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Waddles
Is a main character? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 04:31, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- there are three answers to your question
- •Yes
- •Definitely
- •Absolutely Radman the 12th (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- hahaha Theobegley2013 (talk) 22:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- agreed WCnerd (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
- I get the joke. Jacksiscool (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Young Stan
I checked based on the Gravity Falls Wikia, unfortunately Stuart Allen ("Stuart Allan" misspelled) is only credited under "Additional voices" in "Dreamscaperers". However, in "A Tale of Two Stans", Declan J. Krogman is explictly credited as "Young Stan". nyuszika7h (talk) 15:17, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
- With an official credit looks solid but ep should be cited where that credit appears if info added to this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Lost legends characters
Hi, I am new on Wikipedia, but I noticed a small error. I noticed that the additional mabels from lost legends on this list have a voice actor, but lost legends is a book, not a show. I just wanted you to know that Liamcritisizes 42 (talk) 20:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Bill Cipher page
I really think that Bill Cipher should have his own page on Wikipedia. Not only was he the true main antagonist of the show, but he's also grown beyond that and into kind of an icon and spread off into several other shows such as Rick and Morty, Ducktales, The Owl House and probably others that I don't know about.
I really hope that somebody will take note of this and do the right thing.
(161.65.235.200 (talk) 01:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC))
- Support, This demon is more then notable and has tons of articles to back him up for a standalone article LittleMAHER1 (talk) 03:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Ibid everything said InvadingInvader (talk) 02:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Bill Cipher is definitely notable on his own outside of the show. DecafPotato (talk) 17:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- He is definitely prominent enough to warrant his own page. UnderestimatedMonkey47 (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support. He is most certainly notable enough, for reasons already mentioned here. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk) 23:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. I just think he should have an article. Theobegley2013 (talk) 05:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- He also appeared in The Simpsons with "BUY CRYPTO SUCKERS!" Stormwar30 (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Actually, good idea. The0nePersonThatshere (talk) 17:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
It is now in Drafts 92.236.253.249 (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support Enough sources for notability. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 14:24, 04 February 2022 (UTC)
- Nice Theobegley2013 (talk) 21:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
i agree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A44B:F74B:1:B5B7:849F:13A5:4D52 (talk) 12:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- Support Bill Cipher is a very prominent character and villain in the show, and has quite a few ventures outside of Gravity Falls. Sparkl (talk) 16:37, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, mainly because he is what most people remember when they hear the name "Gravity Falls" Mehman276 (talk) 21:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support Passes general notability guideline and is even more notable than some fictional characters with existing pages. BaconBorisLXIX (talk) 13:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- support Certainly meets notability guidelines, with various sources as well as cameos in various other shows. M@R10FYREFLOWER — Preceding undated comment added 23:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- support Meets notability guidelines. HassanTNTA (talk) 12:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Bill Cipher Merge Discussion
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- To merge Bill Cipher into List of Gravity Falls characters; short text, context, independent notability questioned. Klbrain (talk) 19:09, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Bill Cipher's article recently sprung up, and I don't see why this article needed a separate split. His Reception section composes of one very good source (A MovieWeb source) two minor bits, and two listicles, the latter two only covering him in terms of plot summary and personality overviews. The rest of his Reception discusses The Book of Bill, an entirely unrelated subject barring Bill being its main character. Notability of Bill is not inherited from The Book of Bill and vice versa unless the sources can explicitly state that they have directly impacted Bill's notability specifically, which they do not state, as they have only been stated to have impacted the Gravity Falls fandom. From a search, they do not seem to say anything more than what's currently in the article.
My main issue, however, lies in how this information can be covered rather easily at the current target article. Per Wikipedia:NOPAGE, "Sometimes, several related topics, each of them similarly notable, can be collected into a single page, where the relationships between them can be better appreciated than if they were each a separate page." In Bill's case, I think this is definitely the case. The information in Bill's article is easily mergeable back to the list without causing issues of Wikipedia:UNDUEWEIGHT. A casual reader is benefitted more by being able to read about Bill alongside several associated characters, rather than having to go to a separate, unnecessary split-off.
As someone who's familiar with this character, I hoped to have been able to expand the information currently presented, but there's very little sourcing discussing him beyond what's currently at his article. I've done multiple searches, and repeatedly stumbled on breadcrumbs. This subject is at best marginally notable, and even when this article has been made, it's so small and easy to summarize that it can concisely be covered at the current list entry. I understand this character is rather well-known in internet culture, but that popularity needs to be backed by a number of sources that verify and prove the subject is, in fact, notable beyond the scope of his parent series. While we can make assumptions about his popularity, those assumptions are baseless and fall under Wikipedia:No original research. Strictly adhering to policy, this page is better off merged back into this one, with no opposition to a recreation in the case of more sources being discovered. Do let me know your thoughts below. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. Looking at both articles, i agree with your points. Bonus Person (talk) 00:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
no- eklensin 46.197.37.254 (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge agreed, if there isn't enough enduring notable coverage of the character, it belongs as a (well-expounded) section of the list of Gravity Falls Characters Bluethricecreamman (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I can't say I agree with the above, for the same reasons notability was agreed to above, of the consensus of InvadingInvader, DecafPotato, CopperyMarrow15, Theobegley2013, SuperSkaterDude45, Sparkl, BaconBorisLXIX, and HassanTNTA. Googabbagabba (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Googabbagabba no sources were actually brought up or shown in that consensus, and the sources used in the article are questionable per my above rationale, hence why I've opened this discussion. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Zero WP:Sigcov. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, not notable enough for a seperate article. Sushidude21! (talk) 03:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge. The sourcing here is borderline at best. Regardless, it would benefit coverage of both the character and the show as a whole if they are kept in one place. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
Merge completed
Candy, Grenda, and Pacifica
Since Candy, Grenda, and Pacifica all appear in the same episode, ("Double Dipper") then shouldn't the parts in the overview where it says that be connected, not individual? They're right next to each other, so there's no excuse why they shouldn't be connected. Jacksiscool (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
Gideon Knowledge
Hi everyone! as a gravity falls fan, it is true that Gideon is never revealed to know everything. He does however talk to Dipper in a way that conveys that he does know everything. I'll rewatch the show to find out, but any input on your part would be appreciated.
(PS: I realise that Gideon lightly read journal 3 in the s1 finale. ) Stormwar30 (talk) 07:04, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Bill Cipher Merge Discussion, Again
After the article got recreated yet again (And the AfD closed as no consensus, somehow, despite no one voting hard keep) we currently have the Bill Cipher stub up again. It was previously merged as shown in the previous talk page discussion per consensus, and the current stub has so little that very little needs to be merged over that wasn't already last time. This stub should be merged over, especially in light of the fact we have no new sources that would warrant an overturning of the prior consensus. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
- Pinging @Daranios @Laterthanyouthink @Rtkat3 who were involved in the AfD. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
- Taking the old consensus into account, I support a merge of what little there is in addition to the target at this time, but not simply a redirect. Daranios (talk) 07:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Daranios I think Bill should have his own page. Honda Civic (UK 9th gen, 2013) (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Honda Civic (UK 9th gen, 2013): The problem I see is that currently the suggested redirect target List of Gravity Falls characters#Bill Cypher has more content than the article here, so guiding readers here in stead of there is a disservice at this time. And as this is a WP:VOLUNTEER project, we don't know if or when things here well be better than there - except if you would plan to significantly expand the article yourself in the near future. So if that's the case I would change my stance. Otherwise I would stay by my merge opinion,
and ideally someone interested would work on this in draft space. And when the content there exceeds that in List of Gravity Falls characters, this can be restored as a stand-alone article.Daranios (talk) 11:05, 26 March 2026 (UTC)- I've rethought this: Ideally editors seeing more on the subject then present in List of Gravity Falls characters will expand the section there until the point comes that WP:SPLITTING out as a separate article is warranted. That way, the question of notability would be automatically solved, too. Daranios (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
- Agree with this logic. It is pointless having an article that contains less info than a section. Either expand the article and reduce the size of the section, or convert it to a redirect until such time as someone creates an article that justifies its existence (and satisfies notability). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
- Nobody has added anything to this discussion since March. Keep or merge Bill Cipher here? I don't see the sources here as being enough to establish notability. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 14:48, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support for a merge. Or at the very least, a reversion to a previous version of the article that had more information. Wikicramming (talk) 04:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Wikicramming the previous version of that article with more information had a previous consensus to merge the information into List of Gravity Falls characters, so that point would likely be moot. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 05:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support for a merge. Or at the very least, a reversion to a previous version of the article that had more information. Wikicramming (talk) 04:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- Nobody has added anything to this discussion since March. Keep or merge Bill Cipher here? I don't see the sources here as being enough to establish notability. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 14:48, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- Agree with this logic. It is pointless having an article that contains less info than a section. Either expand the article and reduce the size of the section, or convert it to a redirect until such time as someone creates an article that justifies its existence (and satisfies notability). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:13, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
- I've rethought this: Ideally editors seeing more on the subject then present in List of Gravity Falls characters will expand the section there until the point comes that WP:SPLITTING out as a separate article is warranted. That way, the question of notability would be automatically solved, too. Daranios (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Honda Civic (UK 9th gen, 2013): The problem I see is that currently the suggested redirect target List of Gravity Falls characters#Bill Cypher has more content than the article here, so guiding readers here in stead of there is a disservice at this time. And as this is a WP:VOLUNTEER project, we don't know if or when things here well be better than there - except if you would plan to significantly expand the article yourself in the near future. So if that's the case I would change my stance. Otherwise I would stay by my merge opinion,
- @Daranios I think Bill should have his own page. Honda Civic (UK 9th gen, 2013) (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
- Taking the old consensus into account, I support a merge of what little there is in addition to the target at this time, but not simply a redirect. Daranios (talk) 07:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
- Support I reviewed this article. Its the standard way to merge these characters. I think there is consensus here now for a merge. I could put in redirect in today if there is more information in the destination article than there in here. scope_creepTalk 08:31, 16 May 2026 (UTC)