway, feel free to choose. And thank you for your attention!

Pings for the following editors from above: (Memer15151Howardcorn33ThatTrainGuy1945Noah3500JimboGimmeJoeestar8806ChessratSlowpoke1) Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 04:29, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't think we need to debate on this, the images are barely different and the initial image proposed above already received much support. ―Howard🌽33 04:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
  • G; or, failing that, C, then H: if I can open the voting with my own vote. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 04:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I honestly always meant that one to be a stopgap, Howard, pending a further RfC. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 04:33, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Option A. The subject is centered with the flag of Iran in the background, and there are no distractions in the background area. The timing of the photograph is not a big concern since all of the proposals are within around a decade of each other and his look didn't change much then. Option A is the only option that does not have any distracting elements, has an official feel to it, has lighting that would work well for a portrait, has the subject looking near the camera, and the overall composition fits for its purpose. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 04:36, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
My secondary choice would be E because it also has a semi-official look to it with the flag in the background, and the lighting/positioning works well. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 04:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Comment - My views have not changed from above, and H seems to be slightly off center, with him not looking at the camera. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 04:46, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I would not support that one. 🚂ThatTrainGuy1945 Peep peep! 04:46, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I agree, and the proximity of Khamenei to the camera in that photo makes it look really small. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Personally my pick's between option a or option e as they arent distracting from the main focus of the portrait, and they both have the Iran flag clearly visible. if that doesnt work then my third option would be f. JimboGimmeJoe (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
A younger one of him in the 80s or 90s would be ideal but Option A is good. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
The facial expression on Option A looks honestly silly.. I'd say F and B are really good. Maybe an older pic? I just wish we got something like all this but from the 1980s or 1990s. Nurken (talk) 05:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
So, about that (TDKR Chicago 101Nurken) This photo exists, as does this one. Not sure if either would work, necessarily, given the lower quality. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 05:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I'm aware of the first one (I've used it on a Kazakh Wikipedia article back one day). I like the second one. I was thinking about something like this.
Nurken (talk) 05:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
A bit small, but I like it! I'm going to turn in, though—but I do like that one! Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 05:51, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
A or B, last resort C wikipediahistorian3516 (talk) 12:25, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
C: C is neutral. no distractions in the background. GrandDukeMarcelo (talk) 12:36, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
A then E Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 15:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
I don't think that 'I' should have been included in this discussion because Khamenei was most significant, or reached the prime of his life, after becoming leader. There is a guideline somewhere that encourages reducing options before a RFC Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 17:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
@EasternShah: I agree, and I wish to state for the record that option "I" was not one of my original choices. I tried my best to winnow the best choices of the subject during his prime, and the original eight were the best I could find. Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 17:55, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
None, retain current image An encyclopedia is neither a shrine to martyrdom nor a hagiography, we do not need to present the subject in a more flattering light just because he's dead. Osama bin Laden's current infobox has the same image as it did on 1 May 2011. Zaathras (talk) 15:25, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Right, but as is mentioned in the Gotfryd essay, some figures, even before death, do not use the newest available photographs. That's what happened with bin Laden, his photograph wasn't from a month before his death. For Khamenei, this is not the case; his photograph is one of the most recent available. We don't need to represent people after they die with the most recent image because it doesn't represent their current state anymore; instead, we should find a photograph that represents them most clearly and near the peak of their importance. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 15:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
as is mentioned in the Gotfryd essay, I don't give a rat's flaming sphincter about some random essay that you and a friend concocted less than a week ago. It has no weight or bearing on how we edit biographies of the recently deceased. It's just an opinion, don't try to pass it off as something it ain't. Death should not alter the choosing of an infobox image. Zaathras (talk) 01:15, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
After one's life is over, one can not become significant for any additional things (in most cases). Thus, it makes sense to think about when the subject (of the biography) in question was most significant, and to propose images that reflect that. Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 01:23, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
People should be cautious when trying to find the "most significant" portion of a person's life as it could lead to using an image of the person that is not recognizable to readers. --Super Goku V (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Sure, but that's an abstraction; he does not look unrecognizable in any of these, except I. Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 22:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Interesting point. I wonder if we do apply that kind of framework, how do we tell when an image can be recognizable? Are we going to guess based off of estimations of readers' ages? Also, what happens after, inevitably, everybody whose lifetimes intersected with that of Khamenei eventually dies? For example, most of the people who could have seen Nikola Tesla personally are dead, and his image is from over 4 decades before his death. Anyways, I do agree that the images that are proposed do not look unrecognizable to a modern audience, regarding the recent news of his death that probably puts an image of an older Khamenei in people's heads. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 23:11, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
I cited the essay in the first because it was of legitimate relevance here in a logical manner. I was talking about how you mentioned "Osama bin Laden's current infobox has the same image as it did on 1 May 2011" as if it was a counterexample, but the essay itself already says it's not a strict rule, which is why we are trying to gain a consensus here. I wasn't citing the essay as an opinion, but rather to bring up a point about how some people's image don't change because the article therefor never fell accustomed to changing the lead image to the most recent, such as bin Laden's entry. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 01:42, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
Additonally, we do see this happen in similar figures. Take Muamar Gaddafi, for example. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 16:22, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
A is the best in my opinion, he's centered and it doesn't look staged like E. Theodore Christopher (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Either A or I fit into Khameini's infobox very well. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:33, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Option A. High-quality, includes flag, centered, no background distractions.  PLATEL  (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Option A, as the facial expression is neutral and the presence of the flag is fitting. Although D would be fine, too. I is the only one that definitely isn't suitable, since the image should be from the time when he was a head of state. It definitely should not be the current one (as of here) or the one before it (as of here), both of which seem to have captured him at moments when he was frowning or perhaps looking disgusted. This sort of thing clearly has a non-neutral effect, making the subject of the photo look 'villainous'. The last more or less neutral-looking one was the one here.--Anonymous44 (talk) 18:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Option A per Memer15151 (talk · contribs). Sophocrat (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
A - I think it serves the purpose of infobox image the best. It has an official portrait look, it also is recent enough for readers to understand what he looked like recently. I know that recent reflection of a persons infobox image isn't the deciding factor but I like to give it a little bit of emphasis with infobox images. MaximusEditor (talk) 19:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
Option A: As per others above. StarkReport (talk) 21:53, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
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Infobox image

Could this image be used instead of the current one, because it has a better crop? NeoSyria\Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 10:39, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

NeoSyria\Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 10:39, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

An RFC was just held about this question. Just let it be for now. Nemov (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

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Succession

Can somebody add that he is succeeded by Mojtaba? I expected Wikipedia nerds to be quicker at this. Maybe there is a reason why it is still like this, but please fix this as I cannot edit the page. thx WorldPeaceIsNotFarAway (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

A wikipedia nerd has changed it and added a helpful note Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:13, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
Appreciate it WorldPeaceIsNotFarAway (talk) 22:24, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

"Khamenei" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Khamenei has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 March 10 § Khamenei until a consensus is reached. ―Howard🌽33 23:40, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

Possible violations of WP:NPOV

I think there are possible WP:NPOV violations in this article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 05:38, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Elaborate please. Keivan.fTalk 05:42, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
@Pachu Kannan: Unless you can prove that this article is laced with POV points, I'll remove the tag for now. Feel free to reinstate once you reply with a valid answer. NeoSyria\Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 05:58, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
After this edit , I think many pov pushing have been added in this article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 06:33, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
It is WP:COMMONSENSE, not WP:NPOV violations. By this logic, the Kim family is not a dynastic dictatorship. NeoSyria\Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 06:34, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
I am not saying that edit is a violation of WP:NPOV. I think pov pushing happened in the edits after this edit. Pachu Kannan (talk) 06:38, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
I think pov pushing happened in the edits after this edit Mind linking the revisions that you think had POV-pushing? NeoSyria\Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 06:39, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
This older revision says that "As supreme leader, Khamenei supported Iran's nuclear program for civilian use while issuing a fatwa forbidding the production of weapons of mass destruction and promoted scientific and technological development despite international sanctions" was changed to "As supreme leader, Khamenei claimed to support Iran's nuclear program for civilian use while issuing a fatwa forbidding the production of weapons of mass destruction and promoted scientific and technological development despite international sanctions." Second one is "His foreign policy centered on Shia Islamism and exporting the Islamic Revolution" was to "His foreign policy centered on Shia Islamism and exporting the Islamic Revolution, as well as countering the United States and Israel through supporting terrorism and indirect conflict". Third one is "A staunch critic of Israel and of Zionism, Khamenei supported the Palestinians in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict; his rhetoric included calls for Israel's destruction and antisemitic tropes" was changed to "A staunch opponent of Israel and of Zionism, Khamenei supported Hamas in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict; his rhetoric included calls for Israel's destruction and antisemitic tropes". Fourth one is "Regarded as a resolute anti-imperialist leader who challenged Western hegemony in the region and as an embodiment of Iran’s Islamic identity by his supporters and as a pragmatic hardliner by others, Khamenei sidelined leftist factions, moderate clerics, and political dissidents, while occasionally easing restrictions when the regime's stability or legitimacy had been threatened. His leadership was closely associated with the expansion of state militarization and the consolidation of power within the office of the Supreme Leader," this was changed to "He cracked down on political opponents, including liberals, monarchists, leftist factions, moderate clerics, and other political dissidents, while occasionally easing restrictions when the regime's stability or legitimacy had been threatened". Fifth one is "His critics characterized him as an repressive authoritarian responsible for political repression, state-sanctioned violence and other injustices" was changed to "Khamenei was widely considered as an authoritarian responsible for political repression and state-sanctioned violence and other human-rights abuses." Six one is "He faced many protests, including in 1999, 2009, 2017–2018, 2018–2019, 2022–2023, and 2025–26" was changed to There were many protests during his rule, including in 1999, 2009, 2017–2018, 2018–2019, 2022–2023, and 2025–26, with the final protests against his rule leading to the 2026 Iran massacres under his direct authorization. (His direct authorization was only reported by Iran International, which is opposed to current Iranian regime). I think these are possible WP:NPOV violations in the lead of the article and body of the article may have similar violations. Pachu Kannan (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
"His foreign policy centered on Shia Islamism and exporting the Islamic Revolution, as well as countering the United States and Israel through supporting terrorism and indirect conflict".
A few of your examples seem far fetched but this particular line is potentially arbcom worthy. We don't write policy from his perspective but from an encyclopedic/observer's standpoint. DarmaniLink (talk) 07:39, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
"We don't write policy from his perspective but from an encyclopedic/observer's standpoint".
You are correct. We don't write perspective of an Iranian supreme leader who may had more opponents than supporters for several years due to several reasons (especially after crackdown against 2025-2026 Iranian protests), but we should write the perspective of both his supporters, his opposition and independents to ensure neutrality. Pachu Kannan (talk) 10:25, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
Some of these changes seem purely cosmetic, but in general I agree that the prior versions of these sentences made for a more balanced lead. I would support the restoration of the original wording in the lead. Monk of Monk Hall (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
Can you restore it (no other users are giving their replies in this NPOV dispute for more than 24 hours, if you think we need more consensus with other users, we can wait). Some parts of the body of the article may be also unbalanced. Pachu Kannan (talk) 18:28, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
StarkReport already implemented the consensus between two of us. Pachu Kannan (talk) 11:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Proposal - Include Direct Authorization of Massacres and Systematic Oppression Content

Per Wikipedia policies of WP:NPOV, W:V, W:NOR, and W:BLP (accurate reporting on biographies regarding confirmed contentious material), I think that additional content regarding Khamenei's involvement in systematic oppression and direct authorization should follow the reporting of accurate, credible external sources. I currently am observing editing in the article that does not seem to align with Wikipedia's policy of Wikipedia:Disruptive editing by removing reliable external sources that documents this information. This concerns me as appearing to going against Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a battleground, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not about winning, and Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point.

I am also concerned with what I see as behavior that may violate Wikipedia:There is no Divine Right of Editors.

Most importantly, I am concerned with what I observe to be a violation of Wikipedia:Criticism. The policy reads:

"All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must adhere to neutral point of view (NPOV). This means representing all significant views in reliable sources fairly, proportionately, and without editorial bias. If these include criticism of the article's subject, they should be incorporated into the article content in an appropriate and neutral way. Articles should present the prevailing viewpoints from reliable sources, whether positive or negative."


Based on reporting of credible external sources, we find the following:


"The killing was carried out on the direct order of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, with the explicit knowledge and approval of the heads of all three branches of government, and with an order for live fire issued by the Supreme National Security Council, Iran International has learned."

"At least 12,000 killed in Iran crackdown during internet blackout". Iran International.


"Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered Iran's Supreme National Security Council to suppress the protests on January 9 by using 'any means necessary,' The New York Times reported on Sunday, citing two officials familiar with the matter.

According to the officials, security forces were then deployed to the streets with "shoot to kill" orders and told to show protesters no mercy." "Khamenei issued no mercy, 'shoot to kill' orders to quell protests across Iran - NYT". Jerusalem Post.


"Iranian authorities have unleashed a deadly crackdown on protesters across the country since 28 December 2025, marked by security forces’ unlawful use of force and firearms and mass arbitrary arrests, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said today."

"Iran: Deaths and injuries rise amid authorities' renewed cycle of protest bloodshed". Amnesty International.


"Khamenei began 2026 with the most fateful move of his long life. With Iranians across the country protesting the dire living conditions and repression under his regime and the regime itself, the supreme leader’s loyal IRGC and Basij paramilitaries implemented an unprecedented internet and communications blackout. Under the cover of that blackout, Khamenei’s men massacred unarmed protesters with no apparent discrimination, using everything from heavy machine guns on crowds to machetes against individuals. More than 30,000 may have died, with more than 7,000 confirmed killings. Whatever figure, it was doubtlessly the deadliest protest massacre in modern Iranian history."

"How Years Of Regional Conflict Led To The Strike That Killed Iran's Supreme Leader". Forbes.


"Unable to govern its people, Iran’s regime has resorted to shooting them. The enforcers for the ruling mullahs have killed at least 500 protesters, and likely thousands, crossing President Trump’s red line." "Iran's Regime Massacres Its Own People". Wall Street Journal.


The European Parliament stated in a Press Release:

"In a resolution adopted on Thursday, MEPs express their outrage at the repression and mass murders being perpetrated by the Iranian regime against protesters in Iran.

Parliament unconditionally demands that the Iranian authorities, under the rule of Ali Khamenei, immediately end violence against peaceful protesters, halt all executions, and cease the murder and repression of civilians. Standing in full solidarity with the people of Iran and their brave and legitimate protest movement, it strongly condemns the widespread, intentional and disproportionate use of force by security forces.

[...]

UN-mandated fact-finding mission must be given unhindered access

Parliament highlights the Iranian regime’s decades-long pattern of systematic repression, in particular targeting women, human rights activists and political dissidents, and reiterates its call for Iran to grant immediate and unhindered access to the UN-mandated fact-finding mission to address grave crimes under international law, including murder, torture, rape, and enforced disappearances, which are being used to silence dissent.

MEPs call for intensified diplomatic engagement, including an enhanced EU presence, to provide individuals at risk with protection, humanitarian assistance and support. They firmly condemn Iran’s malign activities and interference across the region, stressing that Iran continues to constitute the largest and most substantial threat to the broader region’s security and stability and the most significant obstacle to peace.

Finally, Parliament stresses that any normalisation of relations with Iran can only follow the unconditional release of political prisoners and genuine progress toward democracy and the rule of law, whilst welcoming the decision by its President Roberta Metsola to bar representatives of the Iranian regime from European Parliament premises and urging Member States to follow suit."

"European Parliament condemns Iran's brutal repression of protesters". European Parliament.


The UN Human Rights Council passed a resolution resolution condemning Iran's violent crackdown under A/HRC/RES/S-39/1:

"1. Strongly deplores the human rights situation in the Islamic Republic of Iran, especially the violent crackdown of peaceful protests resulting in the deaths of thousands of persons, including children, and large numbers of injured individuals, as well as the arbitrary arrest and detention of thousands in connection with the nationwide protests that started on 28 December 2025;

2. Urges the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to respect, protect and fulfil its human rights obligations and to take all measures necessary to stop and prevent extrajudicial killings, other forms of arbitrary deprivation of life, enforced disappearance, sexual and gender-based violence, arbitrary arrest and detention, incommunicado detention and torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, including against peaceful protesters;

3. Calls upon the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to cease the targeted intimidation and harassment of victims, survivors and their families and to ensure their access to truth, justice and redress, including reparations, and that perpetrators are held fully accountable, in compliance with fair trial guarantees under international human rights law;"

"Resolution adopted by the Human Rights Council on 23 January 2026 S-39/1. The situation of human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran, especially in the context of the repression of nationwide protests starting on 28 December 2025". United Nations General Assembly.


In accord with the policies for responsible editing and upholding the mission and purpose of Wikipedia, I do believe this information should be included in the body. In good faith, I wish to endeavor to improve Wikipedia according to Wikipedia:Writing better articles, Wikipedia:The perfect article, and Wikipedia: Purpose.


My Proposal is This:


Resolution Proposal:

Does the community consensus wish to include this content in the article for full and accurate reporting, in accordance with the letter and spirit of Wikipedia policy?

Yes / No


Please let me know of your responses and answers to this resolution question. Perhaps we could put a disputed neutrality on the article header until this is resolved.


Thank you again for your time and your work on Wikipedia. I look forward to your discussions.

Skzt (talk) 11:21, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Archive

Somehow the archive got mucked up so it archived after 3 days on inactivity, which caused numerous discussions to be archived prematurely. If this was recent, whoever did that deserves a trouting. If this was longstanding, they also deserve a trouting. I dont think there is any logical reason to have a talk page archive in less than 7 days, really less than 30. I have restored the discussions from /Archive 5 and /Archive 6 that appeared to still be opened or relevant. The edit requests were mostly nonsense and closed. Anyone is welcome to make a new request. For all frequent editors, please review the restored discussions as your input is needed! And if I missed anything that should be restored, feel free to restore it or start a new discussion. ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:48, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

Edit request 24 March 2026

Description of suggested change: The description of an official portrait, for example in the Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden articles, is "Official portrait, [year]". This is a semi-official portrait according to the RfC, the description should also be "Semi-official portrait, [year]". Wikipedia is a reference work, readers want to know the status of the commons image, which is usually reused elsewhere.

Diff:

Khamenei in 2017
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Semi-official portrait, 2017

~2026-18262-73 (talk) 09:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. We would need a reliable source that calls it a "semi-official portrait", not just the opinion of Wikipedia editors commenting in an RfC. Day Creature (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
For what its worth, the current text makes no mention or implication of its officiality, though if you feel it does so, perhaps there is a way to improve that you can suggest? DarmaniLink (talk) 16:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2026

In the section of 'SupremSupreme Leadership (1989-2026)' and the sub-section 'Marja criteria', a informatived valid reference or citation should be added. In the 2nd para of "Marja' criteria" - that means It should be changed from "Following a constitutional referendum held on 28 July 1989 which removed the marja' requirement, Khamenei was officially elected by the Assembly of Experts as the official permanent supreme leader on 6 August.[citation needed]" to "Following a constitutional referendum held on 28 July 1989 which removed the marja' requirement, Khamenei was officially elected by the Assembly of Experts as the official permanent supreme leader on 6 August.[1]" I request you to add this citation or reference in this place. Thanks! Oindrojalik Watch (talk) 00:43, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

 Done Discourses on Livvy (talk · contribs) 05:25, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2026

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