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Also pinging @Mathglot:, @Mark Ironie:, To sum up where we left this: to simply go with the obvious flow of moving non-binary to nonbinary, then, of course, just moving all of these back to Genderqueer. Then, in an obvious progression, merge and move all LGBTQetc pages simply to Queer. Compress the hell out of it all. One article is enough. It's not that complicated. Compress it down to Q. Simple. Then we surrender to the inevitable and merge that to Queer heterosexuality and make it policy that only those who dropped out of art school can make the Pride Flag Pride Flags, which can only be carried by allies, but we will all be required to display on our userpages. They will probably have all the colors at that point, so probably no one will know what they mean, anyway. BLPs of heterosexuals shall be redirected to homosexual. Just because. I think this is a quite modest proposal, and there is no reason we shouldn't get started. If we want others to help we can move this discussion back to all of the talk pages of all of the articles in question, promptly. Because it's clear they really appreciate it. :) Good day, gentlebeings. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 20:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes @CorbieVreccan:, this progression is probable. I see that Budweiser is in the process of facilitating the merger of different Pride banners/flags already. By releasing cups representing the diverse communities, ^[1] this can only signal the beginning of consolidation of them for commercial use. When the weight and membership of the combined communities becomes a majority of the population, a combined flag will be designed. It will be a modest proposal but will find favour with many constituents. Recursively, Mark Ironie (talk) 17:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Bbb23 (talk) 18:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. You follow my sister, right? Why? I know of all the folks who follow her. So (just to serve as an example) I know that Mathglot follows her, but she seems to get along better with Mathglot. So I guess it's understandable that she doesn't mind Mathglot following her. Why do you, though? If you say that you don't follow her, then how do you explain appearing at the Rose McGowan page soon after her to comment on non-binary stuff? Or the Talk:Discrimination against asexual people page soon after she made a comment there? In these and other instances, you never edited the pages before and appeared soon after she edited the page, which I think is because you just got through looking at her contribs. She may not care that you follow her, but it's off-putting to me. Halo Jerk1 (talk) 21:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

I had to look at your user page to (a) discern that you are apparently a longtime editor and not a driveby vandal spouting random gibberish, and (b) figure out who you were talking about. -sche (talk) 23:05, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

No real answer? Man. Come on now, you even followed her to the Human sex ratio page. With the interesting pages she visits, I can't say I blame people wanting to follow her. If she's okay with you following her, I guess it's none of my business, but it has to be annoying for her. I know how she is about people following her unless she's comfortable with the situation. If you're following her because of political issues or some view she expressed, she ain't concerned much with politics. Maybe in the future she will be. Her edits don't need monitoring. It's just off-putting to me, partly because the last time she interacted with you was over the genderqueer page stuff. There was sketchy stuff happening there, and you two sorta butted heads. I think she's done with that page. I don't look like much from my contribs. I don't look like a longtime editor, but I edit fairly often as an IP and usually at my own place. I visit with her every week or so. I'm now having an unjust IP issue. So I have to edit with my registered account for a while. I'll leave you be now. Peace. Halo Jerk1 (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

You accuse me of following somebody but I couldn't even tell from your comment who the subject of your inane conspiracy theory was, because I don't "follow" people. You should dial your paranoia back a bit. Not everything is about you, or your sister. (Which is not a slight on her; when we've interacted I've appreciated that her comments are based on research and reasoning—and in articles I watchlist I've seen her do good work to keep articles based on those things, too—even if different research and/or reasoning sometimes leads me to different positions.) I have thousands of pages on my watchlist and I notice when e.g. IPs change the pronouns on one (as they have on Lynn Breedlove, Rose McGowan, or Grace Dunham) and I try to look into whether the changes are right or not (sometimes they are, e.g. with Dunham, sometimes they're not, e.g. with McGowan and Breedlove). Flyer apparently watches the second of those three pages or also noticed it somehow, but just as she evidently doesn't watch the other two pages, there are probably pages she edits that I don't watch and hence never see (I can only say "probably" because I've never bothered to look through her contribs to see, even now). (Or, if you would prefer: Of course The Cabal follows Her, on Orders from the Deep State, Big Brother, and/or the Illumnati, whichever you prefer. You already know the reasons: the Cabal spelled them out in the letters on the far side of the Wikipedia logo globe.) -sche (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Just so we're on the same page about what you're saying, you're saying you're winding up at these pages you never edited before minutes, hours, or a day after my sister has edited them by chance? You never look at her contribs? OK. But what I see is stuff like how many times she edited the Human sex ratio page compared to how many times you edited it and the timing of your edits. Paranoia? You do know that an editor consistently showing up to a page they never edited before a little after another editor has edited the page is a pattern of editing that is considered when trying to determine if someone is being hounded, right? It's the primary way hounding is determined. I see it a lot at ANI. I'm not accusing you of hounding, but I do see you following her. I may not have her academic degrees, but I'm not stupid. I just wanted to know why you are following her. Instead of getting an honest answer, I got bitter replies. You're upset, but I didn't set out to make you upset. I'm not trolling. Trolling would get me blocked. You're not one of the bad guys I see stalking her, and I have seen bad guys stalking her. A lot of people have.

To your relief, I'm sure, I'm not going to go on about this. Collapse this section or remove the entire discussion, if you wish. Halo Jerk1 (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

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I know. For years, almost no one had written anything with Johnson's correct birthdate. Most people writing didn't bother to talk to those who actually knew Johnson, and just assumed Rivera had told the truth about the Stonewall riots having taken place on Marsha's birthday. So we had "sources" with the wrong birth date... and edit wars. We had to put in primaries to correct it. It was not a good situation. I've added two sources with the right date now (but even those have some other errors). As this was such a point of contention, and as none of the secondary sources we have are without flaws, I'd like to leave the primaries in as backup. The reason the birth certificate scan should be an exception is it's not by some rando - it's in Randy Wicker's archive - Randy is who Marsha was living with, and that's the scan of Marsha's wallet contents. It's unusual/IAR, I know. But it's taken time to get any usable sources for this. The amount of misinformation out there about Marsha is massive. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 20:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I know this is difficult for many people: centuries dates because of the confusion exactly with the dates: The 19th century ended on December 31, 1899. The 20th century began on January 1, 1900 and continued to December 31, 1999. The word "queer" in the late 19th century (meaning the late 1800's) meant peculiar or strange, not homosexual. That use of the word began in the late 20th century (c. 1980's). Please correct what I corrected concerning the date. How you have it now makes the article seem really unreliable.Chaos4tu (talk)

@Chaos4tu: I'm afraid you're mistaken; as the article body says, "an early recorded usage of the word in this sense was in an 1894 letter by John Sholto Douglas", hence the lead's statement that it dates to the late 1800s is correct. (It was also used as a self-identifier by some men in the earlier 1900s, well before the 1980s.) Cheers! :) -sche (talk) 17:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed this edit summary of yours at Causes of transsexuality, which was pretty long and inscrutable, not to mention unclickable. Instead, try coding it like this:

Undo revision [[Special:diff/926408912|926408912]] by [[Special:Contributions/Amd27999|Amd27999]]

and you’ll get a much shorter summary and a clickable version link. See the edit summary of this message for how it might appear in the History. Mathglot (talk) 10:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi sche, I appreciate your concern about my edits in the article Qassem Soleimani. The points you have mentioned are important and I try to use them on my future edits. Thank You. Alex-h (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I noticed that you edited the updated paragraph I uploaded to the James Shupe page. I tried to make sure that my proposed changes were okay before I uploaded the changes. My post in the Talk section of the Jame Shupe page was up for about 24 hours. During that time I received no comments. The information I presented is current and relies on sources used in other parts of his page and are correctly cited.

If you have some concerns with the writing I would appreciate that you engage in the Talk section of the James Shupe page before making any further edits.

Thanks, Mathezar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathezar (talk • contribs) 00:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Dear - sche, could you please tell me exactly which parts of that was unsourced and misrepresented? You deleted over 20 sources only because one was blaze? Why should I seek consensus for addind information with multiple, widely trusted sources? The whole article is highly biased, so I only added other views in one paragraph, and you deleted. Yes, I am mentioned in the talk page, for using a persian language site (actually BBC, but in persian). My problem was that one user believed sources in other languages are not appropriate for use in "Wikipedia English". Is there any guidelines on not using sources in languages other than English? I doubt. So please clearly and exactly tell me which parts were unsourced or misinterpreted. I will add the paragraph again in 24 h if not answered (surely, with even more sources this time). Initially I thought you were really caring about the article, so I tagged you (by sending thanks) to check any issues associated with my edits (like the case of blaze, which I appreciate you for mentioning its statues), but I was apparently wrong. Ms96 (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Looks you intended "Lack of neutrality" and not "Haphazard editing" on the talk page, so I owe you an apology in this regard.Ms96 (talk) 10:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! As this regards article content, I'm going to answer on the article's talk page. :)
I would suggest you try and get a consensus of other editors for your content before re-adding it (or else it will probably be removed again by someone). -sche (talk) 11:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for your fast, constructive response! What you mentioned about the "unsourced" sections (... the intention was that the sources present after the second sentence also verified the first) is totally right. Regarding that specific sentence you mentioned, I remove it (Though I actually intended to insert another source), as you correctly mentioned it is off-topic and "protestors being killed at his orders is nowhere in the NYT article at all". Also, I delete Blaze. I will add an edited version in a couple of days, so please don't hesitate to make any other comments about any part of that paragraph (if you have time). regards Ms96 (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi -sche, I'm writing to you because you're a sysop and maybe you could give me the information I need. What should a user do in case he notices the following situation? An anonymous reverted an edit, it was discovered that this anonymous was using a proxy so it was blocked and his revert undone, then a new registered user appears and restores the anonymous's version without making any other edit. It's very very likely that this new user is the anonymous who used the proxy, but he can't be using the same proxy because it's blocked, so an eventual CU request would lead to nothing except the discovery of a different proxy which wouldn't imply the user's block. I need an advice by somebody experienced. In case you aren't the most proper person to ask, please tell me whom else I should call on. Thanks! 5.171.105.77 (talk) 09:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not a sysop on this project (merely a regular editor who's been around a while), but if you suspect sock puppetry, you could refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. However, if it's just a matter of an editor making one revert to one article, you could try posting on the talk page (soliciting WP:3Os or notifying relevant wikiprojects if the page has few watchers) and seeing if consensus can be reached with other editors about which version is better. If an editor continues to revert to a version that doesn't have consensus, it's likely other editors would undo their edits, and they could be reported to WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. -sche (talk) 09:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions (-: 5.171.122.56 (talk) 11:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks! GiantSnowman 09:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, -sche, you did such a great job on Transgender history, I wonder if I could tempt you to look at Timeline of transgender history, and maybe work your same magic on it? It was created by copying trans-related stuff out of the four LGBT timeline articles (Timeline of LGBT history is the first one), so it's a strict subset of those four. Other than some section organization, bottom matter, and stylistic changes, I haven't changed a thing. Mathglot (talk) 10:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate both the compliment and your work putting the big new article together :) and I'll have a look.

I also want to say that while I understand that all these articles are all quite large, probably too large to combine without then splitting along a different axis of era or region, and maybe should also stay separate for other reasons, it does seem ... awkward? ... that we have LGBT articles and then separate T articles; it seems to inherently either segregate or duplicate T content, while there isn't (for example) a Timeline of gay rights separate from the LGBT one. (It also seems like Transgender history and this timeline article are liable to duplicate a not inconsiderable amount of content.) But I'm not sure what it would be best to do with regard to that, so I'm not proposing to change it at this time.

(This is also an issue on Wiktionary, where there's one category for "LGBT" vocabulary and then another category for "Transgender" vocabulary, and I perennially wonder: should everything be double-categorized? if so, why have the T cat? if not, why is T stuff segregated out of LGBT but LGBT is still called LGBT with the T?...)

-sche (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. This isn't about "separating 'T' from LGBT", it's about creating a cascade of articles in summary style, of which this article merely happens to be the first step of hopefully many steps to come.

I don't find it awkward at all, for this reason: there is no "separation" going on of 'T' from 'LGBT'. Whenever any article gets too big, we follow Summary style, reducing the size of the large article by turning it into a [[WP:G#Parent article|]], with the detail moved to the WP:G#Child articles. There is more than one way to slice and dice it, by time period is one, and the LGBT Timeline is already four separate articles, with the one limited to the 21st century already around 370,000 bytes. If I could wave a magic wand, and by analogy with the two-axis split at Timeline of World War II, which is subdivided both by theater and by year, do the same thing with Timeline of LGBT history, then we'd have it split two, possible three ways: by year, by region, by orientation. Different article organizations would be appropriate to different purposes, or the interests of different viewers, who could pick the appropriate timeline, just as they can now at Timeline of World War II.

Clearly the latter has been around longer and is more mature. But this is a volunteer project, and I don't have that magic wand, so I can only advance one step at a time. I chose this way for numerous reasons, only of which is that 'T' content is submerged in a sea of other detail at the LGBT timeline, which not as relevant, say, to someone in a trans studies class, trying to follow the sweep of history with regard to transgender events. (And it's only roughly chronological.) 'LGBT' has always been a messy, and uneasy ensemble. The analogy is far from perfect, but if World War II is a collection of separate theaters with some core goals in common, but separate driving forces, so it is for LGBT, even sliced in four pieces, most definitely.

Regarding the duplication of content, absolutely the timeline article will duplicate content. Just like the World War II timelines, sliced by theater or war, or via year, do the same; and like all of those duplicate content, from the detailed articles about individual battles or regions. Duplicating this content is completely okay; this happens all over the encyclopedia in any complex topic about history. There must be hundreds of articles about World War II, each offering its own particular frame for understanding something about the war, some by continent (European theatre of World War II), front (Western Front in World War II), country (France in World War II), region World War II in the Basque Country or city (Paris in World War II); or by military campaign (Battle of France, Normandy campaign) or battle (Battle of Caen); or chronologically by year (Timeline of World War II (1944)), 1944 in France). There is massive duplication here, all of it fine, in my opinion, and all useful in different contexts for framing a view of the war in a certain way. So, I'm not worried about duplication of content in the new timeline from either the LGBT timeline articles, or the Transgender history article.

My hope is that the new timeline will be seen not as a way of separating 'T' from 'LGBT', but merely as the first step in an overdue refactoring of a very large article, hopefully to be followed by additional steps. Looking forward in my crystal ball down the road a bit, I see a "Timeline of LGBT history" article reduced from 379kb to around 2,500 bytes (the current size of Timeline of World War II) with nothing but a bunch of links slicing and dicing the topic in several ways. Something has to be done, as the LGBT timeline is only going to get bigger meanwhile. This is just a baby step toward carrying out that vision; hopefully others will agree, and help. Mathglot (talk) 08:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Some WP:JAGUAR comments: I think there are at least two factors at play here that people don't want to to talk about, in the first case, and don't much think about, in the second. The first is that T is in fact diverging in mindshare from LGBT, in at least some aspects. It's an artificial umbrella to start with, in which sexual preference categories that have much in common have been "married" to an unrelated gender-identity one (or ones, including non-binary and genderqueer) for socio-political expediency. The kinds of far-right politicians, and citizens who enable them, that are homophobes, and can't tell the difference between bisexuality and homosexuality, are also apt to be transphobes, and vice-versa; while those accepting of T people are probably also accepting of LGB people and vice versa. But they don't entirely share every agenda or goal or whatever. T activism is increasingly being pitted against L/G and kinda-sorta B legal protections (in ways that aren't consistent between jurisdictions – the conflicts hinge on specific words in specific laws/bills; thus there is little LGB–T conflict in the US but a whole lot of it in the UK, where TERFism seems to have originated and is close to a majority viewpoint). This is a real-world factional conflict on the left, and really doesn't have anything to do with WP, other than we're caught in the crossfire.

The second factor is more of an encyclopedic and information-architecture one: Topic A can be both a subset of Topic B and yet also a coequal "sibling" subject of Topic B simultaneously, just from different viewpoints/focuses. My canonical example of this is snooker and cue sports (and pocket billiards more specifically). Snooker, from one angle is a form of pocket billiards (pool), simply played with small balls and tight pockets on a large table. Very little of its mechanics and origins are unique. So, it is presented as a subset of Category:Cue sports, and relevant subcats of snooker (players, organizations, tournaments, etc.) are subcats of corresponding cue sports subcats. However, from a completely different angle that has nothing to do with historical origins and game mechanics, snooker is a distinct sport, and a major world one at that, entirely separately from all other cue sports. So Category:Snooker also exists as a category at the same levels (e.g. general sports categories) as Category:Cue_sports. Some people don't like this at first; they think it's an error or redundant, but it can be quickly explained to them. Something similar is at work here (and even relates to the first point). From a socio-political angle, T is mostly just part of LGBT; from a sexology and psychology and embryology and so forth angle, T has jack to do with LGB. Never mind that a T person might, by their own or someone else's definition, qualify as L or G or B, and the next T person over might not – but you can't simultaneously be a gay man and a lesbian, or a gay man and a bisexual man; the L, G, and B are mutually exclusive, but not with T. It's just a different kind of thing. To return to cue sports, we've evolved a stable situation in which snooker is mostly treated as a separate sport, with its own wikiproject, but is dual-categorized and shares certain basic articles with cue sports in general, such as Glossary of cue sports terms, and the articles on billiard tables, balls, cues, techniques, etc. Those do not have snooker-specific forks. Even History of snooker only goes back to its origins in some earlier pool games; it does not try to recapitulate the entire history of cue sports from a snooker-centric angle back to ancient times. This kind of hybrid approach is probably inevitable with the T in LGBT and some other letters in the extended versions of the acronym.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

If it interests anyone who watches my talk page, and so I find it later: a discussion at WP:RAQ (following earlier discussions) has resulted in the discovery of quite a few articles with long HTML-commented-out hidden sections of content, which need review. -sche (talk) 00:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for integrating various concerns and wording quibbles I raised. I think the resulting version you put into MOS:BIO is much less apt to attract hellfire than the drafts on the talk page.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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I’m sorry for the comment about the quote in that article, I had not seen the amendment on MOS. Clearly my understanding of a broader convention was in conflict with a more specific one, which was decided by the community. I withdraw my statement and apologise! FWIW, that article is fascinating and one of the best written articles (IMHO) on Wikipedia, thank you fir taking it to GA.

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And here I was wondering, when I saw the title, what COVID-19 page I had edited recently. :p (Victor and Corona?) -sche (talk) 18:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry! I have this thing where I mix up gender and coronavirus; this past year and a half has been very sexually confusing for me. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 19:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

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Check "flange" at List of animal names. The sketch is on YouTube, it's a good one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

...or it may have been removed, possibly it was too funny. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Ha! I see that article says Not the Nine O'Clock News originated it, whereas Wiktionary currently only says they popularized it (as if it might've existed previously) ... is there a source for Not the Nine O'Clock News coining it, in which case I'll update the Wiktionary entry? -sche (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hm, this doesn't actually say that. But here's the sketch: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hey @-sche. Your wiki edit anniversary is today, marking 15 years of dedicated contributions to English Wikipedia. Your passion for sharing knowledge and your remarkable contributions have not only enriched the project, but also inspired countless others to contribute. Thank you for your amazing contributions. Wishing you many more wonderful years ahead in the Wiki journey. :) -❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 15:52, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

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