Talk:Kitamura Sae
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 | Kitamura Sae is currently a Language and literature good article nominee. Nominated by Saimmx (talk) at 06:21, 22 September 2025 (UTC) This article is ready to be reviewed in accordance with the good article criteria. Any editor who has not nominated or contributed significantly to this article may review the article and decide if it should be listed as a good article. To start the review process, click start review and then save the page. See the instructions. |
 | Kitamura Sae (final version) received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which was archived on 15 August 2025. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. |
 | A fact from Kitamura Sae appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 June 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Did you know nomination
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 20:35, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- ... that Sae Kitamura has her university students contribute to the Japanese Wikipedia as part of their coursework?
- ALT1: ... that Sae Kitamura discovered old letters from the Third Folio in New Zealand? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20180124053900/https://www.ysf.or.jp/blog/article_detail.php?repoId=14 (この本にはもとの所有者のひ孫にあたる人物の手紙の複写がついており、「うちのひいおばあちゃんの大事な本が、図書館できちんと管理されていないかもしれない」というような文句が書かれています。こうした古い本や古い手紙の切れ端などからは、過去の人々の生き生きとした読書活動が垣間見えてきます。とくにこの本は18世紀にシェイクスピアを読んでいた女性について多くのことを教えてくれるものであり、私の博士論文の重要な一節になりました。)
- ALT2: ... that Sae Kitamura reads 260 books, goes to movie theatres 100 times, and sees stages 100 times each year? Source: https://dot.asahi.com/articles/-/128984 (＜一年に百本くらい映画を映画館で見て、かつ百本くらい舞台も劇場で見ます。その全部について簡単な批評を書いて自分のブログにアップ＞。さらに年間260冊くらい本を読むのだそう。)
- ALT3: ... that a book written by Sae Kitamura has been printed four times in four months? Source: https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGKKZO79216070U2A110C2MY5000/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: A long, long article for a certain Wikipedian in jawp. Interesting one after reading and translating.
Saimmx (talk) 18:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems:
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
| Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
In my opinion, ALT0 is not interesting enough because Wikipedia is used quite a bit in universities. The other hooks seem fine. Also citing four references in this part seems excessive "She had started a column on messy (later wezzy) since October 2015, (four references)...", redundant references should be removed to improve the layout, thanks. Sahaib (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Sahaib: Thanks for reviewing, I am currently improving citation layout. The original Japanese Wikipedia article that had been translated from had, originally, issues with excessive citations, so it is not an easy job. I will still do it because I am upset by the excessive citations as well.
- Anyway, the person's Wikipedian role is why I translate the article, so I am a bit surprised that Wikipedia is used in universities. Maybe it wasn't a thing in the 2010s? --Saimmx (talk) 04:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
GA review
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Sae Kitamura/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Saimmx (talk · contribs) 22:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: GoldRomean (talk · contribs) 02:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Hi, interesting article, but unfortunately I’m likely going to have to quick fail this for grammar problems. More detailed reasoning to follow. GoldRomean (talk) 02:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Failing - the article's prose has too many issues (ex. She studied Antony and Cleopatra and befriend with Noritaka Moriyama during the time.
). I highly reccomend requesting a copyedit from the Guild of Copy Editors before resubmitting. Let me know if you have any questions. Best, GoldRomean (talk) 03:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Peer review
Sae Kitamura
 | This peer review discussion is closed. |
I've listed this article for peer review because I want a review of copyediting or grammar issues, which was the main reason for the first GAN's quick fail. Previously, I have requested a copyedit, and it was partially done. But, since English is not my native language, I would like to submit a peer review before submitting another GAN.
Thanks, Saimmx (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
History6042
- There are a few more issues too. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:05, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am trying to familiarise myself with the notability of an independence list, which looks more lenient than the Chinese one, so it takes time to split her work.
- And, I would like to ask why podcasts done by TBS Radio in the article are still unreliable? I know the WP:SPS guide said podcasts are unreliable because it is close to self-publish, but the podcast in the article is done by TBS Radio, a mass media group in Japan. Do they still unreliable? Is Today in Focus by The Guardian are unreliable here as well? Saimmx (talk) 10:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- I apologise for the podcast point I did not realise that TBS was a major company. I retract the podcast statement. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Update: I have done most of them, but still some tricky tasks:
- Japanese translation: I tried my best to do it, but most of works were only published in Japan.
- Too many references: Its original entry has, actually, over a hundred of citations. Even though I have kill one in third, looks like it is still not enough.
- Saimmx (talk) 19:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- All Japanese text should use a template.
- All Japanese text should have a translation in said template.
- There are many harv warnings and errors that need to be fixed, I would suggest installing User talk:Trappist the monk's tool to find these.
- There are far too many references for the text.
- Most of the page should be split of into a different called, List of works by Sae Kitamura or something similar.
- Podcasts are not reliable sources and should be removed.
Copyedit section
- "British literature and literary critic" -> "British literature and a literary critic"
- "Lecturer and Associate Professor" -> "lecturer and associate professor"
- "and published in The Hokkaido Shimbun Press" -> "and was published in The Hokkaido Shimbun Press"
- "was ranked 18th in the" -> "was ranked 18th in"
- "As Wikipedian" -> "As a Wikipedian"
- "2016 conference of the The History of Science Society of Japan" -> "2016 conference of the History of Science Society of Japan"
Personal life section
This section isn't really about her personal life from the sentence beginning She emphasises (see MOS:SAID). The block quote is about her work on Shakespeare, not her personal life. (I also don't think that quote adds anything to the article; it's a circular observation that classics have stood the test of time.) The rest of the section is about her research, which is not her personal life. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- The original section in the Japanese entry is called "人物", which means "person", "character". I think I will try either rename the section, or put it into the biography section. Saimmx (talk) 05:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
Requested move 9 May 2026
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Procedural close as moved. The article was moved without a discussion from its long-term title of Kitamura Sae to Sae Kitamura, three days ago. As such, the RM here should not have been started, the move should just be reverted per the WP:RMUM guidance. Since this RM did not run its course, this does not constitute a binding consensus as yet, but editors should start a fresh RM with evidence and arguments if they wish to proceed. — Amakuru (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
Sae Kitamura → Kitamura Sae – @改めてその瞬間です, Ortizesp, and さえぼー:
改めてその瞬間です has moved the name from "Kitamura Sae" to "Sae Kitamura" because of conventions of the English Wikipedia ("In the English Wikipedia, even for Japanese people, the order is given name + surname, not surname + given name.
"). However, Dr Kitamura, also known as さえぼー here, suggested otherwise - that her order is surname + given name ("I use my name in a Japanese order, Kitamura Sae (surname first), not Sae Kitamura...
"). Furthermore, significant sources can support Dr Kitamura's claim. I therefore request a discussion here, that ensuring Dr Kitamura's name order here. Saimmx (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
- Courtesy link to Manual of Style. I've no opinion on the proposed move. AndyJones (talk) 19:53, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
- If necessary, we can put a redirect from one order to the other, especially since in the end it's referring to the same person anyway. I support the move, but only if reliable sources use the surname-given name format (which most appear to do). I would also be okay with making a modification to WP:JTITLE addressing situations similar to this where an article subject requests to use a specific name order, but that's a discussion for another time I think. Gommeh (talk! sign!) 20:33, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
- Dr. Kitamura submits with a surname-given name format in most of her English works, including: doctoral thesis, Nature paper, NII plan, Shakespeare Quarterly. Forename-given name format like Wikipedia articles on women scientists or Shukan Gendai remains rare. More of her English works can be seen in researchmap. Saimmx (talk) 22:36, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support – The editor who made the move was incorrect. Wikipedia specifically allows for the use of Japanese name order in its guidance on the subject, WP:JTITLE. I would suggest that this case falls under item 1 of the 'modern names' section. This page should be returned to its previous title. Yours, &c. RGloucester — ☎ 20:51, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose According to the rule of the English Wikipedia, even for Japanese people, the order is given name + surname, not surname + given name.改めてその瞬間です (talk) 04:54, 10 May 2026 (UTC)