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Please do not nominate your user page (or subpages of it) for deletion here. Instead, add {{db-userreq}} at the top of any such page you no longer wish to keep; an administrator will then delete the page for you. See Wikipedia:Speedy deletion § U1 for more information.

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS:,^[a] Event: and the various Talk: namespaces
Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
File description pages when the file itself is hosted on Commons
Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XFD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Notes

[a]
The vast majority of pages in the MOS: namespace are redirects, which should be discussed at RfD. MfD is only applicable for the handful of its non-redirect pages.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

More information Deleting pages in your own userspace, Deletions in draftspace ...

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}} if it is a userpage, or {{db-author}} or {{db-g7}} if it is a draft. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Deletions in draftspace	Unlike articles, drafts are generally not deleted solely due to lack of demonstrated notability or context. Drafts that have not been edited in six months may be deleted under criterion for speedy deletion G13 and do not need nomination here. Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE. For further information on draft deletion, including when nomination here is appropriate, see WP:NMFD
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding `{{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~` to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the page as {{historical}} and/or moving it into the historical archive, or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status\|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider moving it into the historical archive, or userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that does not require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6\|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

Shortcut

WP:MFDHOWTOWP:MFDHOWTO

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

More information Instructions on listing pages for deletion: ...

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}}

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.

If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.

Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.

Please include in the edit summary the phrase
Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
Save the page

II.

Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
Insert this text:

{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.

Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
Save the page.

III.

Add a line to MfD.

Follow this edit link and at the top of the list add a line:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".

Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
Save the page.
If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add

{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.

If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add
{{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~
to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as
Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

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Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

July 10, 2026

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:~2026-38862-58/tomorowfavoritearchive
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete. Edit test / vandalism. Yue🌙 (talk) 01:02, 10 July 2026 (UTC) User talk:~2026-38862-58/tomorowfavoritearchive User talk:~2026-38862-58/tomorowfavoritearchive (edit \| subject \| history \| links \| watch \| logs) – (View MfD) Temporary Accounts are not post to have their own sandbox pages Untamed1910 (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2026 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:~2026-38862-58/tomorowfavoritearchive

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete. Edit test / vandalism. Yue🌙 (talk) 01:02, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

User talk:~2026-38862-58/tomorowfavoritearchive

Temporary Accounts are not post to have their own sandbox pages Untamed1910 (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

July 9, 2026

Talk:Marine biology/Portal template

Unused "template" in the talk namespace. Found using quarry:query/107147. —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete - I am not sure what it is meant to be, but it seems to be misplaced. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
Delete, it was moved from Template:Marine Life Portal to preserve history, but even *I* don't really see the point of that. I notified the person who moved the page of this nomination, even though they haven't edited for a while, just in case. Graham87 (talk) 06:26, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

User:Hygordamedee

Use of Wikipedia as a webhost (WP:HOST & WP:FAKEARTICLE). Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 03:19, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete as a NOTWEBOST violation by a non-contributor. SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:37, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete per SmokeyJoe. I'm generally willing to AGF on CV-like userpages by active or new contributors to the encyclopedia, where the issue might be tone or level of detail. That is not the case here. Martinp (talk) 21:32, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete - This would be U6 if it were a user subpage, but U6 does not apply to main user pages. Wikipedia is not a web host applies in all namespaces. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:09, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

July 7, 2026

Draft:Aiman Valoryn

~~Subject does not meet WP:MUSIC, and lack of WP:SIGCOV.~~ Excuse my initial comment, never submitted an MfD before. The article uses fake sources, links to which are listed in my comment below. Ighs (talk) 11:23, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

I suspect the creator is associated with the subject, who per search absolutely fails WP:GNG. Ighs (talk) 11:25, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

Ignore. These are reasons for being in draftspace. Leave AfC processes to work. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:58, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

There is fake information. Use of fake fantasy outlets dedicated mostly to the subject is incompatible with the purpose of Wikipedia and unacceptable in any namespace. Seriously, look at the sources used: https://artistnewsdaily.com/, https://www.malaysiaentertainment.asia/ and https://universalworldbulletindaily.online/. Ighs (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

That’s a completely new and different allegation. SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

Keep pending any new information. Failure to meet general notability or a special notability guide is not a reason to delete a draft, and deleting a draft for notability reasons would be actually harmful, because notability may be established later. If the alleged fake information rises to the status of a hoax, that is reason to delete. However, the subject appears to be a real person and a real musician, and that is enough to keep the draft unless something can be shown that taints the existence of a draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
Weak keep (weak per my comment below) per WP:NMFD, i.e. failure to demonstrate that the topic meets notability guidelines is not considered sufficient reason to delete a draft. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:44, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
Not meeting notability and significant coverage is very different from being a fake article. Are all of the sources illegitimate? If not, perhaps just removing the offending ones might be the best course of action (if you desire to spend the time on it). @Ighs: I guess my main question is: what level of fake does this rise to? — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:52, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
I'm inexperienced here (as you can probably tell based on my initial statement), but these sources used are not real outlets. They are manufactured by somebody associated with the "artist" in an effort to fake notability.

They are very likely set up by at least somebody associated with the subject, considering that all of the headline articles are discussing his new releases. Everything is AI-generated, and the domains were all registered within the last 8 months. Listed contact email addresses for the outlets are fake and not deliverable. Note that the referenced site https://universalworldbulletindaily.online/ has been taken down since my deletion nomination.

I'm probably not wording this in the best way possible, but it is very clear looking at the sites that they are not real outlets. Ighs (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
Keep per Robert McClenon. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 20:53, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
Comment - I understand the nominator to be saying that the author has created the sources out of nitrogen and other stuff. That's thinner than thin air, because nitrogen has no aerobic value. In my opinion, that calls for an AFC comment saying that the sources are rubbish. That would be a reason to delete an article or to reject a draft, but not to delete a draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

July 6, 2026

Draft:Crowborough United FC

The description of c:File:Crowborough United FC.png reads The logo for my fictional club Crowborough United. Everything written in this draft is made up. It might deceive readers that it is a real club when it's just made up. Jonteemil (talk) 11:02, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

If you think this, you should warn the author. I just did. Delete, if the nom is correct. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:04, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete: per WP:MADEUP. Gommeh ^{(talk 🎮 sign)} 17:49, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Question - Is this the same as Crowborough Athletic FC? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:09, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Draft:2050 FIFA World Cup

Event scheduled for 24 years in the future, Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. ShadowBallX (talk) 04:31, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Ignore per WP:NDRAFT. The draft is declined. The author is blocked. Processing these a third way is a net negative, busy work. A purpose of draftspace is to contain junk from the rest of the project, and you bringing these to MfD defeats that purpose. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:20, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Keep per SmokeyJoe. Outside of disruption such as being tenditiously resubmitted to AFC with no improvement, it costs less community time to let these be deleted via G13 than to discuss them here. Leave useless drafts alone. Chess enjoyer (talk) 05:35, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Keep per Chess enjoyer and WP:RAG. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:14, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Weak Keep as per Leave Useless Drafts Alone. If submitted, should be rejected. If submitted repeatedly, may be deleted, but only then. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:21, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

Maybe this could've been bundled. The nomination reasoning and the !votes are the same. Ha. Keep per WP:LUDA. 🫀 Crash // Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 03:55, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Draft:2046 FIFA World Cup

Event scheduled for 20 years in the future, Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. ShadowBallX (talk) 04:31, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Keep per SmokeyJoe. Outside of disruption such as being tenditiously resubmitted to AFC with no improvement, it costs less community time to let these be deleted via G13 than to discuss them here. Leave useless drafts alone. Chess enjoyer (talk) 05:35, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Keep per Chess enjoyer and WP:RAG. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:14, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Weak Keep as a useless draft that will go away in six months if left alone. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:19, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

Keep per WP:LUDA. 🫀 Crash // Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 03:54, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Draft:2042 FIFA World Cup

Event scheduled for 16 years in the future, Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. ShadowBallX (talk) 04:30, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe, The author of this particular draft isn't blocked. Chess enjoyer (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Right, Ddellas (talk · contribs) is not blocked, just the IP who followed. SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Keep per SmokeyJoe. Outside of disruption such as being tenditiously resubmitted to AFC with no improvement, it costs less community time to let these be deleted via G13 than to discuss them here. Leave useless drafts alone. Chess enjoyer (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Keep per Chess enjoyer and WP:RAG. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:13, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Weak Keep as a useless draft which will go away in six months if ignored. If this draft is submitted for review, it can be declined or rejected. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

Keep, a wonderful useless draft that WP:LUDA can apply to...! 🫀 Crash // Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 03:54, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Ah, c.mon, without these useless MFD discussions, what would the MFD regulars do with their free time? Is there any other discussion forum where you can go and be grouchy? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:05, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

July 5, 2026

User:DpvhoQVUyjkpbzYFb/Userboxes/Larry-Sanger

Userbox declares support for Larry Sanger, who was banned for off-wiki canvassing and threatening to doxx fellow users, among other things. Given that this userpage was just made today (and is the user's only edit), it may violate WP:UBCR as being substantially divisive. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 03:43, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

weak Keep. Project related. Don’t censor minority opinion. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:17, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe What exactly about this userbox is project related? If it specified Sanger's Wikiproject, then sure, but it doesn't; it just says that it vaguely supports him. This isn't a "minority opinion" to be protected, this is just a poorly-designed userbox created by a single-purpose account declaring vague support for a banned user. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

In the last year or so, Sanger returned to Wikipedia with enthusiastic new ideas that were not in harmony with others, and it became controversial, and got worse in the last month, and he was banned. While it involved off-Wikipedia aspects, it was primarily about Wikipedia. Everything had to do with Wikipedia. So, sentiments about Sanger are Wikipedia related.

But, now that I see that the author is a WP:SPA account, I’m much less sure. SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe Ah, when you said "project related" I thought you were referring to WikiProjects. My mistake. In any case, while any user has a right to support Sanger's ideas on reforming Wikipedia, supporting Sanger's bad-faith actions which led to his banning is a whole other story. Given that this userbox does not draw a distinction between the two (unlike these two userboxes, which were made before his banning), and given that it was made by a single-purpose account just yesterday, I am worried that this userbox is concerned with the latter instead of the former. Royz-vi Tsibele (talk) 14:49, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe I am not WP:SPA, this was just 1 userbox. DpvhoQVUyjkpbzYFb (talk) 00:28, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

You now have six edits. You made a userbox. How long have you been editing Wikipedia? Do you have other accounts? SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:52, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Weak Keep - I seldom vote on userbox MFDs, but there is less harm from allowing this userbox than from suppressing it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
Keep Contentious and illogical, but not substantially divisive enough to hinder collaboration. The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 04:51, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Keep per above. PhilKnight (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

July 4, 2026

MOS:Always end your sentences with a dot

Terminally feeble. Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 01:38, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete. Whatever it is intended to be, it doesn't belong in the MOS space (intended for redirects only, as I understand it), and if it had a serious purpose at all, it is clearly wrong. (Why? Because I say so! ). Wikipedia is not a webhosting service for pointless blather. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:05, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
Delete It could be a good parody of MOS arguments but it's an obvious delete as totally unhelpful. Johnuniq (talk) 02:07, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete. This article is bizzare and not relevant to the wiki. It also appears to be the user's only edit. SenshiSun (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Userfy: This doesn't belong in the MOS namespace since it's not part of the manual of style, and maybe not in projectspace because of MOS:PERIOD, but it should be harmless as a userspace essay. Chess enjoyer (talk) 02:12, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
Userfy as a disputed single-author essay. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:50, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

I can't see anything in Wikipedia:Essays that justifies describing this whatever-it-is as an essay. It is neither a meaningful further explanation of existing practice nor a proposal that practice be changed. If it does anything at all, it merely attempts, in broken English, to duplicate what MOS:PERIOD already says. We should not be encouraging random non-contributors to create ill-written material that misrepresents itself as a constituent part of the manual of style. AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:22, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

I use a very generous meaning of Wikipedia essay that includes any opinion related to the project. This could be advice on writing for mainspace. However, I can see that this sentence could be about writing sentences in general, or that it could be seen as something random and stupid.

I agree that it should be removed from MOS Space, either userfied or deleted. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:11, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete per nom and SenshiSun. Dave.Dunford (talk) 10:20, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

Userfy. Clearly does not belong in MOS space and very confused, as per everyone here. But prefer userfy as a harmless alternative to deletion, AGF, and WP:BITE. Martinp (talk) 13:10, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

Delete pending a non-humorous explanation by the originator of why this parody should be userfied. I don't expect such an explanation because creating this was the account's only edit. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:07, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
Userfy to User:Ghjoodjajr/Always end your sentences with a dot. Is this a revelatory 'essay'? No. It is also inappropriately placed in the MOS: shortcut namespace; that is the only major problem with which this page is afflicted. There is not an actionable enough reason to delete it here and we might as well not bite a newbie. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 02:41, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
Userfy because if this was originally created in the userspace, it wouldn't be deleted. Honestly I'm just here to be a part of MfD's first MOS: deletion discussion – Supertian8 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
userfy not MOS. I'm AGF that the editor might return to edit positively in the future. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:11, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
Delete per above. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 20:49, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

July 2, 2026

Draft:Travel Packing Guide

This draft was almost certainly produced by a large language model, but does not qualify for speedy deletion as G15, so should be deleted after discussion. I am not reporting this to the artificial intelligence noticeboard because this is a new editor and AINB is mainly for chronic or persistent AI use.

In particular, the use of multiple hash marks to generate a numbered outline is Markdown, which is not wiki markup and, when seen in Wikipedia, is almost always a sign of the use of artificial intelligence.

Delete as nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
Delete per nom. This article looks like a how-to guide (which would not be appropriate for Wikipedia per WP:NOTHOWTO) that doesn't actually tell readers how to do anything. The draft would have to be completely rewritten even if the topic were appropriate for an article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:48, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
- Move back to userspace per Martinp below. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
Move back to userspace, to User:Junaid-tech/sandbox which is where the user created it. They are new to wikipedia. This "draft" was nowhere near ready for AfC, and may never be ready, and it was an error in judgment by the creator to submit it. It's then the nominator here who moved it from user sandbox to draft space (legitimately, since AfC submissions should be in draft space), and now has nominated it for deletion as unsuitable for draftspace once it (appropriately) fared badly at AfC. However, as a user sandbox it is not bad enough to delete, so we should revert to the status ex ante. Feedback already given by AfC evaluator what the issues are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinp (talk • contribs)
Delete, but WP:LUDA for similar cases in the future. Not doing much harm in draftspace right now. m s k 23:24, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
Comment - The underlying disagreement among the participants here at MFD seems to be how to handle obvious AI slop that doesn't qualify for G15, but is obvious, and in what namespaces. Martinp is saying that such material may be ignored in user space or moved to user space. My opinion is that such material should be deleted, regardless of whether it is in draft space or user space. I think that is what we disagree about. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
IMO this does qualify for G15 given the last two sentences. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:18, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
Delete per WP:NOTTRAVELGUIDE. WP:NOT is capital-P Policy and applies to all namespaces. This page is not a plausible draft of mainspace content. An unambiguous answer to the author’s misapprehension is kinder than an incorrect unclear response. Email the deleted content on request. The AI generation aspect makes it worse, including the point that a little bit of AI play consumes a lot of volunteer time in reviewing it. If too many pages like this come to MfD, the answer is to expand speedy deletion, not to tolerate misuse of Wikipedia. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:45, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
I see @SmokeyJoe's point on WP:NOT(TRAVELGUIDE) and am equally comfortable with delete and my !vote above of userfy/move on that basis.

Regarding the AI point (and this is therefore equally a response to @Robert McClenon), I think that we should have one bar for what is obvious LLM, and therefore speediable. If it meets that bar, out it goes on that basis. That bar is currently G15, though its specifics can and will need to be updated (per Smokey). If something is not *obviously* AI we will of course need to engage on whether it is suspect, and what to do about it, if it is important enough. That includes drafts being considered for mainspace, talk page interactions, etc. But borderline AI detection is less accurate than people sometimes feel, and I think it's really not worth spending time on for a "useless draft" (pessimistic view) or someone's jot notes in their user sandbox (optimistic view). So I don't want to make decisions based on "shades of grey" likely-AI-slop-but-not-quite-G15 unless it is a page that is important enough to bother. Relevant disclosure: In one part of my work, I use an LLM to "write" repetitive content, but have trained it so the fact it is LLM-written is not detectable (if I didn't disclose). In another part of my day job, I write without LLM use, and recently have had a submitted paper rejected as "AI" on the basis of some sort of oversimplified markers like sentence complexity and structure. Martinp (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
Move to sandbox. I tried checking for anything close to a reliable source on this topic and couldn't find anything. It would take significant research and rewrites to get it past WP:GNG. I would consider treating this as notes in a sandbox as a gesture of goodwill to a new user, and it should be moved as such. However, if the vote was to delete, I would not be surprised. SenshiSun (talk) 03:02, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

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