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Your GA nomination of Gliese 581 g
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Artist impression images in exoplanet articles Comment
Please place artist impression images (clearly labeled as such) in an appropriate section of the article, not in the planet box. These impressions, regardless of how well intended or their source, tend to get pretty far ahead of not only what is known, but even what it is reasonable to suppose is known, and can this be pretty misleading and un-encyclopedic. Thanks! — Aldaron • T/C 20:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Change to List of cities proper by population
Hi, just saw you made a change in a population in the List of cities proper by population without citing a source, and also deleting the old source. If you are going to change the population figure it's very important to cite the source of your new number, ideally from official sources. Thanks! Mattximus (talk) 01:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Gliese 581 d
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Your GA nomination of Gliese 581 c
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Proposed merge
Why have you removed merge banners from Outline of trigonometry and List of trigonometry topics? ~Kvng (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Explaining edits
Please include an edit summary with each of your edits. Thank you. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Asteroid
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Your GA nomination of Asteroid
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Your GA nomination of Life
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Regarding Life
Hello Martin, regarding Life I decided to undo your removal of 'Phanerozoic Eon' section as I found the removal was unexplained and rather huge. If there has bee nan disussion regarding removal of that section I've not found such. →AzaToth 11:58, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- It was decided at the the review page that the Phanerozoic Eon section should be deleted.
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Your GA nomination of Gliese 581 c
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Your GA nomination of Life
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Edit war
Hi, I'm pleased to have the opportunity to engage with you. We are in danger of edit warring at Life. Please read the comment I have made on the Talk Page. Your lack of edit summaries and discussion give the impression of ownership. Graham Beards (talk) 00:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hello I need help
please revert back to me when you get this58.106.70.43 (talk) 17:14, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Rollback granted

Hi MartinZ02. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:
- Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
- Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
- Rollback should never be used to edit war.
- If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
- Use common sense.
If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Widr (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Tagging
Hi Martin,
I have reverted the tags that you added to some of our Featured Articles. If the Leads were too long, this would have been discussed at WP:FAC. I suggest that you discuss any changes, including tagging, to articles on the Talk Pages first. Graham Beards (talk) 05:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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Virus
Hi Martin, please stop tagging this article. This is a Featured Article and the length of the Lead has been accepted as the right length for a subject of this importance. Graham Beards (talk) 19:55, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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I've stopped by shortly to try and explain a couple of things, you've been around on Wikipedia for something over a year and based on your edits I gather you have somewhat of a feel for how Wikipedia works. From your edits, I think that you've only commented on a single RfA - the currently active one for RickinBaltimore. It's your vote and subsequent comment that I want to quickly discuss. These; you have not created enough articles
and I would say that twenty‐five is enough.
I'm guessing that these two comments are based on the expectation that administrators will have a good feel for article writing with conflict resolution experience on tendentious articles - a must in some editors' eyes.
I'll start by pointing out an obvious flaw in your expectation that an admin will create at least 25 articles. It's not a difficult task to create 25 stub-class articles as these require little effort to research, by comparison creating even a single FA article is (or can be) extremely difficult. Using your expectation, a new editor who has created a set of short two sentence articles could meet your prerequisites, yet a veteran who has never created an article but has diligently worked to bring tens of articles to GA, A and FA status, who has had to resolve many disputes by carefully analyzing sources, and who has significant experience in other facets of Wikipedia (for example, vandalism fighting, new pages patrol, and article reviewing) would not meet your expectations. Admins are expected to bring a balance of many skills; article writing and reviewing is one that many find to be a necessity, another is competence in vandal fighting and conflict resolution, a third is a thorough understanding of policy and guidelines, and there are many more. One for me personally is temperament, I've voted twice and opposed twice because I believed the nominated candidates were not suited for the position behaviourally - being either power hungry or having poor decision making skills.
Your vote touched slightly on a skill - article creation - but it strikes as being arbitrary and insufficiently thought out. Answer these questions for yourself; 1. why 25? 2. Are 25 stub-class articles better than 3 or 4 featured articles (or even a single featured article)? 3. What skill has actually been gained by creating an article? consider an article that will receive little or no attention, that won't become the subject of a content dispute, or that doesn't require strong research skills (such as a table of match results). 4. Is this the only thing holding you back from voting support? if so, why? - are the candidate's other skills and work on the encyclopaedia not sufficient.
I've left this message for two reasons; 1. Your still quite young and definitely younger than the average Wikipedian - some things do only come with experience and 2. There is a bit of flak being levied at you that I don't think is entirely correct. Namely You're having a giraffe, aren't you? ...
. I get the feeling you weren't making a joke, but, had a sincere vote. Your oppose isn't alone in the thinking that Rickin doesn't have enough non-automated article experience. That's not the issue, it's the arbitrary ruling and unwavering rigidity where is falls apart. Article writing experience is one thing that can be gained many different ways; creating articles, expanding articles and having them peer, GA, A and FA reviewed for quality, reviewing articles for those same features, discussion on article talk pages for content dispute resolution, and much much more. To single out article creation neglects everything else that goes into building an encyclopaedia. This is why your vote received a negative response, it showed a fundamental misunderstanding of an article's life cycle. Not to mention that people always receive flak for voting oppose on the grounds of inexperience in article writing which some editors view as being unnecessary for administrative duties. Mr rnddude (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but it might be an idea to wait a while before getting involved in parts of Wikipedia that you may still not fully understand for another year or two. In the meantime, here is something for you to read: Wikipedia:Advice for RfA voters, and although written several years ago this set of criteria for admin candidates has become a work of reference. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Try something easier
Hi Martin. I think you might be a little bit out of your depth here on the English Wikipedia. Your participation on the RfA of Godsy, Samtar, Oshwah 2, Ad Orientem, and RickinBaltimore, Your blank edit at Admin Tools, and your comments at ORCP seem to show that you are far too occupied with adminiship matters. Your request for Autopatrolled clearly demonstrates that you do not understand the significance of article creations, and you do not appear to take notice of messages on your talk page. All these things give other editors grounds for concern about your ability to participate objectively in such areas. Please consider concentrating only on adding new content, cleaning up articles, or patrolling for vandalism, and if that is too hard, you can always edit the Swedish Wikipedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:15, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Eh, Kudpung that blank edit is adding a space between a comma and the next item in the list. A random thing to latch onto, I know, but, not blank. Carry on, Mr rnddude (talk) 09:25, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Whatever, Mr rnddude, but it adds up to demonstrate an unhealthy apetite for all things admin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: I'm in no way obsessed with adminship related matters, I requested the Autopatrolled user right because I didn't want to increase the backlog of unreviewed pages whenever I create a redirect, I do take notice of messages on my talk page, and questioning my competence won't make it more likely for me to listen to you. —MartinZ02 (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- We do not accord Autopatroller rights to the creators of redirects and stubs. That proves that you don't read the guidelines. And f you are now going to be rude and behave like an arrogant teenager, don't be surprised if I and other users take a less friendly tone when discussing your disruption. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: I can explain why I voted as I did, if that's what you want, but don't assume that I'm on the same level as the average fourteen‐year‐old. If you have a question, feel free to ask. No offence intended. —MartinZ02 (talk) 14:31, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- The fact that you need to tell us that you're not on the
same level as the average fourteen-year-old
only tells me and Kudpung that you are in fact on that level. If you weren't, Kudpung wouldn't have pointed it out. Sure, you're not exactly the average fourteen year old, you're a Wikipedia editor for one thing after all. The maturity aspect, however, is perfectly fine for your age, but, it's not approaching anywhere near either of ours. Kudpung is quite your senior, you are just about 2/3's my age. - Obsessed is a strong word, and I wouldn't use it myself. That said, if you weren't at least interested in it you wouldn't have been reading WP:Administrators/Tools, during which you noted a typo which then prompted you to edit the page. So, the interesting question here would be, what were you doing on that page in the first place? It wasn't receiving it's usual vandal attention that prompts most other users to go there and revert/rollback. More over, what page led you to it? Was it WP:Administrators or WP:Administrators' guide? and then, what were you doing on those pages? reading? Sure you could argue random edit random page, but, that falls through the floor when you consider the page is in Wikipedia space and that you would either have actively searched for it, or, found it while reading related pages. Neither of which supports your case of supposed disinterest. I'm always open to hearing an alternative possibility of course, I just can't think of any others. Again, we're not children, we can clue into these things more readily than you give us credit for. Something you're average fourteen year old is prone to doing eh, Kudpung.
- I did note that your presence in article and article talk space far outweight your presence elsewhere, a good thing in many editors opinions. My presence on Wikipedia is far more behind the scenes than most people are comfortable with. Even I get a talking to on occassion about us all being here to build an encyclopadia. Take the lesson learn from it, forget the bitter feeling of being corrected (rightly or wrongly), and move on. It's all you can do, arguing the facts and trying to set the record straight unfortunately only very rarely works. Take Kudpung's advice, keep up the work in article and talk space - specifically astronomy and biological science as those seem to be your main interests - and give yourself time to mature up some more before getting more involved behind the scenes. Trust me, it gets dirty back here. One minute you're trying to sort out an AN/I discussion that has gotten a little heated, next minute there's a sockpuppetry trial and you're the defendant. I kid you not this has literally happened to me. No ill intent was behind it, but, no patience either.
- A piece of advice at RfA; Kudpung would probably advise you not to comment at RfA at all for now, it's solid advice. We may be on the cusp of some reforms due to the spate of recent incidents and I'd rather have as few casualties as possible. We're already at 1 (8 day block with possible indef TBAN). Carry on, Mr rnddude (talk) 22:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: pardon me, but I think this manner of scrutiny of MartinZ02's behavior is wholly inappropriate. In this case, it gets uncomfortably close to a personal attack. Despite your good intentions, it was not unreasonable for MartinZ02 to interpret your previous statements as an attack on his competence. In this case, I would counsel patience. @Mr rnddude: I respect what you're trying to do here, but if you can point to any broken policies or guidelines, then we can start talking about a block. Bringing up the 8 day block of another user(which, incidentally, I agree with) could be interpreted as a veiled threat, even if it's wrapped in sound advice. To my eyes, it doesn't look like this user is being disruptive, and it won't become a case unless it is escalated into one. AlexEng(TALK) 01:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- AlexEng could you point me to which policies or guidelines were broken by Luke that are not subject to personal interpretation. My money is on you won't be able to because they don't currently exist. There are, at this moment, no policies or guidelines regarding conduct at WP:RFA. Any action or inaction is the choice and interpretation of the enactor. May I suggest having a read through Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Ad Orientem and note the OP post one the page. Veiled threat may come to mind. Disruption in this case is wholly subjective. I'm also not talking about a block being delivered at all. I only brought up the current situation, the on-edge-edness of those involved, and the precedent that has now been set. To my eyes, Luke did not deserve a block or the threat of indefinite removal from the RfA process. I voted accordingly at the proposal. I think the same in this case. My comments are in the effort of steering Martin well away from such an outcome. There are a few other editors that could easily fall into the same hot water, whom I won't name here out of courtesy, but, I think you may be able to guess at who those people may be by referring to the previous few RfAs. Mr rnddude (talk) 02:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: pardon me, but I think this manner of scrutiny of MartinZ02's behavior is wholly inappropriate. In this case, it gets uncomfortably close to a personal attack. Despite your good intentions, it was not unreasonable for MartinZ02 to interpret your previous statements as an attack on his competence. In this case, I would counsel patience. @Mr rnddude: I respect what you're trying to do here, but if you can point to any broken policies or guidelines, then we can start talking about a block. Bringing up the 8 day block of another user(which, incidentally, I agree with) could be interpreted as a veiled threat, even if it's wrapped in sound advice. To my eyes, it doesn't look like this user is being disruptive, and it won't become a case unless it is escalated into one. AlexEng(TALK) 01:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- The fact that you need to tell us that you're not on the
- @Kudpung: I can explain why I voted as I did, if that's what you want, but don't assume that I'm on the same level as the average fourteen‐year‐old. If you have a question, feel free to ask. No offence intended. —MartinZ02 (talk) 14:31, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- We do not accord Autopatroller rights to the creators of redirects and stubs. That proves that you don't read the guidelines. And f you are now going to be rude and behave like an arrogant teenager, don't be surprised if I and other users take a less friendly tone when discussing your disruption. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: I'm in no way obsessed with adminship related matters, I requested the Autopatrolled user right because I didn't want to increase the backlog of unreviewed pages whenever I create a redirect, I do take notice of messages on my talk page, and questioning my competence won't make it more likely for me to listen to you. —MartinZ02 (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Whatever, Mr rnddude, but it adds up to demonstrate an unhealthy apetite for all things admin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict)We don't 'threat' anything here, AlexEng - such issues can indeed be escalated and often are, and citing examples is sound pedagogic practice. If MartinZ02 will moderate his participation which is judged to be inappropriate by more than simply the users who have commented here, and loose some of his attitude, not only does he have nothing to fear, but he can be assured of all the help and mentoring we can offer, and I advise him most strongly to read this page in addition to the other help he has been linked to.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: What is wrong with my attitude? —MartinZ02 (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
- Two experienced editors have told you already (WP:IDHT). You are a Wikipedia editor and you will be accepted by the community based on your comprehension of English, and ability to work collabortively in a friendly and appropriate manner. At the moment you are not exactly inviting the kind of help you could expect and if you are struggling with our English, I can very easily tell you in Swedish.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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