Talk:Los Errantes

Length

At just over 8,000 words of readable prose, this article is in 99th percentile of articles by length.

This is just a suggestion, not a requirement... but I would consider trimming this a bit. No specific section stands out to me as needing to be cut, but maybe there are points of "too much" detail here and there. For example, in Los Errantes#Escape to Europe, maybe only the details about the trip itself & the fake passports may be necessary? — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 16:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Trimming down the excess will likely take a bit more of my time, so I'll have to leave this for later. I'll ping you about it once I'm done. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Grnrchst -- in retrospect, I wrote this "wasn't a requirement" to trim, but I think we could consider this part of criteria 3b (broad in coverage without going into too much detail).

To me, too much detail would be some of the conversations between Los Errantes and other anarchists. There's a bit of back-and-forth in some of those conversations that lean away from "summary style". Another opportunity to trim is the "Escape to Europe" section, as I mentioned.

This is the last remaining piece of feedback I have, by the way. It looks like you addressed everything else I mentioned in the review. So please ping me whenever you feel satisfied with the trimming. Maybe a goal could be 500 words (down to 7500)? Do you think that is reasonable? — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 07:02, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Aye I think all of this is perfectly reasonable. Definitely agree that this directly pertains to criteria 3b. I'm of the opinion that all writers should force themselves to cut down at least some of their work; I usually say 5-10%, so 500 words sounds good to me. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

@Chao Garden: Hey, I've gotten the word count down to 7,135, so just over 11% has been trimmed. Let me know if there's any places I can do more. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Grnrchst! Great job with the trimming! After rereading the article, the only part that still stands out to me is the "Escape to Europe" section. What is your opinion on trimming the section down to just brief coverage of: police were looking for them, they obtained fake passports, and they got in a ship that made its way to Europe. It could possibly be condensed down to just 2-3 sentences, and then the section itself could be combined with the subsequent section ("France"). What do you think? — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 22:03, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

@Chao Garden: I've condensed it a bit more, and split it into the Argentina and France sections. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:48, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: Thank you! I think your changes here satisfy criteria 3b. And, as all the other criteria is also passed, I'm promoting this to GA. — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 13:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Prose

Aside from some copyedits (which I'll make soon), here's some general prose questions:

• Wikilink pesetas?
• This phrasing is a little confusing to me: "Some of their members took the money to Bilbao, where they purchased rifles, while others hid out in the mountains. When their position was attacked by the Civil Guard, some managed to escape, while others were arrested or killed" I'm not sure which group was attacked versus which ones were in the mountains. I assume the group in the mountains was attacked?
• This phrase includes a wikilink to the US, but maybe more appropriate to wikilink to Machado? "At the time, the Republic of Cuba was ruled by a United States-backed government..."
• Define illegalists?

— Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 16:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Wikilinked to pesetas, clarified the group in the mountains, named Machado and trimmed description of them as "illegalists" (although illegalism is already linked earlier in the article). --Grnrchst (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Y This all looks good to me — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 13:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

MOS

Y No major Manual of Style feedback, everything looks good. Though just generally I noticed a contraction here or there like "wouldn't" (see: MOS:CONTRACTION). — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 16:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

I sorted both of the contractions that I found. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:37, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Copyvios

Y No issues detected with Copyvio tool after comparing it with the HTML version of Paz's book on the Anarchist Library site. The results were 67.9% "violation possible" similarity, but the match were all proper names, quotes, and short phrases like "branch of the Bank of Chile". — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 16:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Images

Y Images are all correctly licensed:

• File:Los_Errantes,_Mexico.png — Public domain
• File:Ascaso,_Durruti,_Jover.png — Public domain
• File:1921._Нестор_Махно_в_лагере_для_перемещенных_лиц_в_Румынии.jpg — Public domain
• File:Rudolf_Rocker.jpg — Public domain

— Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 16:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check

* I have access to a version of Paz book with pages that are clearly slightly different than your version. I've included my page numbers versus yours, plus some quotes for verification/context. I also have access to Kern's book via archive.org.

? Questions about these citations:

1. (2) I confirmed Los Solidarios set out to rob a state bank (in Paz). But can you help me verify the Bayer citation with a quote from page 67?

   "the trajectory of the Spanish anarchist gang was reconstructed: it opened with the attack on the Bank of Gijon in Spain, a raid designed to raise money to fund the struggle against the Primo de Rivera dictatorship." --Grnrchst (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

   Y — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 13:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

2. (42) found on my page 80, versus your pages 89-90 (Paz) "three individuals enter ... the Anglo, in the middle of the Palermo neighborhood... They demand the keys [to the safe]... the boss has them, and he’s already left... they take a small bag... it contains thirty-eight pesos in ten-cent coins... [there is] an automobile waiting for them. They disappear without being pursued." Can you help me with a quote from Bayer, page 60?

   "On October 18, 1925, three persons slipped “movie-style,” as La Prensa put it, into the Las Heras tram ~ depot in Anglo, smack dab in the middle of the Palermo district. One of them wore a mask. The cashiers had just finished counting the money from ticket sales. “Hands up!” the shout rang out in a strong Spanish accent before the money was demanded. The stammering employees explained that the cash was already in the safe. The key was demanded, to no avail, as the manager had left and taken it with him. The raiders conferred with one another and withdrew. As they slipped past the cash-desk, they grabbed a small bag that a guard had just set down. It held 38 pesos, in ten-centavo coins. Waiting outside, was an accomplice and, a little further off, a car was waiting. They vanished without a trace." --Grnrchst (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

   Y — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 13:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

3. (53) Can you provide a quote from Bayer to support this?

   "The Barcelona police authorities suggested likely candidates for the four who had raided the Las Heras tram depot, the Primera Junta, and the Bank of Chile. They were neither Mexicans nor Cubans, the Barcelona police recounted, but Spaniards and the four names they had given were false. Their real identities were as follows: Ramon Carcano Caballero was in fact one Buenaventura Durruti, born in the city of León on July 14, 1886, a driver by profession. Teodoro Pichardo Ramos was Francisco Ascaso, a native of Almudévar in the province of Huesca, born on April 2, 1902. Manuel Labrada Pontén was in fact Alejandro Ascaso, a native of Almudévar—like his above-named brother—born on October 17, 1889. Manuel Serrano Garcia’s real name was Gregorio Jover Cortés, and he was born in Valencia in 1892." --Grnrchst (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

   Y — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 13:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

4. (83a) "the government moved Durruti and Jover to the Conciergerie in the Palace of Justice. Ascaso continued serving his sentence in La Santé." — article says that only Ascaso served time, but technically the Conciergerie (where Durruti was) is also a prison. Durruti wrote that he was "not a French prisoner" but also said that he was finishing out his sentence (a ploy by him and his lawyer to prevent him from being extradicted). So, maybe best to rephrase the part about only Ascaso going to prison. Maybe it's more accurate to say: "Ascaso was jailed in Le Santé prison, and Durruti remained in custody in the Conciergerie" (or something like that).

   @Chao Garden: I mention the bit about them being moved to the Conciergerie later in the paragraph, see: "But by this time, the French government had already accepted the extradition demands of the Argentine government; Durruti and Jover were subsequently detained in the Palais de Justice." Is there a way I could better clarify this? --Grnrchst (talk) 17:07, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

   Oh you are right. I think this is fine actually; in retrospect, I think my feedback here is a bit of a nitpick. — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 17:10, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

5. (101b) Found on my page 102, versus your page 118: note that the name is "Victor Basch", not "Victor Bash". Other details are correct.

   Corrected typo. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

6. (112) Confirmed details found on my pages 104-105, but note: Bahía Blanca is misspelled as Bahía Baha in a couple places.

   Corrected typo. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:59, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

7. (145a) confirmed the details of their application with the Belgian police (on my page 118, versus your page 140). But can you help me with a quote to support that Marcel Dieu helped them? I'm not seeing that detail in Paz's book.

   Paz used Dieu's pen name "Hem Day", there's a bit in Dieu's article about it. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:00, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

8. (145b) Found on my page 118 for me, versus your page 140: confirmed it discussed "Route Haute" street, Callejas, Casa del Pueblo etc. His brother Domingo sold stationary. However, Paz says that Durruti found a job as a "metalworker" (whereas this article says "mechanic"); I would update this detail in the article.

   Corrected. Thanks for catching this! --Grnrchst (talk) 17:02, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Y These citations are fine (again, please note that my page numbers are a little different):

1. (6) confirmed Ascaso and Durruti went to Paris at this time
2. (11) Confirmed... in my version, this is discussed on page 64 (versus page 68 in your version).
3. (12) Similarly, this is discussed on my page 64 versus your page 68: "Thus, using false passports, Durruti and Ascaso set off for the Americas from the port of Le Havre in late December 1924."
4. (13a) verified on page 65 of my version, versus your page 69: "The stopover in New York was brief; only long enough to stock up for the trip to Cuba." (followed by discussion of landing in Havana etc)
5. (14) For Paz, I verified on page 65 of my version, versus your page 69: "The stopover in New York was brief; only long enough to stock up for the trip to Cuba." And confirmed Kern page 70.
6. (22) In Paz, confirmed on my page 67 versus your page 72: "They rented a small cutter to ferry them outside the port..." Confirmed Kern as well.
7. (29) my page 70, versus your page 75: "Durruti and Ascaso were staying in a luxury hotel (under the name of 'Mendoza'—an 'owner of mines in Peru'... They left ‘Mendoza’ the responsibility of settling the bill.'"
8. (34) my page 70, versus your page 76: "The owner of the rooming house where they stayed described them... [speaking] continuously about social struggles, calling themselves revolutionary Spaniards and saying that they... [wanted to] finance the movement against the Spanish monarchy."
9. (57) Confirmed on page 83, versus your pages 94-95: ABC reported on Feb 23, 1926: "We just learned that Francisco Durruti has been arrested in Bordeaux" etc.
10. (66) page 86 for me, versus your pages 96-97: discusses the Alfonso's visit to Paris and how Los Errantes were planning to assassinate him.
11. (73) page 88 for me, versus your page 100: "The Spanish embassy in Paris was aware of Durruti and his friends’ time in South America..."
12. (79) page 89 for me, versus your page 102: "the Argentine press condemned the police’s anti-anarchist schemes... “sensationalist” papers. For example, Crítica... the police had no proof [they] robbed the bank in San Martín..."
13. (80) page 89-90 for me, versus your pages 102-103: "In Paris... in the Palace of Justice... Ascaso, possession of prohibited weapons, use of a false passport... Durruti, possession of prohibited weapons and use of a false passport; and Jover, use of a false passport... a band of informers were already occupying the part of the courtroom"
14. (83b) page 91 for me, versus your page 104: La Liberaire called for protests.
15. (89) page 96 for me, versus your pages 111-112: rally coverage and papers confirmed
16. (94a) page 98 for me, versus your page 114: Alamarcha extradicted
17. (94b) page 98 for me, versus your page 114: fingerpints etc discussed
18. (101a) Confirmed on my page 102 versus your page 118: "The French Justice Minister was committed to sending the Spaniards to Argentina.. a deputy asked Barthou if the government would give them to Spain. The minister replied categorically: 'To Spain, no.'" and then goes on to talk about common law offenses, etc.
19. (105) page 103 for me, versus your page 120: confirmed Chamber of Deputies law on Feb 28, etc.
20. (124) Confirmed in Kern page 70: covers Makhno's idea of a "political army" used in Spanish Civil War.
21. (129) "CHAPTER XX. Lyon, and in prison again" chapter begins on page 111 (not 130) for me. Supporting quotes: "police control [in Lyon] was so lax there that it was hardly evident when Durruti and Ascaso arrived in early November 1927. Using false identity papers, it wouldn’t be hard for Durruti and his friend to find work..."

Please let me know if you have any questions. I'll put the review on hold for now. — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 16:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

For the record, I'm using a paginated 2006 AK Press edition. I confirmed that these were all indeed the pages I found them on. Perhaps you're using a different edition or an ebook version? --Grnrchst (talk) 16:47, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

I'm also using a paginated 2006 AK Press edition (PDF), but maybe yours has some extra frontmatter? But no worries, I was able to find these quotes pretty easily. But let me know if I was actually looking at the wrong "equivalent" page above & I'll double-check again. — Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 17:13, 24 July 2026 (UTC)