User talk:Backspace

If I ask real nicely can I get you to format your references?

Instead of this:

Better:

It looks like this:^[1]

Thanks, carry on. WikiDon (talk) 21:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, that is a little more work! I'll have to see whether I can remember to do it. Regarding the topic of references in general, I guess I've been remiss in that I've spent a lot more effort in being accurate than in proving that I'm accurate. Thanks for your interest and comments. Backspace (talk) 22:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for being accurate, there are thousands of bits on Wikipedia that are not. But, you will find it easier once you get into the habit of formatting references that it saves steps down the road. Thanks again. WikiDon (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Your activities indicate you might, possibly, find the National Register WikiProject of interest. Thought I'd letcha know. :)

Also, as to archiving your talk page, it's not that hard. There are bots that can do it for you; it's how I've got mine set up. Check User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo for info. You'd want MiszaBot III; it's the one that does user talk pages. Setting up links to the archives isn't that difficult either. If you need any help or advice on the matter, just give a shout-out. Cheers! --Ebyabe (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all that info; and I do apologize for not answering for such a long time. I'll look into it and see what I can contribute. Backspace (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

No prob! As you can see, I'm not always the swiftest on the uptake myself. :) Anyway, cheers, and keep on keepin' on. --Ebyabe (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

For Selawik Lake, I had updated:

• coordinates and elevation from GNIS
• area from National Atlas of the United States
• The leading and History text came from GNIS.

Alaska has:

• about 67 artificial reservoirs, and
• over 2000 named natural lakes.

Selawick's significance is that it is the 3rd largest in Alaska; 17th largest in U.S., according to the National Atlas.

I have most BC geographic pages bookmarked, and noticed your recent hard work placing all the respective RD cats on them......just a caution, I noted this morning you'd added RD cats to Queen Charlotte Strait and other saltwater-bodies.....this is one of the reasons I don't like using RDs as geographic classifications in BC - waterbodies are federal, not provincial, jurisdiction and the RDs (as puppets/proxies of the provincial government and municipal governments, which are also provincially-derived) have NO JURISDICTION on bodies of water. The Queen Charlotte Strait, properly, isn't IN a regional district; only the lands around it are; Gardner Canal seems more eligible if only because it's encased so tightly by landmasses. Also to caution that it will not be appropriate to put either First Nations governments or their villages in RDs, as they're excluded and self-excluding from the municipal/RD government system. A reserve or government such as the Shackan First Nation near Merritt is in the Nicola Country, but it is not in the Thompson-Nicola Regional District in strict terms. Regional districts are also only one way the provincial government breaks down BC regionally - the Ministry of Environment has a different set of regions, the Ministry of Forests has another, and there are endless others for health, courts, and so on. I realize you're probably not from BC or even Canada and just trying to do something useful, and it's one reason I wish other editors hadn't barged ahead (from other parts of Canada) invoking the RD system as a valid way to classify places in BC geographically; it's not. Keep on doing what you're doing, just be advised on a lot of them they may get "stripped" as I've launched a debate (on sometalklpage somewhere, back with the link later if you're interested) about the inutility of RDs for a lot - a LOT - of things they're currently being placed on; they were only invented in the 1960s or 1970s, and definitely historical articles before that shouldn't have RD-based cats placed on them. All my own little bandwagon, not to worry; there's a few like Dixon Entrance (which you didn't do) that I'll be taking the RD off as a "case in point". There are those who try to equate RDs to the county system in Ontario/Maritimes or in the US, but it's very different and only one of several different provincial govenrment regionalilzation systems.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Aha, I see how you worded that on Queen Charlotte Strait; well done; from my watchlist I thought you'd added the category, not a phrase to the text.Skookum1 (talk) 16:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see the new discussion at the WikiProject British Columbia talkpage re using RDs....further to the above, triggered off this morning by considerations about provincial parks, in teh same context as the problem with using the RD cats on First Nations-related article. RDs are only para-municipal jurisdictions and not geographic regions as such.Skookum1 (talk) 17:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm from that area, the park is outside the boundaries of the Thompson-Nicola Regional District, which begins to its southeast just outside the canyon; Marble Canyon also is not even partly in the Thompson-Nicola Regional District; the boundary sign on Hwy 99 is at the southern outlet of the canyon, where the divide between Pavilion Creek and Hat Creek drainages are. I took it out of the TNRD for good reason, please don't put it back in again.Skookum1 (talk) 21:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

But this map? Backspace (talk) 21:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Aside from the point that there is no Category:Northern Rockies Regional District, British Columbia, that RD ends at the spine of the Rockies and doesn't go as far west as the settlement of Liard River; yes, the Liard River as a river is partly in the NRRD but the community of Liard River is to the west of the Rocky Mountains and not in this RD; it is in the non-RD "Stikine Region". Toad River I'm not so sure about and will ref BC basemap to check; I think it's west of teh spine of the Rockies and so also not in the NRRD.....basemap (see http://maps.gov.bc.ca), like other government databases, doesn't catalogue these places as being in RDs, but as being in Land Districts (See User:Skookum1/Sandbox for a draft list-article). These are community articles and so have a place in an RD cat (the correct RD cat); geographic articles I'll be taking up the issue at the WPCanada discussion board; census divisions are not valid geographic-designators; geographic regions are (and RDs are not geogrpahic regions but governmental bodies, and as already explained there are more relevant governmental bodies/subdivisions).Skookum1 (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Toad River's west of Muncho Lake and maybe is east of the designated spine of the Rockies, so maybe NRRD is correct; but Liard River definitely isn't.Skookum1 (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I certainly must beg to differ with you on the point concerning the Liard River. From Watson Lake, Yukon it flows southeasterly into British Columbia parallel to Highway 97. (The town of Liard River, British Columbia is where the highway departs from the course of the river.) Then it curves back northeastward into the Northwest Territories toward the town of Fort Liard, Northwest Territories. As far as the non-existent category, please don't worry; all categories were formerly non-existent. Backspace (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The community of Liard River (not the river), which is waht you've linked, is I believe in the Stikine Region along with Lower Post; I cant' find an RD map for that area in close enough detail, and as noted before the BC and Canadian geonames databases index them by Land District, NOT Regional Districts. Popped by here to tell you I'd replied, in part, to your responses at your Coast/Interior query, on Category talk:Regional Districts of British Columbia.Skookum1 (talk) 21:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

MapArt Publishing Company ^[1] has a halfway decent British Columbia roadmap which shows that Liard River, British Columbia (the town) is in the Northern Rockies Regional District. As you've said, Lower Post, British Columbia is in the Stikine Region to the west of Liard River. You can't access the map online, but you can buy a folding paper copy of it cheaply. Backspace (talk) 22:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You just beat me to that one. I just noticed that I had spelt it wrong and went to correct it and saw that you had alread done so, odd coincidence. I moved it over to the correct name. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

On your part in this, it's nice to see that someone is keeping better track of whether these airfields are still operational than I am. Backspace (talk) 17:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I just want to say hello as I see your name frequently on the same articles I'm working on. I am trying to expand on all California National Forest articles as well as creating new articles for the wilderness areas in California. If you ever need an good footnote. I'm the one for that! Cheers, Marcia

Marcia Wright (talk) 16:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It's always nice to hear from someone who has similar interests. I shall be on the lookout for your contributions. Backspace (talk) 17:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to note your addition of the TNRD to Thompson Country; note that the TNRD cat is already a subcat of Category:Thompson Country; it's debatable which should be the parent cat......Skookum1 (talk) 17:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Too many categories and subcategories to keep track of. I will have to be more careful. Backspace (talk) 17:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

As dicsussed elsewhere, sometimes a "country" is part of an RD, sometime sand RD is part of a "country". In the case of the Cariboo Regional District, I just made the Category:Chilcotin Country and Category:Cariboo Country subcats of it; which means that the mountain/canyon articles now have a redundant parent cat, namely the RD one. Category:South Cariboo doesn't yet exist but when it does it can have the TNRD cat as a parent; it's other parent should be the Cariboo Country cat, not the CRD cat. This is why I expressed reservations about he use of RD cats for geographic articles; there's already geographic-area cats, albeit in need of coordination with the RD cats in all cases; otherwise the RD cats will be cluttered with geographic articles while their prime relevance is communities and RD-related agencies; with the geographici articles in the "country" cats, which can be subcats, this removes the perceived need (on your part) to classify everythying by RD. I'll try and make up a directory/list for you of which "countries" are in which RDs and/or vice-versa.....so in general, note that if a mountain, park or river was already in Category:Sea to Sky Country, Category:Lillooet Country, or Category:Bridge River Country, it's redundant for them to also be in the SLRD category; NB some of the Lillooet Country is in the GVRD (south of Lillooet Lake).Skookum1 (talk) 18:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Just did the same to the Lillooet and Sea to Sky Countries, ie. now as subcats of SLRD, but didnt' do the same for Brdige River Country as that would be redundant, as it's a subregion of the Lillooet Country. Note that your addition just now of the RD cat to Taseko Mountain is redundant, as it's already in the Chilcotin Country cat; likewise many other entries you've made; which is why I was trying to dissaude you from doing so; a lot of "undos" out there now due to such redundancies......Skookum1 (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you find/make a bot to remove all the redundant and ill-advised cat-placements.....been enough work adding them manually, no?Skookum1 (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

As noted, sometimes RDs encompass more than one region; in other cases on region incorporates two different RDs:

• Lower Mainland (region)
  • Metro Vancouver (RD)
  • Fraser Valley Regional District (RD)
• Fraser Canyon
  • Fraser Valley Regional District
  • Thompson-Nicola Regional Distirct
  • Squamish-Lillooet Regional District
  • Cariboo Regional District
• Central Coast of British Columbia
  • Central Coast Regional District
  • Mount Waddington Regional District
  • Strathcona Regional District (primarily Mid-Vancouver Island and Discovery Islands, however; the North Island in in the Mt Waddington RD)
• Okanagan (region)
  • Okanagan-Similkameen Regional District
  • North Okanagan Regional District
  • Okanagan-Boundary Regional District
• Kootenays
  • Columbia-Shuswap Regional District
    • NB Shuswap Country and Columbia Country/Columbia Valley are subcats, though the Shuswap Country's not in teh Kootenays....
  • Okanagan-Boundary Regional District
  • Central Kootenay Regional District
  • East Kootenay Regional District
• Cariboo Regional District
  • Chilcotin Country
  • Cariboo Country
    • NB the South Cariboo is partitioned between the CRD and TNRD, and the Lillooet Country is a subcat of the Cariboo one...

Taht's all for now, but I think you get the idea......

I am quite aware of where the RD lines fall, as you might suspect by now. I do very little if any, classification by the "regions" you speak of, so you can't say that I've made many mistakes as far as those. I generally completely ignore what "region" something is in when I classify stuff. I only care and classify by Regional District. Telling me that some RD's contain more than one "region" or that some regions contain more than on RD is interesting, but it does not help or hinder my classification, as I only do it by RD location. Backspace (talk) 18:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is yet another example, and Iv'e removed the redundant cats you added. I can't stress enough, also, t hat "Strathcona" is a decidedly Vancouver Island-oriented geographic term despite the RD having mainland areas (all near-totally unpopulated, including this canyon); it's not in a "Strathcona region", which is teh assumption people make off RD names. As noted above, Category:Central Coast of British Columbia includes more than one RD, so the RDs are subcats rather than parents; but again, even though a subcat for the SRD could be here, it doesnt' make sense in terms of geographic-referencing in BC-speak....f.Skookum1 (talk) 19:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You may have a point regarding the assertion that Great Canyon (Homathko River) was already in Category:Cariboo Regional District through its subcategory Chilcotin Country. I was not aware of the category/subcategory hierarchy at the time I classified the article. However, I am hereby launching a formal protest of your deletion of Category:Strathcona Regional District from the article. Without proof that the subject of the article does not fall within the parameters of the category, it is my contention that the category should be restored. Backspace (talk) 19:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Protest as you wish, I stand by my position. It's complicated in teh case of Strathcona Regional District because part of it is in the Central Coast, part of it is in Category:Mid Vancouver Island. I suppose there are arguments that the South Coast includes Bute Inlet; I'll look that up, but generally the archipelago northwest of Campbell River is considered the Central Coast; I'll check on that, if you wish. The further complication is that the Central Coast Regional Ditrict is part of the Central Coast, but likewise in addition to part of Strathcona is the Mount Waddington Regional District. It's the opposite situation to Cariboo, which incorpoates several regions; it's a case where an obvious geographic region has bgeen split for reasons of political expediency/conveience; a potential subcat to Central Coast, by the way, is Category:Queen Charlotte Strait, which though a body of water also operates, like Strait of Juan de Fuca, Georgia Strait and Puget Sound, as a region-name. Strathcona Regional District is a subcat of both Central coast and a grandchil-cat of South Coast (via Mid Vancouver Island). Again, I think the geographic categories are relevant to geographic objects, and RD categories are relevant to administrative entities; the RD cats will be bloated with hundreds of mountain, lake, river and "thing" articles; the same is true of region categories, yes, but they lend themselves more rationally to "Mountains of the Chilcotin" and "Lakes of the Central Coast" and ht like. BC geography is complciated, and using �RDsalone is not an adequate way to classify things,, and as noted before somet things are never classifeied that way; and doing so, I continue to contend, is a form of original research, almost synthesis in the form "I need something with exact boundaries to classify these things with, even though they're not currently classified that way". They are, again, in actual definition/primary source terms, classified by Land District; the populace classifies them in the popular argot, the "country"/valley etc region system. Sometiems RDs are near-identical to regions, as with Comox Valley; in other cases they span them, or divide them. The thing is if you will RD cats with articles in need of subcatting, somebody will; and the relevance of Category:Mountains in the Strathcona Regional District is totally beyond me, when it's far more relevant that they're the Pacific Ranges or any number of potential range-subcats, or in the case of inlets and basins, region subcats for those as applicable. I told you before about the region cats; that RDs are subcats or some, and parents of others, is parto of hte problem; awkward naming of the RDs, like STrathcona, is part of the problem also (again, Strathcona is a Vancouver Island-association anyway). RDs tehsmelves do not make lists of bodies of water; federal Fisheries does, and the Water Branch and Fish and Wildlife Branch of BC Environment, but not using RDs as st eh defining parameters, but more geographic-based regions, as opposed to poitically-convnient ones. RDs are relevant to "political objects" and communiites with voters in them; "First Nations Reserves in the so-and-so Regional District" makes it sound, again, as though tthey're part of it (t; "First Nations Reserves inside the boundary of so-and-so- Regional District is the much more accurate way to put that; oh yes, it's true, though, that RDs make lists of IRs, they have to; so they know where not to try and pull their weight.....Skookum1 (talk) 01:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

As I have said, I can see your point that mountains, lakes, and rivers should belong to geographically-based regions, and no one has taken them out of those categories that you so believe in (certainly not me, anyway). But can you see the other point that many people have, that these mountains, lakes, and rivers lie in Vancouver, or the East Kootenay Regional District, or the Yukon Territory, or Canada, or Yellowstone National Park, even though you yourself believe that these are merely politically expedient categories having nothing to do with the natural objects themselves? Other people do see things this way, and whether or not Parks Canada "makes lists" of these objects is irrelevant to the fact that these objects exist within such-and-such a park, and are perceived by the general public as existing within that park, for instance. Backspace (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

[undent]You still don't get it; people do think in terms of park boundaries, they do not think in terms of Regional District boundaries for things like mountains, etc. In the case of mountains, they think in terms of ranges and regions or, when applicable, parks.Skookum1 (talk) 19:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's see. We have this category called Strathcona Regional District, British Columbia. There are currently 94 articles under the category. You say that we should not put airports in there (13 articles out); you say that we should not put islands in there (15 articles out); you say that we should not put mountains in there (4 articles out); you say that we should not put parks in there (37 articles out); you say that we should not put canyons, icefields, inlets, channels, sounds, lakes, rivers, etc. in there (13 articles out); you say that we should not put airports in there (13 articles out). You did not say anything about cities/communities, so I will leave those in, leaving exactly 12 supposedly "legitimate" articles in the category. My question is, why is there a category in which practically nothing can be included? What is the purpose of having that category? Backspace (talk) 21:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads-up that RD cat and article names are being harmonized to do away with the comma-British Columbia part of the title, and also the phraseing "Regional District of....". Not sure if this has been applied yet to the Columbia-Shuswap Regional District but any minute now the comma-province catlink on Blaeberry Falls, your latest edit, can be simplified.....Skookum1 (talk) 19:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank someone for that bit of consistency at least. I always wondered why some of the districts were backwards "Regional District of" vs. "Xxxx Regional District", and why some of them had "British Columbia" tacked at the end while others didn't. That did not make any sense at all. There's no way that I, personally, would have named the RD categories in the fashion that they have been. Backspace (talk) 21:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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Regional districts are not suitable for regional categorization; their categories should only be used for institutions and agencies and municipalities directly connected to the jurisdiction of the regional district governments, which power plants are not. Jordan River is pretty much within range of Category:Greater Victoria, British Columbia, which is a region category; there is already Category:West Coast of Vancouver Island there; usually Greater Victoria "ends" at Sooke, but Jordan River has come within commuting range of the city and is an "outlier" area, though the usual name for that region is the Juan de Fuca region; which once made a subcat would be a subcat of both the West Coast of Vancouver Island category and the Greater Victoria cat; others within West Coast of Vancouver Island would be Barkley Sound region, Clayoquot Sound region, Nootka Sound region, Kyuquot Sound region, etc. Please don't start adding regional district categories to provincial parks, Indian Reserves, and geographic objects which are not under regional district governance and do NOT belong in RD categories....Skookum1 (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

To clarify, using an example another BC wikipedian came up with in a discussion of this elsewhere, classifying things that have nothing to do with RD governance in RD categories make no more sense than classifying them by provincial or federal electoral district, or by another of the other several regionalization systems used by either level of government. Additionally, determining if a mountain is in an RD, or a provincial park, and then categorizing it as such, as explicitly original research as those things are not expressed that way in cited materials (unless those cited materials are sources which ape Wikipedia content); mountains and lakes are typically described either in terms of ordinary geographic region or re the local Forests district/region, and mountains are always also classified by mountain range or equivalent (in the case of plateaus); Indian Reserves, if anything, by band government or tribal council or "ethnic"/tribal group, conceivably, the whatever regionalization system is used by Indian and Northern Affairs Canada; provincial parks according to Parks regions, which are more or less the same as Ministry of Environment regions; all are indexed by government sources only by Land District, which is the one common denominator behind all items (including RDs).Skookum1 (talk) 00:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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Regional district categories should only include items actually under regional district jurisdiction; nobody in British Columbia (except Wikipedians perpetuating the problem) use them as geographic divisions, and they are only one of several ways to subdivide the province; regional districts are no more relevant than forest districts, electoral districts,. school districts, environment regions, health regions, mines districts/divisions etc etc etc. Using them as locational references is a mistake made early on Wikipedia by people trying to transpose the notion of counties from other jurisdictions, be it eastern Canadian provinces or US or UK/Eire counties. They are only relevant to municipal governance and as census divisions (which is federal, not provincial), and are arbitrary and political in nature, not fixed geographic realities. IMO these categories should be deleted and the traditional divisions of British Columbia, upon which they and the other subdivisions of the province, be used. In this case the Portland Canal's a sub-area of Category:North Coast of British Columbia and includes the Category:Nass Country and Category:Stewart Country (though the latter has not been created yet), and has relevance in Category:Boundary Ranges (which is a subcat of Category:Coast Mountains). Regional district are especially unsuitable for the inclusion of Indian Reserves and Indian sites, as these are explicitly outside regional district jurisdiction, and in the case of geographic entities these are classified in academic and other sources by forest region/district or mountain range or sub-area of the coast or plateau; provincial parks have their own regionalization system and are also not under regional district jurisdiction, likewise schools, hospitals etc etc etc. Regional districts have little power and are, I repeat, NOT used by British Columbians to refer to their landscape; they are only used in reference to municipalities. Please stop re-adding them as they are not relevant and cause pelpe in other countries, and in other-language wikipedias, to think that they are the normal way to view/divide the British Columbia landscape, which they are anything but. Some earnest Wikipedian made this mistake a long time ago, without reference to sources or on-the-ground usages.Skookum1 (talk) 13:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

but if you put something, anything on your user page then your name will appear in blue in stead of red and other editors (me, for example) might not feel a need to double check your edits. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 07:01, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I do not mind being double-checked. I don't even mind being corrected, if my posts are non-factual. However, one of the ways that I can see my contributions to an article easily is the fact that they are tagged in red (in a sea of blue). I've contributed to a lot of articles and it is just easier to scroll down and look for the red links. To me the important thing is that a contributor be accurate and factual, not whether he is a veteran or newbie, not whether he is blue-linked or red-linked. Thanks for your comments, Einar. At least, someone is paying attention to my contributions. Is there a place where I can find out the top red-linked contributors to Wikipedia? I'm probably up there somewhere. I'm nowhere close in the blue category though. Backspace (talk) 07:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well if you are doing it intentionally, that's fine. It's okay if you're not doing it on purpose too, I just always bring it up after double-checking a red editor. Which is different from a commie pinko editor, but the colors end up the same. It's probably too late for me to be up. Though it is nice meeting you. Carptrash (talk) 07:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Some of your recent changes, such as this and this , were incorrect. Please be more careful with your edits in the future. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

On Dunns Pond Mound, I am willing to bet anything that Russells Point is closer than Ohio|Huntsville. Just look on a map. On Portsmouth Earthworks, I entered South Shore because it is an incorporated place. It may or may not be closer than South Portsmouth, which, as far as I can tell, in not an incorporated place at all. By the way, I don't really like the designation of "nearest city" that we have here at Wikipedia. It is a very arbitrary and subjective topic, raising questions of: What is a city? (city/town/village/CDP/unincorporated place with people living there?) How close is close? Is a bigger city "close" even though it's farther away than a smaller one? You get the idea. Backspace (talk) 00:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The majority of those locations, and the idea of having them at all, is taken from their NRHP and NHL entries. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 00:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

For that reason, we need to go with the NRHP database. It's one thing with obvious errors — e.g. the Pisgah Christian Church in Brown County, Ohio (38°46′57″N 83°52′48″W), which was listed as being in Wilmington, Ohio despite there being many communities, including its county seat, that were much closer — but when we have ambiguity, we can't assume that it's an error. Take the Zimmerman Kame for another example: it might be closer to McGuffey if you only want to take state highways. You won't find anything in the NRHP database — or on its nomination form, which I have — about McGuffey or Belle Center or anywhere else except Roundhead. Nyttend (talk) 14:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

My candidate (Belle Center) is incorporated; yours (McGuffey) is not. See my preceding arguments about What is a city? above. "Close" to me generally means crow-flies distance, although I can see people's argument for on-land accessibility. Also, you cannot assume that something officially listed on some database is actually the "closest" place to any particular site. By what criteria do they define a city, place, etc? How big or important must this place be? Backspace (talk) 19:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Greetings ... I appreciate the edits you're making to the various articles for the parks located in the Walt Disney World Resort. While they are indeed correct, the consensus on these articles is that the main parent article for the overall resort includes all the essential location information to explain exactly where these parks are located. It discusses the two "administrative cities" of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista at length, whereas the theme park articles should only discuss that they are located within Walt Disney World. The talk pages for these articles (and Walt Disney World itself) have plenty of threads on this subject, if you'd like to review them. Please let me know if you have any other questions or comments. Thanks, and happy editing! --McDoobAU93 (talk) 15:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that you had added categories to airports in Saskatchewan and in at least two cases they were redlinked and the only article was the airport. Rather than doing that it would be a better idea to find all the articles that would fit in Category:Big Arm No. 251, Saskatchewan for example, create the category and add all the articles. You could then go on to the next category. That way the category would be bluelinked and have more than one article in it. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 09:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

In the rural municipalities categories of Saskatchewan, I am not quite sure how many of them will wind up with multiple entries, being as how they are so sparsely populated and seem to generate relatively little interest with regard to Wikipedia participation. Secondly, I am not really that familiar with the process of creating new categories. However, I do plan to create categories, at least for those R.M.s that I eventually find articles for which have more than themselves as the only article.

Well, it's nice to hear from the northern reaches of the continent again, anyway. I know I've heard from you before, but it's been quite some time. Backspace (talk) 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

When you're categorizing things in Saskatchewan, please note that articles are not permitted to be left sitting in redlinked (i.e. non-existing) categories. If you'd like to create the appropriate categories for each rural municipality, then by all means feel free to do so — but if you're not willing to do that then you need to restrict yourself to categories that already exist. Bearcat (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not a matter of willingness. It is my intention to create all of the categories in which I have placed these articles. Unfortunately, my schedule and availability of access to the internet does not always allow me to do things on a regular schedule. I have not forgotten about the things that I have left hanging. Backspace (talk) 08:32, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for the message it is very helpful. Sorry about the mistakes i was rushing through creating the articles i will me more careful with the coords in the future. Thanks again Cheers! Kyle1278 18:43, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for providing your unsolicited input to this discussion. Your support has been greatly appreciated. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Please join the conversation at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 August 2#Alberta municipal districts 117Avenue (talk) 05:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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Greetings, I recall you recently added or revised geographical coordinates to various Alberta community articles using the CGNDB. I just created articles for approximately 65 communities in Alberta recognized as designated places by Statistics Canada that did not previously have articles. Can you provide me with a link to the CGNDB so that I may populate these articles with coordinates and add location maps as a result? Alternately, can you go through those I just created and add the coordinates for me? If you would prefer the latter, let me know and I can provide you with a list of the new articles. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I will let you handle it. I don't really know too much about where to find the relevant location maps. The database that I use is at http://gnss.nrcan.gc.ca/gnss-srt/advancedSearch.jsp Backspace (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply and the link. I will add the coordinates to those designated places that are within the CGNDB, which will enable me to add their location maps as well.

Do you happen to know if there is a DB somewhere with elevations of named locations? Nearly every Alberta community article that includes an elevation figure does so without referencing it. I'd like to validate some, and perhaps even sweep through the articles adding the proper elevation reference at some point. Hwy43 (talk) 22:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Can't help you on the elevations. Haven't input a single one myself and don't know where you would find an "official" database. Anyway, I'll be sure to keep an eye on your coming contributions on Alberta. Backspace (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

		The Invisible Barnstar
		For all of the hard work that you are doing, while wanting to remain under the radar, I hereby award you the Invisibility Barnstar! Your efforts are appreciated! Royalbroil 14:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome and I found your additions because of these changes to numerous articles on my watchlist. I found the award at WP:BARN. Yea, it's harder for the Wikipedia regulars to recognize people with redlinked names because at least 95 percent of the time it means that someone is a vandal or new. Usually it means trouble. Rarely is it a seasoned person like yourself who really gets how things work around here. To me, an edit to a redlinked name on an article that I'm watching means that I for sure need to review it.

I've always identified the location as the nearest community; a place that the reader can find on a map. Larger designated areas like Recreational Areas and National Forests don't fit well. How would you change the way that things are done if you could? For Blue Mound State Park, the nearest community is named Blue Mound. The Chippewa Moraine State Recreation Area is probably best described by its location within the county. I took the photographs at the Potawatomi State Park - that's real confusing since it's located on a bay called Sturgeon Bay near the city called Sturgeon Bay. The Bay of Sturgeon Bay is a bay within a large bay called Green Bay (also not to be confused with the city of Green Bay known for the Green Bay Packers), which is a bay to Lake Michigan. Royalbroil 00:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

To me, the "Nearest city" designation, which can be seen on the Michigan state parks sites, among others, seems to make more sense. Location implies to me that something is actually within the named place, not just close to it. Backspace (talk) 01:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of its existence and I didn't completely understand your question. I had to look with up in Michigan's Fort Wilkins Historic State Park article that I visited this summer. I think you should implement the closest city were appropriate and I doubt it's controversial enough to require a cursory ask from my fellow WikiProject Wisconsin people. I think WP:BOLD is appropriate in this case. Royalbroil 03:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

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	I think you have showed up on my watchlist about fifty times in the last week or so, making small but helpful improvements to Alaska-related articles. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one paying attention to a lot of these articles, it's nice to know that isn't the case. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I should be the one asking that question of you. By last count, it appears that you have twice as many edits as I do, even though you have not been at Wikipedia as long as I have. However, it appears that I do more direct article edits than you, since I do not have any real administrative duties, nor do I engage in much user talk and such. I just edit whenever I have free time and feel like doing it, and I don't really follow any schedule.

Most of my edits center around geographical topics, although I have done a few things with country music articles. Alaska has always fascinated me as a place that is wild, remote, and unknown, not just to people in general, but even among most Americans. I just thought I might make it easier for people to understand the place, just by locating places and seeing where they are on a map. One thing that I noticed on Wikipedia in general, with Alaska being no exception, was that those location maps that the geo-coordinates lead the reader to seem to drill down to the last tiny bit of sand in the center of whatever place the article was about. Clicking on a map did not really give one a sense of where the place was, especially in relation to other places. Sometimes you would just get a big white blot. So I decided to change the scale of maps in order that places could be seen relative to other places around it.

However, I am no expert on Wikipedia manipulation, since there are many things that I would like to do but simply don't know how to. I ran into that problem while trying to change the scale of maps where the coordinates were built into an infobox template structure, so there were plenty of instances where I saw things that I wanted to change, but didn't do so.Backspace (talk) 09:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Backspace, if you haven't already done so, you should join WikiProject Geographical coordinates. You should be able to raise questions like your Infobox query there. Regards, Bazonka (talk) 08:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I have checked out that dim: parameter. I'll have to test it out to see how it works.

Thanks. Backspace (talk) 08:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Please be more careful when adding categories to articles. You recently added Category:Queens to American Airlines Flight 1. That category, however, is intended for the consorts of kings or other royals (eg. Queen Elizabeth.) The appropriate category would have been Category:Queens, New York City.

Please also spend a little more time reading the article in question prior to adding categories. You added Category:Madera County, California to 1938 Yosemite TWA crash when the accident occurred in Mariposa County.

Also, when it comes to aviation accidents in specific, the articles are categorized under disasters or transportation disasters or a related category -- for example Category:Disasters in California rather than Category:California. This way we don't have crazy over-categorization.

Cheers. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû _(blah?) 01:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

1. Queens. Guilty. I should have known better.

2. Madera County. I still maintain that it happened in Madera County. First reason: Text says it occurred on Buena Vista Crest, which is in Madera County (GNIS). Second reason: Given geocoordinates (assuming they are true - I did not put them in; somebody else did), also places it in Madera County. Where do you get the indication that it lies in Mariposa County?

3. For the third point, I am usually trying to place the event / place geographically within a certain county or city (as opposed to another county or city). For more specific categories (within that county, I will generally defer to other people as to what category the articles should fall into. In other words, I am just doing geography, as opposed to anything else. Backspace (talk) 02:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Geographic coordinates: I saw you deleted some of those from some crash articles; I had just recently the geo coordinates on the TWA 800 article as I didn't think they were accurate (or appropriate). Are they all wildly inaccurate? LoveUxoxo (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I removed the coordinates for United Airlines Flight 610 because they had the plane crashing into the Colorado State Capitol Building, which was obviously untrue. I also removed the coordinates for the 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash because the article text said that it occurred in Edmunds County, South Dakota and the coordinates were in the city of Aberdeen, South Dakota (in the next county). I don't know where people get these obviously wildly inaccurate coordinates, because they have nothing to do with the crash, other than sometimes being somewhat close. Backspace (talk) 17:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

In some cases the official accident report will give specific coordinates but not usually. For example the 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash the official report just states that it "...crashed near Aberdeen, South Dakota." I think trying to quantify that with coordinates with a high degree of precision does not make sense, but it looks like the WP:GEO people feel otherwise. Oh, I think those are added by a bot, and am concerned that if you leave the "coord missing" tag the bot will come back and put the inaccurate coordinates back in (though I don't really know). Cheers! LoveUxoxo (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm very leery when I see the word "near". "Near" is very subjective and not the same thing as "in", which is vastly more objective. How near is near? If I reported that a plane crashed in Windsor, "near Detroit", it would be logically deemed as factual by most people, myself included. They are as near as near can be, actually touching each other. However, if someone were to assume that it was "in" Detroit, and provide some random coordinates therein, would put the location in the wrong city, wrong county, wrong state (province), and even the wrong country. That is what relying on the word "near" will get you, to use an extreme example. Backspace (talk) 19:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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While the album's notability may be questioned, the notability of the artist is unassailable. That is the main reason why the article was created. I did not see the notability query that you mentioned. Backspace (talk) 19:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source for the claim that the population of this borough is larger than that of Ecatepec and Guadalajara? Normally, I would revert this kind of unsourced information, but I know it is quite plausible. I did put a {{cn}} tag on it though. It may be removed at a later date by someone else if it isnt cited. Thanks.Thelmadatter (talk) 11:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem has now been corrected. I am not sure how this would affect the 83% figure that was already in the text, because I do not have previous census numbers available, and besides, the "last decades" statement is quite vague. Backspace (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Similar problem... I dont see a citation stating that the city extends beyond the municipality's borders. I find this dubious. All is urban area, but doesnt mean the city of Naucalpan... a political entity has any say in neighboring municipality's affairs.Thelmadatter (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Have you looked at the links, especially that of Huixquilucan de Degollado? Have you looked at the locality population tables from INEGI? Cities, as such, are non-existent governmental entities within municipalities anyway. All of the political power lies with the municipality. It was stated that the two parts of the city are governed separately. They are not a political unit. There is no such thing as a political city/locality in these municipalities of Mexico. Backspace (talk) 03:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you add a citation for the "least populated" fact that you added to Tenango del Aire?Thelmadatter (talk) 15:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I am not certain what you mean by "citation". I assume that it means a quotation from some source. I cannot supply you with that. However, I do have all of the population figures for all localities, municipalities, and states in Mexico, which are available from the referenced source in the article. There are over 250,000 localities in Mexico. When they are all in front of you in spreadsheet format it is a simple matter to determine which entities are the largest, etc. This is the source from which I have supplied the short tables of locality populations (in the Towns and Villages section in Tenango del Aire, among other municipalities) from the 2010 census. Backspace (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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Are you about to add this parameter to the infobox? It's not in there already, as far as I can see. - Denimadept (talk) 21:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

You can do it if you want to. I'm not all that familiar with changing infobox templates. Backspace (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that you're adding a parameter which don't exist. - Denimadept (talk) 22:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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Nice work on all the island coords... didn't know you could set that.

Wondering, is there a standard established for the 1:500000 ratio? It seems to me that 1:50000000 would be more appropriate with regard to neighboring islands. At least in Hawaii. 1:5M vs 1:500K --Travis Thurston+ 02:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Aloha. You said 50,000,000 and I think you meant 5,000,000 (as in your example). I don't think that there is a standard. For groups of islands it's always a compromise between showing too small a scale and showing too large a scale. For Oahu in particular, a scale of 500,000 shows the island itself quite nicely, but doesn't show much of its relationship to the other islands, since they are all so far away. However, a scale of 5,000,000 (even 2,500,000) shows off the relationship between the various islands, but doesn't show much about Oahu itself. In general, however, on maps, I never like to "drill down" so much that you don't see the relationship of a place to other places around it. Backspace (talk) 03:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Got it. Happened to notice after I messaged you that the scale changes depending on what service you use... of course Google and Bing keep it accurate. Thanks! --Travis Thurston+ 04:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

The {{coord}} parameter scale:xxx is considered inferior to the dim:yyy parameter, which gives the size of the object by its largest dimension measured in metres. See User:EncMstr/Coord for a full explanation.

Also, your recent edit removed the GNIS ID from the source, added overprecision to the coordinate, removed the dim parameter, and added a scale: parameter, so I reverted it since it was better before. —EncMstr (talk) 23:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I can accept your explanation for the reversal of my edit for the most part. I am not sure about the overprecision part, which is subjective, but is no more than that supplied by GNIS itself. I am not familiar with the dimension parameter. I do most of my scale parameters based upon a subject's relative dimensions to other geographical objects. I generally have no idea how many miles or kilometers across something is, only how large it is relative to other places or how much of the map it takes up. My recent activity has come about (as you may have noticed if you are the person or persons who review my work) because I have noticed that many map links seem to be "drilled down" (to use the colloquial expression) to such a point where one is looking at the middle drop of water in the center of the sea, with nothing but water all around. I want to see maps where a place can be related to other places around it, not this kind of stuff.

On other matters, since I respect your opinion on such things, what is the best way to display places near the north and south polar regions? I have found that most of the Mercator projection maps in general use are greatly distorted, requiring huge scale values to display them. Will the dimension parameter work better in these cases? How do you display a good map of Antarctica, for example? Backspace (talk) 05:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Overprecision is explained here. Giving a location with precision of one second of arc (at Oregon latitudes) is 22 metres (72 ft) of precision, which suggests the city size is on the order of 250 metres (820 ft).

Your point about GNIS sourcing is a good one: We've seen enough problems with the GNIS database to not take it as gospel. Some WP:ORE members have successfully submitted corrections for GNIS entries (example). GNIS's extreme overprecision can be addressed by using decimal coordinates instead of the archaic DMS notation. GNIS decimal coordinates have seven decimal digits, probably for data processing reasons. This corresponds to a precision of 7.87 millimetres (0.310 in)! However, this is easily fixed, and address original research concerns by rounding the decimal values to fewer digits.

The first link I gave before describes dim:. There are several ways to measure a feature's size, such as using a calibrated measure on your screen and relating that to the map scale—even counting finger widths is better than nothing. Or you can use one of the mapping tools linear measure functions. For example, Google Maps has a Google Maps Labs feature named Distance Measurement Tool. When enabled, it adds a small icon at the lower left of the map display which, when clicked on, prompts for "from" and "to" locations.

When mapping an object, there are two basic goals: to see the object (like with a satellite view), or to see where the object is relative to well known landmarks. The map scale for each use is different, and I am not aware of any standard for which should be chosen for use with the scale: parameter. The dim: parameter will do something standard, so leaving the decision to it helps avoid making difficult decisions and is consistent across articles. Either way the map comes up, you can always zoom to the desired scale.

Polar region imagery sucks—so far. Even when using Google Earth, it is frustrating trying to see the research station at the South Pole since its constituent images suffer from apparent Mercator projection stitching. Since this is well discussed, hopefully, it will be resolved in the near future. —EncMstr (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I am aware that errors exist on these databases. One recent example comes from my attempt to find coordinates for the Ariake Sea in Japan, which currently has missing coordinates. My attempt resulted in an immediate self-reversal when I found out that the Geonet Names Server's coordinates were identical to (and in fact were) the coordinates for Shibushi Bay, a different body of water in Japan, for which we currently have no article, as far as I know.

Until fairly recently, as I recall, MSN Maps had some pretty good maps which were based on a conical projection. They could display any place in the world without significant distortion unless it was a huge territory such as a continent of ocean or Russia. The projection would use the given geocoordinates as the focal point of the projection, so that any place on Earth of the same magnitude would result in a map of equal distortion characteristics, which to me seemed quite good. The maps were nicely drawn but were unfortunately available only in scales at certain ratchet-points without any intervening scales. I don't know when it happened, but MSN Maps has now become Bing Maps, which also uses the Mercator projection like just about everybody else, it seems. Backspace (talk) 07:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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I have actually only done one revert (definied as an undo). Most of your so-called "reverts" have not been reverts at all, but have changed or added or deleted content. I shall wait at least 24 hours before I do anything more. Thanks for the warning. Backspace (talk) 23:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Your gaming of edit warring via minor text changes will not survive a report to WP:3rrn, which is what will happen if you revert again. Hipocrite (talk) 23:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like a threat to me. I have over 30,000 edits here at Wikipedia and this is the first time I have been threatened. Will the person who reverts my edits also be threatened? After all, it takes two to tango. Backspace (talk) 23:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, long time no see :) Regarding your question, I assume this is the kind of edit you have in mind? Just so you know, moving the coordinates out of the infobox into a {{coord}} template is completely unnecessary. The infobox code itself can easily be tweaked to change the default scale (which will automatically change it in all articles which utilize that infobox). 1:100,000 is only used because that's the scale other similar infoboxes used at the time this infobox was designed. If you think 1:500,000 is better, I have no objections. However, I would appreciate it if you moved the coordinates back to the infobox after this change has been implemented. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions, of course. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 10, 2012; 17:56 (UTC)

OK, it looks that I remembered incorrectly. The infobox template does not hardcode the scale, but it does specify region:RU_type:adm2nd, which is 1:300,000 by default. If you think that's still too detailed, you should probably bring it up on the {{coord}}'s talk page. The template simply uses the definition which, I assume, was agreed upon elsewhere. There most certainly is no need to override this manually in hundreds of articles. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 10, 2012; 20:09 (UTC)

Yes, I understand what you mean. However, you are also right that there is no "typical" size for a district in Russia, so I think it's impossible to pick just one scale that would accommodate them all (although adm2nd already covers most of them). On the other hand, I don't really see it as much of a problem. When I need to look at one of those maps, for example, it's usually because I'm trying to pinpoint a certain place within the district (so I'll have to zoom in anyway) or to see how a district is located compared to other districts (so I'll have to zoom out). The scale of 1:300,000 is usually a good enough starting point, even if on some occasions it's an overkill or an underkill. And of course, district borders not showing on a map doesn't do much for usability regardless of the scale :)

It is actually not that difficult to add something like a "coord_scale" parameter to the infobox template (to be used for unusually large or unusually small districts), but, frankly, I just don't see it as an improvement worth making. Every district would eventually have an svg map roughly corresponding to the area you are trying to replicate in external map services, so if the external map is off by one or two zoom levels, is it really that big of a deal?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 11, 2012; 13:22 (UTC)

Ah, you are quite right about that one. I've self-reverted. This district, however, is an abnormally large entity, and there aren't many more like it. Overall, I stand by my opinion that this is too isolated a problem to bother fixing (and I can't really think of a solution that's not too cumbersome :)). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 11, 2012; 20:35 (UTC)

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I do not see a link to any disambiguation page, only to Centerville, Washington County, Pennsylvania. Backspace (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

On second thought, I did see it, in the infobox section. It has been fixed to match the link in the text. Backspace (talk) 03:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Would you like a real challenge? The List of islands of Maine page features over 3,000 islands, many duplicating names, some which do not fall within any particular town or county (like plantations)--and it would be a great service to start adding GPS coordinates.ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 13:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar and your attention. I have looked at those islands with separate articles, but I am not likely to do a large database of islands, most of which have no separate article, and thus, seemingly, generate little interest. Backspace (talk) 22:00, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

To answer your question. Yes. Putting something (anything) on your user page will make your name blue in edit histories. Hope that helps. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

To be RED is a personal choice. There are a number of users who have chosen to do that. From the other end of the telescope, you may confuse some other editors as to who you are and what you are about. I think that some editors may be sceptical about edits from red accounts with which they are unfamiliar. Personally, I think some transparency is helpful. When reviewing an edit, I find it is useful to have some inkling who the editor is; but it all depends ultimately on the value of the edit. But that's just me. But again, there is no rule, and you get to do what you want. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:43, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Service awards If you change your mind and decide to add something, this might be a good place to start. Based on your longevity and edits, you are a Senior Editor II (or Most Pluperfect Labutnum). 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for specifying my current ranking, aber leider spreche ich kein Lateinisch. Is that anywhere close to an MBE? Backspace (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Leider spreche ich Deutsch nicht, aber hoffentlich will ich eines Tages erfahren. In wiki, this might even be better than an MBE. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hi-you may want to read the Political subdivisions of Wisconsin article. Also in Wisconsin Wisconsin towns are refer to as towns not townships unlike other states.Thanks-RFD (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I have read it. The one relative sentence for my argument is in the Town section, which states: "All areas in the state that have not been incorporated as cities or villages are parts of towns." This statement specifically excludes incorporated cities and villages from being "located in" towns. Backspace (talk) 19:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I saw your recent edits on Campgaw Mountain Reservation removing Franklin Lakes as a town which the park is located within. The Reservation, however, does extend into Franklin Lakes, even though Google Maps/Acme Mapper do not show it. I posted the details on the article's talk page, but basically part of the area at the end of Shadow Ridge Road in Franklin Lakes is reservation land.

Lithium6ion (talk) 15:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

If that is the case, then I stand corrected. I was just going by those two maps mentioned. Perhaps DeLorme's New Jersey map may have been a better source, but I do not have that one available to me at this moment. It's too bad that Bergen County saw fit to remove their maps from their website. Backspace (talk) 17:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Backspace, I have a couple Manitoba and Saskatchewan communities on my watchlist. You've added some new content to them, which I believe are factual, but every addition I've seen has been unreferenced. Would you please start including the associated references as inline citations? I reverted your addition to Britannia No. 502, Saskatchewan‎ for two reasons – it was unsourced (per edit summary) and it was redundant with sourced content in the two lead paragraphs. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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You added a population of 1467 from the 2000 census for Terminal Island . Can you provide a source for this claim? Census tract 2961 which seems to be the closest thing to a tract covering Terminal Island had a population of 1434 in the 2000 census . I don't know that much about the area but 2971.20 has a very high population so you can't add it to 2961 to get 1467. If you are adding 5756, the population of 46 gives 1480 total. Also 5756 is part of a different CCD although I appreciate CCDs may not necessarily correlate with local norms. It doesn't make much sense IMO to include the areas above given that they don't seem to be part of the island, but in any case I'm pretty sure they have very high populations. Is the definition of Terminal Island coming from somewhere like the government of California or of Los Angeles and then this definition then being used to get the data for census block groups or census blocks which cover the area from at least 2, at least one of which is only in part, census tracts and come up with a figure? This seems a quite involved process and would need a good source. One possibility is the census themselves have a definition of Terminal Island, but if they do I can't work out how to get it. I've looked at the block data both and and likewise don't see any signs of any census definition of Terminal Island. Nil Einne (talk) 11:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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