User talk:Jonkerz

Our masterpiece is almost ready to be published live, all we have to do is to see if anymore refs have been duplicated, expand the lede, give a small summary of the Myrmicines (pretty much use the info from the subfamilies list) and do some minor fixes. For the lede specifically I'm not sure what we can add. Any ideas?. I have also added all available images so we most likely won't find anymore until new ones are released. Burklemore1 (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Great work on finding more images. The lead should read something like the intro to the subfamily list. I'm currently manually cleaning up the refs, which sucks because I just realized that I didn't group any refs -- it's easy to check when generating the list if the ref has already been used, matching already existing refs with new ones is trickier. jonkerz ♠talk 02:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. Wheeler 1915 and Carpenter 1930 may have more images available, so I could do some more checks with the older fossils. I'm thinking about stating how many genera and species, both living and fossil, have been described and stuff, I'm sure that would be useful. Before/after we finally publish this live, we gotta do a few more things: Rename the List of ant genera (alphabetical) to simply "List of ant genera", merge the incertae sedis since it will be discussed there and update the template Template:Formicidae_subfamilies. I can rename the article now if you want. Burklemore1 (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Go ahead with the renaming and all other things you can come up with. Adding species counts is something I can do pretty easily (example). All data is from 11 November 2015, but I've asked for new database dump. jonkerz ♠talk 03:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Oops, was suppose to do what I said above but I got distracted. I'll make further progress once I return, a colossal project such as this is worth the time and effort anyway. Do you intend on updating the template yourself? You'd definitely be more familiar with it. Burklemore1 (talk) 08:18, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: I can update the template; I had something like this in mind. Improvements/suggestions welcomed. jonkerz ♠talk 09:54, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty happy with the templates (I'm happy with either one). If we were to change to Formicidae taxonomy, I'd see no ways to improve the template when it's fine enough. If we decide to use the current template, of course we'd have to update the genera section. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way I have now renamed the list! Burklemore1 (talk) 05:25, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Incertae sedis list has now been redirected to the main one, and it seems I reached 10,000 edits not long ago. I finally don't feel new anymore! ;) Burklemore1 (talk) 06:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Great, I'll update the template! And congratulations on becoming a member of the Wikipedia Cabal! :)

Re referencing species counts and the current validity of the genera: this is what I meant with "timestamped citation templates". I have not received the latest database dump yet, but I can generate more subfamily lists containing all valid names and species counts as of 5 November 2015, which we would have to manually compare with the main list (alt #1). Or we can postpone it, aka procrastinate it, until I've got around to write a script that parses the list and compares it with the latest dump (alt #2). jonkerz ♠talk 07:13, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Excellent. In regards to what you have just said, we should just do whatever will be easier and less time-consuming. Which alternative would you think will be more time-consuming and difficult? I reckon the script could work in our favour if you cannot be bothered to manually compare it. Burklemore1 (talk) 07:25, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: "Stupid and slow" methods tend to get things done faster than something "smart and fast", but I'm in the mood of trying to make this the "smart" way so it may take a little bit longer, but probably not that much longer than manually comparing the list. In the future we absolutely need to be able to update all lists (including species lists and taxoboxes in other articles) at least semi-automatically. I'll start experimenting with some code today. jonkerz ♠talk 07:36, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

By the time we finished adding all the genera to the list, some of them needed updating! It was only a few months too, so you're definitely correct. Good luck with the coding, I'm not a very tech savvy person so I'm pretty useless in that field. ;) On another note, I see you have down some updates to the Formicidae subfamilies template, are we able to strike that off our to-do list or are you still experimenting with it? Burklemore1 (talk) 07:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Mark completed todo items as finished Y Done! jonkerz ♠talk 07:50, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Awesome, I'll go ahead and check on the type species names while you're doing your magical code stuff. I'm sure one of the tasks is to incorporate all the original type species names rather than those (if applied to) currently used, correct? I'll recheck again if there are anymore duplicated refs too, just to be safe. Burklemore1 (talk) 08:18, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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@Burklemore1: Excellent, and yes, checking type species is on the menu. I've struck a todo item that was not in the list, and added four new -- it's good that we're keeping completed items in the list, otherwise it would feel like we didn't get anywhere :) jonkerz ♠talk 12:55, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Looks great, though I'll try and see what we can do with the collective group names. We could create a new section solely for CGN's and alter the wikitable (i.e. say which subfamily they belong to, or do they have any names available? If so, are they CGN's or valid sepcies). Or we could just keep them in their respective subfamilies, all separated while we leave a lot of notes saying these species are considered collective group names themselves or "material was absorbed into Eofromica, but it is still valid?" I'm not too sure if I was right there, but it seems to be a CGN according to AntWeb still. Burklemore1 (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, what is the situation with Armaniella? It's listed as a valid genus but its only known species is in another one? I'm not sure what to do with this one. Burklemore1 (talk) 04:23, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: I think we have to wait for AntCat to resolve the situation with Armaniella and CGNs. I ran a query for finding all valid genera without valid species, and there are two other taxa with the same problem: Forelophilus and Condylodon (and Armaniella). I'll make the team aware of these issues, but it may take a while for them to update the catalog because two of the most active AC editors (which are the ones I have contact with) are in Mozambique doing ant science stuff. jonkerz ♠talk 09:46, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Looking at antweb the most recent treatments of Armaniella (Dlussky 1999, Bolton, 2003) have considered it a jr synonym of Amania, I'm not sure why Antcat and ant web both have Armaniella still listed as valid. (Im still not comfortable with the listing of Amaniidae as a formicid subfamily either to be honest.--Kevmin § 10:30, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kevmin: Re Armaniella: they probably just forgot to update the genus after changing the status of Armaniella curiosa to a synonym. It's not included in List of ant genera. Re the status of Amaniidae: agree; I thought this would have changed by now. I've focused mostly on extant taxa, but whenever I've ventured into the land of fossil ants I've noticed that AC's catalog is not as good as it could be. Possibly because the team has no editor specialized in fossil taxa (at least I think that is the case). jonkerz ♠talk 11:00, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Thats probably what happened, I tend to go more from the actual papers then either Antcat or antweb, simply because those are both volunteer based endeavors and there are very few paleomyrmecologists that actively participate in either. The treatment of Armaniidae is very uncertain, with Dlussky (the only author to have directly worked with the fossils consistently maintaining that they are most likely separate. The most recent two papers mentioning the family notably Ants and the Fossil Record keep the group as a family.--Kevmin § 12:35, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

The reference that you are seeking may be found here, circulationsys♠talk https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301215826_Prijegled_osnovnih_taksonomskih_podataka_o_evoluciji_covjeka_Homo_sapiens_Linnaeus_1758_Chordata_Mammalia_Primates_Hominidae — Preceding unsigned comment added by Circulationsys (talk • contribs) 16:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Replied at User_talk:Circulationsys#Homo_tsaichangensis_Reference. jonkerz ♠talk 12:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

In 2013 I added a lot of open access content from various journals, and naively believed that attributing it via inline references in combination with the article history or talk page would suffice. That was (obviously) not the case, so I had to add all those really long attribution templates saying "This article incorporates text from a scholarly publication published under ..." Since then I've reverted many of these edits in articles where there was too little content to warrant a long attribution template, just to get rid of the template, and only added new OA content from journal articles with a reasonable amount of content that's reusable on WP (and to articles already "tainted" with this template). There are still a bunch of these out there, and if you ever see {{OA-attribution}} in the wild and believe the article would be better without the OA content, feel free to boldly remove it (linking this talk page thread should suffice for an edit summary) or let me know so I can do it.

Ping: @Burklemore1 and Kevmin:

TL;TR: OA is great, but long attribution templates are not; feel free to remove any OA content I've added (in particular very short snippets) if you believe it improves the 'Pedia. jonkerz ♠talk 09:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Got it, I usually just rewrite information from articles in my own prose anyway.--Kevmin § 15:34, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll snoop around whenever I can, I haven't really seen it much tbh. Burklemore1 (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

OoO I complety forgot about this. I stumbled upon an image of the sculpture found in Poochera and I added it in, but completely forgot I wanted to nominate it (mainly because it will be 60 years since Clark died). Do you have any initial comments on the article, and think it could be ready? Burklemore1 (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Cool sculpture, it looks very dangerous :) The article is ready for FAC, in fact I could only find a few minor issues related to WP:REPEATLINK. However, I'd probably reverse this sentence from the lead: "A member of the subfamily Myrmeciinae, two workers were presumably collected in 1931 near the Russell Range from Israelite Bay in Western Australia, first described by Australian entomologist John S. Clark in 1934." to read "A member of the subfamily Myrmeciinae, the ants were first described by Australian entomologist John S. Clark in 1934 from two workers presumably collected in 1931 near the Russell Range from Israelite Bay in Western Australia.", or replace the comma after "Western Australia" with an "and". jonkerz ♠talk 12:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I have incorporated it in. :) Sorry for the late response, been super busy with other articles and such. I will do a few more fixes and tweaks on the article and nominate it afterwards. If there are a few instances of repeated links, feel free to leave them in the FAC. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

It's happening! I have done additional improvements to the article and now it is an FA candidate. Feel free to post any comments there. Burklemore1 (talk) 10:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Tentative support - no real issues, will spot-check more references later. I'll be back, got to run! jonkerz ♠talk 15:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the support! Take all the time you need with this one. Burklemore1 (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way... I don't mean to briefly change subjects, but are antbase.org pdf links working for you? I always get connection time outs. Burklemore1 (talk) 16:08, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: Not working, neither is the antbase.org root page. I've never really used AB, and their servers being down all the time doesn't make that easier. jonkerz ♠talk 23:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Well I hope they can fix the problems, a large number of sources I have cited have antbase links. Burklemore1 (talk) 04:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

ants, ants and ants!

Thank you for your stunning contributions to Wikipedia's coverage on ants. This may have come late, but has only become better deserved, for you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Thanks a lot Sainsf! I appreciate your kind words and the pretty sapphire (it looks expensive). jonkerz ♠talk 15:56, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

That sapphire is nothing before your priceless contributions. Keep going! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 03:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Four years ago, you were recipient no. 1366 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you read WP:FNNR and WP:CITEVAR ? Wayne Jayes (talk) 05:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply (haven't edited in weeks) and thanks for your message, Waynejayes. I'm familiar with both guidelines but believe there's a difference between renaming "Notes and references" to "References" when the section contains no 'note-notes' at all, and between renaming "Notes" to "References" or vice vice for no good reason. I've a draft of a much longer message that I intend to post somewhere more central once I return to editing. Either way I'm not doing this type of edits at the moment. jonkerz ♠talk 05:40, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, I have a way to kick-start 2017 for the ants. I plan to nominate the "list of ant genera" list for featured list status because why not? If I do, what should we do to improve it beforehand? I intend on expanding the lede, but I'm not sure if anything needs updating. I think you carried those tasks last month. ;) (FYI, you are more than welcome to place yourself as co-nominator). Burklemore1 (talk) 07:22, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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