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• Thanks, Whale!! NearTheZoo (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Inspirational fiction

I have trouble with articles that are too essay like, but i think you are covering a lot of important points here. i will take a look at it again, in time. im not up to thoroughly reviewing it now, but thanks for the notice. I wonder if michael murphy's "golf in the kingdom" would fit here, as we have the section "visionary fiction". Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you also had a question about removing comments. my understanding is that talk page content, unless absolutely unrelated to the article in question (and thus removed), can be edited by the ORIGINAL writer by using this is now removed from this comment but people can still read it. see, that allows changes in thought without the appearance of trying to delete ones "mistakes" and clean up ones image. since the history will show all changes anyway, this is more transparent. does that help?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

were you able to find this summary of the debate and the decision? here it is:

The result of the discussion was: delete.

Considering this discussion in light of the top-level guideline concerning categories and categorization, which contains guidance to avoid categories "based on incidental or subjective features", the arguments for deletion have a better grounding in codified consensus.

That there seems to be no objective definition, which can be applied consistently and systematically across different articles, for what constitutes "inspirational fiction" was noted/acknowledged on several occasions, both by those who support the category's deletion and those who oppose it. Although allowing editors to place articles about books into this category based on their personal opinions (i.e., based on whether they feel the work is inspirational or intended to be inspirational) is certainly a tolerant and conflict-free approach, it does conflict with one of Wikipedia's core principles—namely, that "Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought" (at least not in content pages, such as articles and the categories in which they are placed) and decisions concerning content should reflect information available in published reliable sources.

On a personal note, I would like to suggest exploring the possibility of including the information in the article Inspirational fiction itself. If a reliable source (see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources) identifies a particular book as an example of "inspirational fiction", then the fact of that evaluation could be noted in the article—though it should probably be presented as the opinion/evaluation of the source or its author, rather than as a simple fact (for details, see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#A simple formulation: "Assert facts, including facts about opinions—but do not assert the opinions themselves."). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I see this as a positive comment. any sourced material you or anyone can find about the way the world defines this subject can be added to the article on the subject. the decision this person made is their summary of the points raised in the debate, supplemented by their understanding of WP guidelines. i think they are correct: categories have to be extremely objective as well as NPOV, while articles can have lots of subjective material, as long as its sourced and is stated to be subjective. i know that objective fades into subjective, anything less concrete than mathematics has its debates. but this is it. thats the debate. no other business was conducted, say a conference of admins or something. its all here. i will check out the article periodically. i think any new book categories are going to be a huge uphill battle.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks! For some reason, I couldn't find that summary. It makes sense, plus I see now that the final decision to delete does take into account all the comments in the discussion! I'm still learning. Many thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 13:03, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Your user name

Hi again. I just wanted to suggest that you write something — anything — on your user page, so your name will show up with a blue link. It gives you more credence in the eyes of other editors. All the best, Yoninah (talk) 16:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Yoninah -- I'll do that right away! And, again, I appreciate your helping me! NearTheZoo (talk) 20:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, you're in Washington? Based on our similarly-timed give-and-take, I thought you might be here in Jerusalem, near the Biblical Zoo! :) If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask! All the best, Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again, Yoninah! (I just thanked you on the Omer page, too -- but it never hurts to give extra thanks!). I wish I were nearer the Jerusalem Zoo, which I happen to like a lot! Of course, when I tell people I'm in DC and I'm near the zoo, they think I mean Congress or the Pentagon. So I guess I could say I'm "NearTheZoos." Anyway, I have a feeling we'll be discussing other Jewish pages. Hope so! And -- I will turn you you if I need help! It will be good to have a Wiki friend! Best wishes - NearTheZoo (talk) 21:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Sandy Koufax photo

Good photo, but one related to something in the text would be better. WCCasey (talk) 05:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll add a note in the text about the way he was singled out at the reception as a hero for many American Jews! NearTheZoo (talk) 13:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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I think you mean to leave that note for an IP. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_S._Wood&action=historysubmit&diff=406108527&oldid=398946381 this is the edit in question. regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC).

Oops! Thanks for alerting me. Just left the same note to the IP address user. Thanks again! NearTheZoo (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem. The IP also inserted the "Peacock" tag. Rich Farmbrough, 00:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC).

The Honorable

The title sounds a little odd on a labor leader, but as far as I know, he's entitled to it.--CMG (talk) 22:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I see it's on the wikipedia page for his predecessor. I always thought that anyone with Senate confirmation gets the "Honorable" title, but didn't know if the recess appointment changed that situation.. Thanks again! NearTheZoo (talk) 23:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

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Category:United States Navy Chaplains

I've deleted it for you, you can try again. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

JohnCD - Thanks!!!!! :) NearTheZoo (talk) 16:05, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks!! I was the author - and only accidentally created the page, so I'll tag it as you explain. Many thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 03:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Oops - see that you both explained the system to me AND you deleted the page for me. Thanks again!! NearTheZoo (talk) 03:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

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Dear Sreejithk2000: I need your help! I received a msg from you regarding the image Seymour_Simckes.jpg on wikimedia commons, telling me it is OTRS approved. (You did ask if I could get an image that is higher resolution, and I will try -- but the image there is approved.) However, an image of the same name (two immages, I think) -- Seymour_Simckes.jpg -- was uploaded to the English version of wikipedia, and this one is not approved. I would like to delete the wikipedia/English images, and use the approved wikimedia commons image for the article, Lazarre Seymour Simckes. Since the files have the same name, I don't know how to change the image being used in the article. Could you help? Thanks!!!! NearTheZoo (talk) 11:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading File:Seymour Simckes.jpg. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information or which could be adequately covered with text alone. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:

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Thanks, VernonWhitney! I have been trying to change this image and permission and have alerted permissions-wikimedia.org of the following:

1 - I originally uploaded it until fair use onto wikipedia (English) 2 - I was able to track down the subject and copy holder, Seymour Simckes 3 - At that point, I uploaded it from wikipedia to wikimedia-commons, with a note that OTRS permission was on the way 4 - Then, I gave Seymour Simckes the exact wording of the email to send to permissions-wikimedia, including the correct license. 5 - Seymour Simckes did send that email, and sent me a copy.

My hope is that all of this effort will prove successful, and the OTRS people will change the image to show that it is OTRS verified and approved! I hope that happens soon! Many thanks - NearTheZoo (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this page isn't transcluding the description from commons correctly, but a missing file shouldn't have a talk page and I deleted it. With the OTRS ticket on commons you shouldn't have to worry about the file being deleted from there. --Selket ^Talk 01:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks!! NearTheZoo (talk) 03:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

In fact, it's showing up now. It was probably just a caching issue. --Selket ^Talk 10:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Just checked again, thanks to your message, and I'm very happy you're right! I apologize for the trouble - and thank you very much! Have a great day! NearTheZoo (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

PS: Mystery solved! At the same time I put this help-me note up, I put a note at wikimedia commons on the approved photo, and just saw that someone working on permissions there went ahead and deleted this old image, which solved the problem. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Seymour_Simckes.jpg&action=submit I am happy that this problem is resolved, and I am grateful to both wikipedia and wikimedia! NearTheZoo (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It was actually a software bug on Commons - Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Commons_image_details_not_transcluded_to_Wikipedia.3F  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It sometimes "takes a village" to get these things fixed, and I'm grateful to the village!  :) NearTheZoo (talk) 22:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Harry Halpern

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DYK for Wilson's Arch (Jerusalem)

FYI -- I've taken the liberty of noming Wilson's Arch at DYK. If you have a preferred hook or image, feel free to suggest them.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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Daniel Coughlin

Please consider nominating Daniel Coughlin at WP:GAN.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:47, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, TTT! I've never done that before, but I'll look into it now, thanks to your suggestion and the link you provided! NearTheZoo (talk) 20:04, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I almost always avoid reviewing articles that fall under WP:CHICAGO. Unlike many projects that classify as special interests, it does not usually cause an article to be lacking of expert consideration. It avoids WP:COI of me reviewing what is in my domain. It is becoming more common for projects to share assessment responsibilities and it would not be unfair to assign B to other projects. You might want to give the biography group a chance to tag your article since they often add relevant of subprojects to an article if their parameter is blank.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for this response! I keep trying to learn more about wikipedia, and I appreciate it when another editor helps teach me. Best wishes and thanks - NearTheZoo (talk) 23:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Coughlin

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DYK for Jack Moline

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DYK nomination of United States military chaplain symbols

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Thanks, Yoninah! Answered you on the nomination page. Nice to hear from you again! (The last time you thought my name might come from living near Jeruslam's Biblical Zoo, but I said it was the Washington, D.C. zoo.) Best wishes! NearTheZoo (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

thanks for joining Wikipedia

Hi, NearTheZoo. I just read your reply on my talk page. You're welcome. Wow, contacting the Army Chaplain Museum director -- you are clearly a "do-er" -- way to go! When I put my "new message" note on your talk page earlier, I read some of the discussions between you and other editors. It reminded me of some of the discussions I had, in 2009, when I was a "newbie". The other editors' comments to you (at least the ones that I happened to read) seemed very cordial, which should apply to all such exchanges on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, every human being has a different personality, temperament, etc. If you receive any unfriendly comments, please try not to let them discourage you. Sometimes, the editor doesn't mean it personally, but instead perhaps has a "different" writing/commenting style that comes off as brusque, etc. Even if an editor does seem to be using intentionally confrontational words, I hope you will try to avoid responding in kind. Sometimes, it is better to not respond at all. As you know, we can't change other people. The important thing is that Wikipedia needs all the editors it can get. Thank you for joining this wonderful world of Wikipedia. I'm glad I joined. Eagle4000 (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for United States military chaplain symbols

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Talkback

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Smithsonian Archives of American Art Backstage Pass

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GAC

We aren't you responding to concerns at Talk:Daniel Coughlin/GA1 and Talk:Jack Moline/GA1. I see no responses by you on either nomination.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC) TonyTheTiger, thanks for the "nudge." I will respond to both that I'm just too busy right now to think about making changes to those pages, and would be willing to retract my Good Article nominations for now if that would help. I am putting in an amazing amount of time on the article "Religious symbolism in the United States military," and that's just about all I can afford to contribute to wikipedia right now. I definitely should have responded, though.... Thanks!NearTheZoo (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Religious symbolism in the United States military

I can see how much effort you have put in to this article. I would like to explain why I believe the extra flag is unnecessary. I spend most of my time on Wikipedia with images. It is one of the reasons I have also spent quite a bit of time with this article. I understand that you are trying to show the various changes to the symbols used, however, it is very clear to anyone who looks at this article that the insignia of the Jewish Chaplains was modified to include the use of Hebrew in 1980. There are many images showing this change. When looking at the flags of the four faith groups, along with the two additional images, the use of the old style Jewish flag throws of the symmetry. The last image in the gallery contains the old style flag, and I think, makes for a pleasing display. The extra image, in my opinion only, is superfluous. If you really want to leave that image in the gallery, I will make one that matches the others for continuity, but I do think it looks better without it. Let me know what you think, and I will go along with your choice. And I do like the article and found it very interesting.SGT141 (talk) 20:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for this msg -- for its civility and support. My fear is that taking this one out would raise the question of deleting other images, for example the Navy worship pennant with Roman numerals, which is also shown before the present pennant that displays Hebrew letters. So, although you are right in terms of the pennant with Roman numerals kind of disrupting the flow in this gallery, I think there is a consistency in terms of the other photo galleries throughout the article. I do take your point about the fact that the final image in this gallery does show the old flag...and that's why I'm a little conflicted.... So, although at this point I'll go with your decision, I guess my preference would be to keep the image but to take advantage of your expertise in terms of improving it! I'll watch to see what you do! Thanks very much for all your work-and, again, for your civility. As you and I discussed once before, not every editor "plays well with others." :) NearTheZoo (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Chaplain of the US Senate

Good Job on the article. I think it looks a lot better. I guess the question we need to ask now is do we want to get it to FL status or FA? FL is a bit easier and as its a list would IMO be appropriate. I think its close to GA now on the FA scale but its also fairly close to FL. --Kumioko (talk) 19:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Kumioko! It's funny, but I had no intention on working on this article -- but I saw that Patrick Conroy had been added as the latest Senate Chaplain, so I deleted him, since he's the new House Chaplain. Then I added a little more...and a little more...and a little more! :) I think of lists as articles that pretty much are *only* lists, like a list of 9/11 memorials, so I think of this now as more of an article. However, I'd bow to your judgment, and think it would be wonderful if this could be featured in any way. By the way, I'm searching for more photos for the table, and have added a few more today. Thanks again -- NearTheZoo (talk) 19:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Public Printers

Try this picture, it more closely resembles the others. File:Boarman sm.jpg --CMG (talk) 00:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I just substituted this one for the last. Feel free (of course) to tinker with the set-up if you want to integrate the photo more fully with the others. I just wanted to ensure we included this photo along with the others. Thanks again - NearTheZoo (talk) 00:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done I think this is what you have in mind. The original pictures came from Gpo's Portraits of past Public Printers webpage. That's why Boarman wasn't included. --CMG (talk) 13:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful! Many thanks! I did make one tiny change in terms of the caption, which was my mistake to begin with, since I captioned it "Bill Boarman" instead of "William J. Boarman," to match the more formal captions for the other photos. Thanks again! NearTheZoo (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

For finding the Brooklyn Eagle link. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:27, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Starz Shows

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Artworks commemorating African-Americans in Washington, D.C.‎

hi, love the work on the article. however a note of caution. for pictures of sculptures by living artists, you may have to use "fair use" such as here rather than government Public domain here ; . i.e. if the artist was not an employee of federal government then they retain copyright of statue including photos of statue. see Korean_War_Veterans_Memorial#United_States_postage_stamp_court_case. i expect a copyright images nazi will be along shortly to delete "non free" images from a gallery. see Wikipedia:Non-free#Non-free_image_use_in_galleries_or_tables. however, and article on the sculptures should be in order. Slowking4: 7@1|x 18:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Slowking4 - Thanks for the compliment on the work I did, and thanks also for the heads-up. For images that I thought clearly had copyright problems, I just included links under external links; and (as you noted) I wrote up non-free rationale notes for a couple others. But I thought that photos that were already up on govt sites would be public domain since an employee of the govt put them up. However, thanks to your heads-up, I'll monitor closely -- and if any are taken down, I can just add more external links to those govt pages. (If there is a problem just having an external link to another page, then I'm out of ideas!). Anyway, thank you again. It is nice to have the images available to readers of this article, I think.... NearTheZoo (talk) 18:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Joshua Goldberg

Good afternoon, where is the conversation for this proposed deletion? Second, apologies that it took this person so long to respond he was driving across the United States and could not respond properly on a hand-held and does not take laptops and i-pads on the road as a rule. It would seem rather strange to put up for routing to another Joshua Goldberg on the top of this article then to nominate it for deletion -it is as if you took a hit out on an article to be executed by yourself. if you did not have it in the crosshairs already this might be a surprise. Anyway the problem with the double attribution of Jonah Goldberg's elegies to his brother were posted by another more conservative contributor than I. However being that his family is who they are and were and his role in politics and information and opinion dissemination would prove a counter-weight to this nomination. i will put in other sources.Masterknighted (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Where is the deletion debate for this article? Second even though he was not victorious in the election he had a higher tally as republican for the seat than any candidate in years ---which is in itself notable in a heavily liberal democratic district of some fame. As well there is a new source listed form Commentary magazine. As well the readership level of the blogs he edited renders the subject notable. Masterknighted (talk) 21:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Masterknighted, please indent responses with a colon, plus other colons as the discussion continues. I just added one to your recent comment. Doing well in an election may be notable in a local sense -- but not in terms of meriting an encyclopedia article. But as I wrote, I started a discussion on the talk page of the article. Please put your comments there, and I will get an administrator with much more experience than you or me to weigh in. Thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 12:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussion now moving to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Goldberg.

Discussion now moved to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Goldberg (2nd nomination).

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DYK for Joshua L. Goldberg

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Kippah

Shalom Aleichem. Please do not make edits like you did at the article, claiming Samaritans are not Jews, unless you know your subject well. Here is all the reference you need for this detail. If you revert this edit again in a religiously biased way you will be in danger of possibly violating 3RR. Thank you. Djathinkimacowboy 23:35, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Kipa II

Frankly I think you and too many others are missing the point, which is simple: scholarly consensus in the real world is that Samaritans are Jews. Pure and simple. Wikipedia articles, I have noted, do not wish to reflect that. It is baffling to me. Checking on the article about Samaritans, I saw the same ignorant approach that they are "related" to the Jewish faith. That is a patent insult to the intelligence as well as to the Samaritans. I am not Samaritan, I simply think they deserve to be called what they are like everyone does. Djathinkimacowboy 04:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Yad Kennedy

Hi, I'll be happy to check it out. Just to note that it usually takes 3 weeks for the DYK reviewers to work their way down the list... Yoninah (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Didn't realize it normally took so long, since my past few nominations have moved much more quickly. (Guess I was lucky!). Now I'll know more about the timeline for the future!NearTheZoo (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

According to Rule H2, I'm not allowed to approve my own hook suggestion. So we'll have to wait a little longer for approval. (If you look at the current number of hooks on the nominations page, you'll see there's quite a backlog, so be patient). BTW, you might consider using these templates for your next references section. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Yoninah. Even though you're not allowed to approve your own hook suggestion, I can approve it. I thought I did that in a previous comment, but I added another one, just to make it absolutely clear. Shabbat Shalom and shana tova! NearTheZoo (talk) 11:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid you can't approve it because it's your nomination! Anyway, I just saw you posted a new article about the architect. I proposed a double hook under your Yad Kennedy nomination. Let's wait for another editor to weigh in on it. Best, Yoninah (talk) 14:33, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Yoninah, I think you have more experience on wikipedia than I do (!), but I think it's possible you're not right here. In the past, when I have nominated an article for DYK, a reviewer has suggested an alternative. Once I approved that alternate, the reviewer went ahead and approved the DYK. The rule says that the person suggesting a new hook cannot approve that new hook, but it doesn't exclude the person nominating the article from doing so! (The person nominating the article cannot, of course, approve the article for a DYK -- but he or she can, I think, approve an alternate hook.)
Anyway, yes, I often "go on a roll" when it comes to articles. If I do a wiki page about a film, I often end up doing one on the director if he or she is noteworthy. Here, when I contributed to the page on Yad Kennedy, I was surprised to find that the architect (a winner of the Israel Prize) did not have a page -- at least on the English wiki. I learned a lot creating that page. Best wishes again, for a Shabbat Shalom and a Shana Tova! NearTheZoo (talk) 14:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Yad Kennedy

Hello! Your submission of Yad Kennedy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization

My, what a remarkable talk page! I regret my coding skill is so basic.

If you take a gander at my contributions, you can see I an eccentric person who is unnaturally concerned with capitalization. The word marine is not capitalized as there is no real reason to capitalize it. It took me years to unlearn military usage. (Heck the US Air Force capitalizes Air Force when it refers to the USAF, but not when it applies to lesser air forces.)

All that being said, let me run off to the MoS to find the cite you asked for. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at the MoS page for []. It does not require a capital for marine, and so I draw the conclusion that a capital is not allowed. (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence of course, so to speak.) It really just falls to the fact that there is no obvious reason to capitalize the word. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 15:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again! I think I side with the Marines, whose perspective is that when applied to a member of the USMC, the word is not an occupation (like, say, architect), but instead a member of an organization (such as--as pointed out in the article I cited--Democrat or Republican). (Some Marines would say it is like American!)  :) I do know that the trend in English-language usage (or I should say, American English-language usage) is to capitalize it, as the article pointed out -- with the NYT "joining" the ranks of others like the Associated Press. It is a matter of pride with the Marines, I know.... What do you think? NearTheZoo (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Quick PS -- Here is a little more background on the NYT decision to change to capitalization of "Marine." They not only seek consistency with other manuals of style, but also with words like Democrat, Catholic, and Rotarian, where the individual is using a title that stems from the larger organization or entity. Basically, the same info quoted in the Marine Corps Times article, but with a little more detail. Best, NearTheZoo (talk) 16:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Please forgive me. I did not put this page on my watch list and so did not see that you replied. I have fixed that. In any case, whatever the MoS says is fine with me. You cannot (or at least I cannot) help but imagine the marines generated a plausible argument to support their own opinions. It took me years after I retired to learn to write again. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sabre Dance

Hi, I looked at the article and put my comments on the DYK talk page. I don't understand what you meant by the article being created on 5 October 2012 – it's still September now! :) When you see an article that was created a while ago, it means that the nominator is nominating it for a 5x expansion. In that case, you should not look at the byte counts in the history, but at the character count of the prose sections of the article. This character count does not include lists, block quotes, headers, images and captions, the "See also" section if any, the references section, Table of Contents, edit buttons and all superscript like [6] and [citation needed] tags. I copy and paste the prose into this tool, delete all the superscript, and then I get the character count. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Yoninah, I put a thank-you note on your user page before I saw this note. Now I went back and corrected the beginning date in my review (which was actually 2003!) -- but the main issue is that you clearly showed why the article does not qualify even under the expansion rule. I very much appreciate this note, which continues to tutor (and mentor) me! Best wishes for a Hag Sameach! NearTheZoo (talk) 21:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Yad Kennedy

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DYK for David Resnick

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DYK for Gilla Gerzon

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DYK for Fly (play)

On 2 October 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fly (play), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Fly, a 2009 play about the Tuskegee Airmen, uses a tap-dancing Griot figure to express emotions through sound and dance for characters who had to control their behavior and hide their emotions? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fly (play). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yad Kennedy

The article Yad Kennedy you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Yad Kennedy for comments about the article. Well done! Kürbis (✔) 09:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Redaction of talk pages

Unless you are deleting a personal attack, for example, a more normal way of redacting talk page comments is to strike through the section. Myself I do quite a bit more editing of talk page comments than is recommended, such as fixing spelling errors, and even adding a sentence, but I just wanted to point out the normal practice - see WP:REDACT. The normal practice it should be noted solves some problems but introduces the problem that struck through text is difficult to read, unless the whole paragraph is struck through and re-written as whole new paragraph. Apteva (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK

If you have a valid reason for nominating an article that was created or expanded more than 5 days ago, simply put a note to that effect on your nomination. E.g.:

• Comment: This article was nominated two days past the five-day requirement because I lost power due to Hurricane Sandy. Yoninah (talk) 23:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Yoninah!! I did that for my three most recent nominations -- and I hope an editor will accept this explanation. Again, many thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 23:07, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Herbert Tarr

Hello! Your submission of Herbert Tarr at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this note, Yoninah, and your willingness to review my DYK nomination. I couldn't find more info for the book article -- however,now I've found an old review in the NYT archives, and just paid $3.95 for it. (I have applied for a wikipedia HighBeam account, to save money, but so far it has not been granted.) I'm having some problems opening the article, which is: NYTimes Book Review, July 21, 1963, "Between the laughs, a sermon or two." With any luck, I'll get it opened and add some additional content. A double DYK would be great! Thanks again. NearTheZoo (talk) 19:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Please see new note on DYK talk page. And please look at this edit to get a feel for basic Wikipedia punctuation (e.g. period after the close-quote mark) and reference formatting. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Fumanekile Gqiba

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DYK for Herbert Tarr

On 10 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Herbert Tarr, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Rabbi Herbert Tarr, author of The Conversion of Chaplain Cohen, left the pulpit to write novels because he believed that "religion is basically out of touch with people"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Herbert Tarr. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

DYK for The Conversion of Chaplain Cohen

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DYK for Fumanekile Gqiba

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DYK for The Book of Lights

On 18 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Book of Lights, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Chaim Potok novel The Book of Lights is based on Potok's exposure to non-Jewish religions as a military chaplain in Korea and Japan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Book of Lights. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Evangelicals vs Evangelical Protestants

Hi NearTheZoo, on my talk page, you address Elizium23, saying "I'm glad I went to your talk page..." I think you're confusing him with me.

Anyway, I replied to you on my talk page, since you went back to it. My position is that both "Evangelical" and "Evangelical Protestant" are acceptable, but that "Evangelical Christian" is completely unacceptable. Before I said it's a way of snubbing Catholics and Orthodox, but maybe it's a way of snubbing mainline Protestants. Who knows. I don't recall seeing it used anywhere, in any case. – Herzen (talk) 04:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes - I was completely confused! :) I wrote on your page and then got an answer -- assumed it was you -- and went on from there. Again, I thank you! NearTheZoo (talk) 04:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

In your latest comment on my Talk page, you wrote that "Protestant" "was being used... more [as] a broad term for non-Catholics than a strict term linked to the Reformation". The only thing I can conclude from this is that some Catholics still have bad feelings about the Reformation.

In this matter, I am strictly a bystander: I was raised Easter Orthodox and am not a believer, as I mentioned. That said, as far as I can understand, "Protestant" has a very clear meaning—a Christian belonging to any sect that derives from the Reformation. Indeed, the Compact OED defines Protestant as "a member or follower of any of the Western Christian Churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church in accordance with the principles of the Reformation." – Herzen (talk) 05:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

LOL, you've got bigger worries than whether Evangelical Protestants can be called simply "Evangelicals". Somebody just changed "Roman Catholic" to "Catholic". – Herzen (talk) 05:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Holy See

Sorry about that. I thought for sure Holy See was still linked above, but I checked too quickly. I'm not sure about the way you want to include it, but I'll think about it. Good working with you!

I mostly try to stay out of squabbles and look for more hard info to add. Just conflict averse these days. It sucks a lot of energy sometimes. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 17:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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