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Category:Kentucky colonels

Hi Fences

Thanks for closing Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_March_9#Category:Kentucky_colonels.

However, you just deleted the category pages, without emptying the category. That leaves ~125 pages still in the non-existent Category:Kentucky colonels, contrary to WP:REDNOT.

Please can you list the category at WP:Categories for discussion/Working#Empty_then_delete, so that the bot will empty the category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I just came here to ask the same question. You can't delete categories like you would an article or talk page unless it is empty. You either have to manually change each page in the category or have a bot do it. But it doesn't happen automatically. Liz Read! Talk! 04:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, BrownHairedGirl and Liz, I'd asked about this at VPT before and was given the impression this was done by a bot automatically at CfD. Is there a closing script to do this? I've added it now; does it work post-deletion? Fences&Windows 11:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes, the bot works fine post-deletion. The bot just does what it's told at WP:CFDW, where your entry looks fine.
Before closing any XFD, it's a good idea to read the instructions. In this case, they are at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Aye, noted. BrownHairedGirl, does the bot work for categories speedily deleted without CFD? Fences&Windows 14:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
@Fences and windows: the bot works only off the instructiuons provided to it at WP:CFDW, under the various headings. Category speedy deletions outside of CFD are very rare. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl, there were a couple of dozen speedy deletion nominations recently due to creations by a banned user, which prompted my query at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_188#Emptying_a_category after I had deleted and manually emptied several of them. I guess we need to follow the advice there to open a CFD, which makes speedy deletions more difficult. Ah well. Thanks for setting me right and your quick responses. Fences&Windows 15:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
@Fences and windows: I hadn't thought of the banned-user-rollbacks. But, to be honest, I deplore those speedy deletions of category pages cos they were created by a banned user. It's quite rare for a banned user to be the only person to populate a category, so it is a v bad idea to delete the whole show just because the category page creator has been banned.
Much better to list the categories at CFD, as @Redrose64 advised at VPT. This doesn't involve lots of extra work, because WP:TWINKLE makes a CFD nomination easy, and it saves a lot of work from undoing inappropriate speedies. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Here is a brownie for you for all the immense amount of help you gave by reviewing my article on Puneett Chouksey and closing the AFD of Speedily delete on that article. Have a great day Sir/Ma'am!--Aleyamma38 (talk) 10:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Blocking 2600:1009:B12C:DDFC:C26E:3365:E23E:D35

Hello! Would you be so kind to block this anonymous user. He keeps reverting my edits and it’s so annoying. TylerKutschbach (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss with them on the talk pages, TylerKutschbach. Also leave a message on the IP's talk pages. I've semi-protected the pages for two days - that is not an invitation for you to revert again, as you risk being blocked for edit warring. You may already have breached WP:3RR. Fences&Windows 01:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Anything I can clarify for you?

Hi Fences and windows. I'm very concerned that your comments at BLPN regarding the Sasha Grey misrepresent my position, my comments, and the available references. If there's anything I can do to clarify my position, please let me know. --Hipal (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

We can continue discussion at BLP/N; my comments my not capture your intent, but I believe they address the consequences of your position. I will edit to clarify. Fences&Windows 16:32, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure if that can work, as I don't think you understand my position despite my clarifications. Thanks for the refactoring. --Hipal (talk) 16:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Maybe I don't understand your position or the basis for your position, Hipal, but it's best not to fork the debate. I think consensus is against you at both the talk page and noticeboard so you need to better articulate 1) the grounding of your position in our policies and guidelines and 2) the practical consequences of your position for the article and its sourcing in order to persuade people. I'm really not aiming to be obtuse. Fences&Windows 21:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
It's not a debate. There are no sides. I agreed to allow the article to be revised to whatever Morbidthoughts wanted, provided there are BLP-quality references backing them. He's done so as best he can, so that's resolved.
I've reached out to you to try to prevent misunderstanding and the problems that develop from working from misunderstanding.
I'd hoped that editors would discuss quality of sources, weight, and any other relevant policies, guidelines, or general consensus. It appears that will not happen. --Hipal (talk) 23:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Your responses at BLP/N have been quite terse and you don't always clearly explain what you are proposing and what the policy basis is. If you could expand more on that and not take pushback personally (which I acknowledge is difficult, especially in light of some of my own rhetoric) then others might understand what you're aiming for. Fences&Windows 00:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I've put far too much time and effort into this already. At this point, I'm going to wait to see what the ip's do when the protection is lifted. --Hipal (talk) 16:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Cadeken socks

Hi Fences and Window. I wanted get your advice and follow up on an issue we discussed at WP:AI#Incidents involving User:Sundayclose. I respect your opinion. First, thanks for the even-handed manner in which you handled that matter. I need advice about the IP socks of Cadeken (talk · contribs). As I said at ANI, Cadeken is a prolific sockmaster, using both registered socks and numerous IP socks. I'm almost certain that Cadeken's latest registered sock is Keith Ann Nikolas (talk · contribs) because of an identical editing pattern (articles related to mass killers and other violent crimes), but I'll deal with that at SPI. My concern is that inevitably when a Cadeken sock is blocked, soon after an IP located in central California emerges, making similar edits, often amid a registered sock edits. For example, here. Sometimes they are constructive edits, but often they are disruptive. To determine whether the sources are constructive, I would have to go to every source to confirm, and often these socks cite multiple sources. That's very time consuming, and with my limited time on Wikipedia, I probably would not take the time to do so. I could report the IP at SPI, but that often doesn't confirm sockpuppetry (and I understand why). So are those my only options? If so, I suspect the IPs problem edits will remain in articles for a long time, as they typically have in the past. I'm not complaining about how Wikipedia operates, but I want to make sure I have no other options before moving on to other matters here. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 22:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sundayclose, one thing I can do is semi-protect the usual/recent editing targets - let's put that together. I suspect they'll widen their target articles, but it'll disrupt their editing pattern.
If there is an obvious IP sockpuppet immediately after a block, reverting on sight and noting the block evasion in the edit summary and at the talk page seems reasonable. Fences&Windows 23:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
There are some articles that are frequent targets. I'll let you know when I see them. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 00:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
F&W, please see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Cadeken. Is it appropriate for me now to revert Keith Ann Nikolas on sight, or do I need to cull through edits to separate the good from the bad? How about the IP? I'm not asking for your admin action, just advice. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 20:32, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Sundayclose, it's a DUCK case, but wait for the SPI close then revert en masse. You're not obliged to check each edit, though be careful not to restore BLP violations etc.
As you've seen, I've semi-protected many of the recent repeat targets. Let me know of any I missed: STEM School Highlands Ranch shooting, Richland High School shooting, List of child abuse cases featuring long-term detention, Montgomery v. Louisiana, Miller v. Alabama, Tilden High School (Chicago), Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson, John Getreu, Roy Charles Waller, List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000), GEDmatch, Washington State Penitentiary, List of longest prison sentences served, 2019 college admissions bribery scandal, Lydia Gouardo, Family Tree DNA, List of suspected perpetrators of crimes identified with GEDmatch, List of youngest killers. Fences&Windows 19:05, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Revdel Request

Hi, Revdel Request for .. thank you, CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry CommanderWaterford, I wasn't online. I see it's been dealt with. Fences&Windows 20:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

This might help!

User_talk:Bishonen#The_days_of_manually_adding_protection_tags_are_done! Regards, El_C 13:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks El_C, I use the magic of Twinkle which does it all for me bar the thinking. Fences&Windows 14:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Murder of Rachel Nickell post-RM

Hi Fences and windows, I pinged you but also wanted to leave you a courtesy notice about the post-Requested Move discussion here Talk:Murder_of_Rachel_Nickell#Requested_move_16_March_2021. Thank you, Some1 (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fences and Windows

I am new to all of this BLP bullshit. But I really appreciated your edits on the BLP board for the porn star. (Remember the internet was built on porn!) But seriously it is cool that you want to save edits.

Have a nice day man. Peace. Infinitepeace (talk) 01:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

That’s OK, I think we should give a complete picture of any person's career including Grey's. My go-to response for most issues on Wikipedia is to hunt for sources. Fences&Windows 09:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
me too. Anytime you need a second look at something or help finding sources, let me know. Is there a group of editors like you? I know that BLP Noticeboard tends to attract people that like to delete other people's work, is there a page that people who support edits gather? thanks again! have a great weekend! Infinitepeace (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi Infinitepeace, maybe Wikipedia:Help desk, Wikipedia:Teahouse, or the Wikipedia:Reference desks? There are also Wikipedia:WikiProjects, Wikipedia:Contests, and Wikipedia:Good article nominations for collaborative, constructive editing. Fences&Windows 23:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Blocked IP back again

It looks as if the editor whose IP 74.127.202.204 you blocked for block evasion after I raised their edits at BLPN is back, now at 74.127.202.115, making the same categorisations on often flimsy evidence, Do you want to deal with it or should I raise it elsewhere? NebY (talk) 17:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks NebY, I've blocked 74.127.202.0/24 for a month. Fences&Windows 18:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Do you have the capability to quickly revert all of the edits? I've been doing it one at a time. Sundayclose (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I just used rollback on them all, Sundayclose. Fences&Windows 18:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! NebY (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

They're back again on 74.127.202.46 categorising or (new) decategorising people as having a personality disorder, sometimes aligned with mentions in the articles and sometimes not, with facetious and serious edit summaries. NebY (talk) 10:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks NebY, I've blocked the range again for another three months. Fences&Windows 10:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again. I've discovered watchlisting categories works now, hurrah, so I've done that. They seem a bit of a BLP risk. NebY (talk) 14:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I see you've revdel'd one article. I don't know if you want to go back so far, but I found the claim inserted into the articles's text in 2017. I removed it last month without thinking to ask for revdel, sorry. NebY (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your vigilance! I revdelled further back, I couldn't verify that claim. Fences&Windows 19:24, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Just over three months later, they're back as IP 74.127.203.206, adding disorder categories that aren't supported by article text in any I've sampled, mostly with the summary "i added him to another category". Some are BLPs again. Would you like to block them again? NebY (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Infinitepeace

Infinitepeace (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to be inviting proxy editing on their talk page. I tried to post the actual policies, hoping to have a discussion as to whether what they are doing is allowed, but the links to the policies were deleted and I was asked to stay off their talk page (which of course I will do). I am still not sure whether the invitation to proxy edit is allowed, so I am reluctant to go to ANI. What do you think? Allowed or not allowed? --Guy Macon (talk) 01:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Guy Macon, I've been pinged myself to save the article up for speedy deletion, but I'm not going near a checkuser block by a member of ArbCom. Fences&Windows 14:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
I am going to just go ahead and delete the section where they invite proxy editing. If they revert again I will have to think of something else. If that happens, can a speedy be used for just part of a page, should I request speedy on the whole thing, go to MfD, or go to AE? --Guy Macon (talk) 15:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
I doubt anyone will answer the request to edit on their behalf or pursue their complaints, but a discussion about principles at AN wouldn't hurt. I think an editor who is blocked for a period of time might still legitimately prepare content in their talk page and discuss with editors things other than their block, but not an indef blocked editor - and especially not a sockpuppet of a blocked editor. Fences&Windows 17:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Another admin blocked talk page access, so we are done here. Thanks for the clarification. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Pearl Petroleum et al

Hi. Just curious about what you think of this. Thanks. --- Possibly (talk) 05:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I replied at the noticeboard. Fences&Windows 14:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Amazing reply, thank you for your thoughtful work there.--- Possibly (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editor

Hi F&W, TylerKutschbach (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has resumed adding the same unsourced content to articles that you blocked them for. They changed the results at 2020 United States presidential election in Pennsylvania without providing a source. I reverted them and issued an ap DS alert. They then reverted me, again without providing a source. Their contributions seem to show a high volume of similar edits that are unsourced except for a claim about "Dave's atlas" in the edit summary. Can you re-block them? Thanks. ― Tartan357 Talk 01:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Done. Fences&Windows 08:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article "Saraf Furniture"

Hi, I had submitted an article and it was deleted under Section G4 for speedy deletion on the basis of a discussion which was done in September, 2018. The Wikipedia page submitted in 2018 was not prepared by me. I had submitted the link to a forbes article on the company that was published on 27th January, 2021, was the article considered before deleting the page?

Please recover the article for further editing.

Thanks, --Adv.devanshmalhotra (talk) 02:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

"The pages slugged ‘Brand Connect’ are equivalent to advertisements and are not written and produced by Forbes India journalists." Adv.devanshmalhotra, the article was written using promotional sources like this. We can’t use such sources, see WP:RS. Fences&Windows 08:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Got it! I will go through the same for a better understanding. Can you please recover the article as a draft in my account so that I can continue working on it. Thanks --Adv.devanshmalhotra (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you for stepping into the breach on Chloe Melas. Marquardtika (talk) 13:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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Wikieditorial101

Thanks for you comment on my ANI report about Wikieditorial101. Take a look at this Freemasonry-fixated LTA. One and the same? Looks pretty DUCKy to me.Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not convinced it's the same user, Beyond My Ken, but I have indef blocked them for their repeated personal attacks and digging a deeper hole at AN/I. Fences&Windows 00:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for that, I appreciate it. When I get the time I may dig a little deeper into the LTA and into Wikieditorial101's contribs, just because it might come in handy if (when?) this editor re-appears. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Gaetz AfD

HI. Just a heads up that there was a comment by David Fuchs on the above AFD, which i believe got deleted in the midst of it being moved. I noticed it because it was a short comment that was cited as 16KB in the history, which only had one entry. I think it's sort of an interstitial metaphysical space thing.--- Possibly (talk) 01:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I'll check and restore once I've cleaned up incoming links. Fences&Windows 01:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the title change!--- Possibly (talk) 01:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Possibly, it's all sorted now I think. It took an hour to tidy up after the move - there's a reason AfDs are not usually moved... Fences&Windows 01:56, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm super glad you did it. Thanks.--- Possibly (talk) 01:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar

Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
Thank you! I was really depressed when I saw that Guliolopez had continued his harassment of me (even after I took a long break), this time for what he called "implausible" redirects and dismissing as "linkspam" my work when many of these supposedly "excessive" alternative spellings were even cited if he had troubled himself to look closely. I was actually on the verge of giving up entirely but your interventions have made my day! Publisa (talk) 00:43, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Page Caesar DePaco victim again of edit warring, vandalism, and sanitization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gustav_Benedictis and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ruimbarreira1411&action=edit&redlink=1

have both continued to attempt to sanitize the page Caesar DePaco. Ive had to revert all their edits, since they were mostly deletions through false assertions. Ruimbarreira introduced a huge rant on both the english and portuguese wikipedia, about how the media is engaged in a conspiracy and acting against his client. He is the individual's lawyer, and threatened to sue people in PT wikipedia. In fact he did file in court agaisnt PT wikipedia. See this edit for the rant https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caesar_DePa%C3%A7o&oldid=1019985689 see this edit and the final paragraph of the introduction. The only reference to this is the individual's own assertions, which are fine to be linked and part of the article, even if they are completely and demonstrably false.

Ruimbarreira1411 has actually sued portuguese wikipedia in an attempt to remove this page from existence. see here - https://blog.wikimedia.pt/2021/04/16/wikimedia-portugal-foi-ilibada-em-tribunal/

Gustav Benedictis is a new account, suddenly appeared, says they've lived in Florida and they are from Madeira... the same location as the person the article is about. (amazing coincidence). He also sanitizes the page for Summit Nutritionals Int., the company that's owned by Caesar DePaco. Another amazing coincidence.

Hope I can get your attention as this page is being constantly vandalised both here and in PT wikipedia, where I've contacted the admins there.

Kranke133 (talk) 16:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Kranke133, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Caesar_DePa%C3%A7o_-_legal_threats. Fences&Windows 20:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:The Legend of Zelda 3D All-Stars

Hi, definitely not trying to make this a 'I know/am smarter than you' or anything, but I am very big into video games, especially Nintendo. This draft is definitely a hoax:

  • From the talk page: "If the game is officially announced we need to really update this article, and if its not real lets not delete it." - this was created by the same IP who created Draft:The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD + Ganondorf's Fury (that you've now just deleted) as well as Draft:The Legend of Zelda 35 (also recently deleted)
    • Also just found Draft:Game & Watch: The Legend of Zelda, another hoax... the two sources used in there are both regarding the recent Mario Game & Watch, not a Zelda one. Same draft also says it releases in November 2020 in the lead, and says in 2021 in the infobox. Same scenario regarding a comment on the talk page: "We need to update this article a lot if its real and please do not delete it if its not real. OK."
  • The Screenrant article you linked is indeed just wishful/hopeful thinking, AKA, purely speculation- mostly based off of the recent Super Mario 3D All-Stars
    • Note the usage of 'likely' and 'could' throughout the article
    • The article is from January 26, 2021. Note how one of the paragraphs starts off with, "February 21 marks the 35th anniversary of The Legend of Zelda series. If a Zelda 3D All-Stars exists, then it will likely be announced shortly before or on the anniversary." It's now May 2021, so clearly that did not happen...

TL;DR- game is definitely something not in existence currently, as in not announced by any means whatsoever by Nintendo. Article you linked to is purely speculation about it existing/what it could contain.

Thanks. Magitroopa (talk) 00:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think it's probably a hoax too, Magitroopa, but the existence of speculative sourcing for such a release makes it hard to apply the CSD criterion. It says "This only applies to cases where the deception is so obvious as to constitute pure vandalism" and WP:DWHOAX says "Hoaxes are generally not speedy deletion candidates". CSD is conservative by design. If you nominate at MfD, it'll likely not last long. Fences&Windows 00:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

FIA Drivers' Categorisation (Platinum)

Hi. Now I don't have enough time to be in Wiki, so I have missed your message. This site copypasted my list not vice versa, please restore. The major content was the list of actual drivers with the Platinum status and references, not the requirements for the platinum categorisation. Corvus tristis (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Corvus tristis, I've restored it and I'm sorry I didn't check more carefully. The Wikipedia page does precede that website. This was caught up in some pages AS19Portsmouth created. Fences&Windows 20:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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Discussion archived

Hello F&W, the discussion at AN was automatically archived again (shouldn't it wait a bit more after new comments? Less than 24h had passed I think). But I would really appreciate some guidance and an answer to my questions. Sorry to bother you specifically but nobody else took action (I really appreciate you did) and I don't know who to ask. I would rather not reopen that discussion myself if I can receive an answer in another way. Thank you. -- {{u|Gtoffoletto}}talk 12:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Gtoffoletto, you said at AN/I you want to "clear my name from this Sword of Damocles", however a topic ban is not a threat but protective. You've successfully edited for a year without impinging on your topic ban area so you may breathe easy.
You have a tendency to wikilawyer and bludgeon, being over-fixated on process and self-justification, which I believe leads you to not take on board what people say. In appearing to minimize the reasons for your topic ban and arguing with those opposed to it being lifted, you gave too many people the wrong impression.
The issue is not process but trust. An admin assessed that the community no longer trusted you to edit about UFOs and you have yet to regain that trust. Had I commented at AN/I then I might have agreed to lift the topic ban to give you a second chance, but I cannot override a lack of consensus. You might regain trust by self-reflection, e.g. accepting what JoJo Anthrax said, taking Wikipedia:Fringe theories to heart, and studying Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing and the other essays linked to in "More on civil POV pushing" for tips on following a more productive path.
You might lurk or engage at WP:NPOVN, or other noticeboards to get more of a feel for where community consensus lies on contentious issues. You engaged at WP:FTN briefly last year but it was always connected to UFOs, by your own admission engaging in "wild speculation" (see WP:NOTFORUM); you might try again on other topics in the spirit of the board, i.e. dispassionately discussing how to write about ideas that fall outside the mainstream neutrally and based on high-quality, independent sources.
A topic ban appeal that might be more successful would acknowledge without spin where you went wrong before, why you want to return to this area, what particular articles you're interested in and what sources you might use to improve them, how you've edited in other (perhaps adjacent) areas without disruption, and how you'll avoid disruption recurring. Fences&Windows 16:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your suggestions and explanations. I often edit about space and aeronautics in my time on Wikipedia (with some interesting detours into other topics) so that is why I feel this is a "Sword of Damocles" hanging over my head (although I don't intend to edit the subject area again given the excessive toxicity). I recognise my failures in dealing with past disputes and agree I could have handled them better. However, I reject accusations of POV pushing and find them unfair. Even the admin that blocked me reviewed the evidence and modified the reason for my ban to disruptive editing in the subject area. I agree I was disruptive as I have stated many times. However, I strive to always cite reliable sources and to follow them faithfully. And I believe my record shows that and that has lead the admin to change the ban reason. Is this a fair assessment of the situation in your opinion? JoJo Anthrax said I believe it is accurate to say that the basis for your topic ban was expanded, and not simply "changed.". But I don't believe that to be accurate from how I understand it.
I can see from my window the latin inscription on the Court of Milan which I will post here for you: "Sumus ad iustitiam nati neque opinione / sed natura constitutum est ius” We are called to justice since birth and law is based on nature, not on opinion.
p.s. on a philosophical note: process is necessary to ensure trust. Without clear and fair processes people tend to make decisions based on opinion, which is affected by bias and is easily manipulated resulting in unfairness. This is a big problem for Wikipedia. And not an easy one to fix. -- {{u|Gtoffoletto}}talk 21:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey F&W. Understand if you don't want to reply. But could you point me in the right direction to receive answers/guidance with questions like this? I am struggling to understand how all this works. Are there admins that volunteer to give guidance/coaching on such issues for example? I am lost here. Thanks. -- {{u|Gtoffoletto}}talk 09:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Gtoffoletto, you seem unreceptive to my advice so I stopped replying. What you're looking for is Wikipedia:Mentorship and there's one available admin at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters. Fences&Windows 10:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way. I've greatly appreciated and read carefully all your suggestions and guidance. I'll do the same with your last advice and see if an admin has time to help me out with some of the questions that I still have. Thanks for the help. -- {{u|Gtoffoletto}}talk 10:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

UTorontoPHD single-purpose account

Hi,

Yesterday I replied to your comment here. Telmo6T has not edited since your warning, but shortly after my comments and a couple of article edits, a brand new single-purpose account UTorontoPHD was registered and emerged to the scene with similar behaviour; making promotional edits, including promotional edits like this.

I considered opening a sockpuppet investigation or another COIN discussion, but I realise that neither may not be an optimal solution in this case. Do you have a suggestion? Thanks, Politrukki (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Politrukki. It's plainly the same editor, but as they've abandoned that old account there's no call for SPI. I've reiterated the earlier warning, let's see if that and discussion is enough without needing to go to COIN. They appear to be engaging at the talk page. Fences&Windows 22:45, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again. I will give them a BLP DS alert in case these are two different people. Hopefully that's enough for now. Politrukki (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

User:SteveBenassi: POV and Battleground behavior, seemingly violating WP:NOTAFORUM

Hello. User:SteveBenassi, whom I reported earlier and whom gave a final warning about edit warring and ArbCom violations (and WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior, has begun to post very POV and forum-like material expressing his opinions across Talk pages (relating to Jews and Jewish history/origins in ways that seem to go against WP:NOTAFORUM). Previously, he intentionally made disruptive edits and edit warred in order to, by his admission, "make a scene" in order to push his POV.

Here is the earlier report I filed, in which User:NonReproBlue also participated (and where you warned SteveBenassi): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1067#User:SteveBenassi_WP:NOTHERE:_edit_warring/intentionally_disruptive_edits

Here are his recent edits to the Talk pages of three articles so far, first at Zionism [] And then at Italian Jews, here: []

At Zionism, it seemed to be in response to a ref another user had added, but at Italian Jews it seemed to be for the purpose of calling attention to his opinion.

I warned him and removed his addition to the Talk page at Italian Jews, referring him to WP:POV and WP:NOTAFORUM but he has again posted similar material to the Talk page of Genetic studies on Jews, here [], this time initially pinging a user who (a while ago) edit warred (adding fringe material) and with whom I had an exchange. His notifying of them also seems somewhat like WP:CANVASSING, since he would know they would be likely to agree with him.

SteveBenassi has a history of making intentionally provacative edits (by his own admission) and edit warring on purpose. Here is seems to again be pushing a POV, and it seems that he is interested in adding this materials to articles that concern Jews or Jewish history. His recent behavior could also be an ArbCom violation (but I am not as familiar with that).

This seems to me problematic and disruptive, and indicates, like the edits he was reported for before, that he is WP:NOTHERE and attempting to right WP:GREATWRONGS. It is also strange in light of his earlier statement that he would no longer edit Wikipedia ([]).

Any attention to this issue is greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Skllagyook (talk) 03:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello. User:Skllagyook You continue to try to block a new paper, The Geography of Jewish Ethnogenesis (2019), http://www.biblaridion.info/video/ethnogenesis.pdf , because it is opposite to your POV, and you try block my comments about it. I do not make edits on any pages now, I try to engage users on the talk section of the pages. I am trying to follow the "Please try to stay on the task of creating an encyclopedia". You don't like this paper and are still trying to suppress it. You do not like my analysis of this paper because it is anathema to your views. No one else is complaining but you three, who work as a team to block changes.

See ... search Benassi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Italian_Jews (deleted by Skllagyook) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genetic_studies_on_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eran_Elhaik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Oster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eran_Elhaik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Eran_Elhaik SteveBenassi (talk) 03:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


User:SteveBenassi I explained the issue with the paper repeatedly. The issue, as explained, is that it makes extraordinary claims strongly at odds with the mainstream (research both early and recent) and has received no engagement from the maimstrean (e.g. in the form of citations). This issue is not my personal opinions, and your repeated claim that it is (assuming bad faith) is less than appropriate (see WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:AGF. Adding variations of the same material accross Talk pages with your own POV, with headlines like "Are most modern day Jews or their ancestors indigenous to the Levant? The answer is no." (here []) and slanted, pov, and misleading descriptions of the "old" positions of "Ostrer and his camp" (here []), seems to suggest a battleground approach similar to that you admitted to in earlier instances (such as here []. Instead of editing the articles directly, you now seem to be posting opinionated material in the Talk pages designed to get others to make edits along the lines of those you prefer. Skllagyook (talk) 04:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

User:Skllagyook Others disagree with your POV of me and my work, see RS debate ...

"I have read the paper of Yardumian and Schurr. It is a secondary source by two qualified authors published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. The authors openly disagree with the conclusions drawn by some of the papers they review and give reasons for their disagreement; this is how science works and it isn't our business to take sides. I don't want to comment on exactly how it is used in articles, but I don't see the slightest reason to prohibit its use. Zerotalk 07:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Neutral editors please note that the use of this perfectly normal academic article is being edited out of several pages: not only at the Eran Elhaik page, which is crammed with references hostile to the author (in violation of wiki bio's NPOV policy) but also at the Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry here by Skllagyook, and then by User:Shrike (here and at Genetic studies on Jews here by Skllagyook, and at Jewish History here, again by Skllagyook.

It would appear in all four cases that Skllagyook has taken it upon himself to disallow a new perfectly normal piece of academic research to be cited for its conclusions anywhere on Wikipedia; That they do so because they are convinced the majority view is tantamount to the truth and not a contestable opinion. That is not only abusive POV pushing. It is outright censorship of any dissonant voice, one in this case, coming from perfectly respectable scholars. I.e. we have the extraordinary phenomenon of a peer-reviewed piece of scholarship suffering interdiction from appearing on Wikipedia because an editor has arrogated the right to step in an assume the mantle of ultimate judge on what can, and cannot be thought, about the topic. An editor of unknown background is acting as if they knew more about the topic of population statistics, genetics and Jewish history than the scholars who specialize in it or the peer-review committee who approved its publication on vetting it. Nishidani (talk) 08:34, 12 May 2021 (UTC)"

You lost the RS debate and are still trying to suppress me and this paper, get over it, and leave me alone.

SteveBenassi (talk) 04:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


That was the opinion of Nishidani. But I was not the only one who thought the paper might be WP:UNDUE, and that, if used at all, should be incorporated only according to WP:WEIGHT (as it was in the criticism section of Eran Elhaik). Skllagyook (talk) 04:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I've blocked SteveBenassi for 72 hours under Arbitration Enforcement. The post to Talk:Zionism breached ARBPIA. Fences&Windows 11:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
So did the posts to the other pages, since they all contain the same statement:”Elhaik's paper was highly cited, it created a firestorm, many articles were written about it, because it threatens one of the justifications for Israel's right to exist in Palestine, DNA“. Even after being specifically told that these edits were a breach of sanctions he spammed it across multiple pages. I am genuinely curious why he is being cut so much slack, when it is abundantly clear that he is wp:nothere to build an encyclopedia. It would be different of he had a history of positive contributions, but literally the only edits he has ever made have been either to repeatedly insert his own original research (see his edits to wendigo) or inserting this specific rant about Elhaik’s work meaning Isreal has less of a right to exist (plus his rev-delled edits for “outing and off wiki harassment”) it seems like he is being given far too much leniency, and it is pretty much certain that as soon as this short block expires he will be right back at it. NonReproBlue (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
NonReproBlue, I don't generally get involved in Arbitration Enforcement. I don't think a 72 hour block for talk page posts is lenient and if he returns to disruptive behaviour I am sure it will be dealt with. However, if you believe further action is needed, please go to WP:AE. Fences&Windows 13:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I suppose that I wasn't thinking that it was solely under the purview of AE, as the ARBPIA violations are only a part of what I see as a very troubling larger pattern of WP:BATTLEGROUND WP:PROFRINGE and WP:NOTHERE behaviors, but I apologize for bothering you and and will take your advice if it persists.NonReproBlue (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
One last question; in their unblock request they said "Three Users of unknown background are consistently blocking me and others, Shrike, NonReproBlue, and Skllagyook. They are probably Israeli or Zionist trained SockPuppet civilians." What would be the appropriate noticeboard to bring this to? AE because of the content of the accusation, or general Incident board? Because this seems egregious to me. NonReproBlue (talk) 16:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

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Sockpuppetry

Hi, can you renew the protection of the page "FOR TWO YEARS NOW" Sylvain Charlebois with ([Edit=Require extended confirmed access] like it was recently made in French to Sylvain Charlebois. The sockpuppet of Janvez is back again with the account Atkcp wich should be blocked too like on French Wikipedia.

Note: A recent discussion on Talk:Sylvain Charlebois was recently added about that. Thank you.--CAQeux (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

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  • Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
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Appealing Topic Ban

It has been six months. What other information do you need? Kire1975 (talk) 16:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Is there a formal process? You said I could come back to you after six months. Thank you in advance. Kire1975 (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, Kire1975, I forgot to reply to your message here. Thanks for the reminder. To appeal the topic ban, you need to go to WP:AN to ask for consensus for it to be lifted or modified. See WP:UNBAN for the policy. As this was a community ban I cannot unilaterally remove it. Fences&Windows 21:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello again, I've been reluctant to appeal the block because I don't see a clear and specific block reason posted anywhere. Nothing was posted on my user talk page, and all it says on the block log is "See ANI" but I have not saved the ANI link before it disappeared from WP:ANI. Would you mind putting that notification on my talk page properly per WP:EXPLAINBLOCK? Thank you. Kire1975 (talk)
Of course. I had linked to the wording in my comment above, but I've now placed it on your talk page. Fences&Windows 13:45, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

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  • An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

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  • Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)

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Need your help

A user with an IP 98.151.201.187 has been making nonsense edits on Saginaw Grant for the past day or two, a page for a Native American actor who has recently died. The user leaves no explanations and has now started reverting my undoings of his nonsense edits. After my experience with you blocking me last January, I won't dare try to get into an argument with anybody on any noticeboards or anything else. At the same time, this user has a history of vandalism and is being very disruptive and is now taking it to a page of a recently deceased person who is a beloved sacred elder/now ancestor in many communities. So my emotions are up. Can you please take a look at the edits this user made on this page and elsewhere and help me determine what to do next? Kire1975 (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Kire1975, I suggest you discuss this on their talk page so they understand what they're doing wrong. If they persist and appear to be vandalising/disruptive, go to WP:AIV. Fences&Windows 20:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
That would be sensible, but since it's an IP user, they don't have a talk page? Kire1975 (talk) 21:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Kire1975, there's a talk page for each IP user: User talk:98.151.201.187. You can also explain in the edit summary and on the article talk, in case they miss the talk page comment. I think this user may be editing in good faith, but they appear confused and clumsy. Fences&Windows 21:20, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


It goes beyond to edit here

Hi Fences

I congratulate your coolness, and have a better opinon on you that months ago, but did you sent this same warning to Marquardtika? Because I believed a consensus was reached months ago, and this guy is the one that it´s breaking it. You yourself wrote the part that this guy is "objecting."

Look, I´m writing a book on the fraud done by CNN. You, wikipedians, could appear as heroes for the truth or manipulated yes men for them. Think about it, if you block me then I will appear not like a right wing conspiracy theorist trying to hack Wikipedia kind of guy, but a truth teller that CNN is scared to death to attemp to sue me for saying they comitted a fraud, that is being censored by you.

Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia editors love to appear like the good guys, right?

I will keep defending truth at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. See you there. Tomoo Terada (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC) Tomoo Terada

Stop icon

Your recent editing history at Chloe Melas shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editingespecially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warringeven if you do not violate the three-revert ruleshould your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Fences&Windows 03:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss this at Talk:Chloe Melas#BLP issues, User:Tomoo Terada. I am not going to block you, I'm an involved admin. I could see you were edit warring (and past three reverts in 24 hours so I gave you a templated warning to avoid you getting blocked by continuing and not realising the risk. Fences&Windows 20:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your friendly warning Fences, but it´s true what I wrote you. I don´t have any fear of being blocked or even banned from here because as I already said to you and will keep saying it, some people here obviously are owned by Chloe Melas. If they were already bought by her, any reason will not change "their" decision. Tomoo Terada (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC) Tomoo Terada

Draft review

Sir, I got your reference from User:Hatchens on regarding on a draft, which I want to produce it on a wiki page. But it was neglected 2 times due to unreliable resources. Bu I gave those reference which are some reliable and few Independent. Please look into my draft and Please give some advice where I can fix this. I even don't if there is any Indian origin to review it. But no offense. Please ping me.Jyoti Roy (talk) 05:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

The draft is Draft:Anubrato Mandol.Jyoti Roy (talk) 05:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2021

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2021

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  • A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
  • Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
  • The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.

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Page restore req

Hi, a page that you deleted is "Operation Swift Retort Film" because of G4, can u please restore it or move it to draft so I can make it references? I have now 3 top newspapers references from last month so that will come in handy. --Static Hash (talk) 10:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Static Hash, I've restored it at User:Static Hash/Operation Swift Retort (film). Please ensure the issues raised at AfD are fully addressed. Please check with me, the deleting admin, or go via WP:DRV before moving to articlespace. Fences&Windows 15:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, admin, I think it's not notable at this time. --Static Hash (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Static Hash, shall I delete it again? The sources you added either didn't mention the film or were by the filmmaker so cannot be used. We can document polemical or propaganda films, but we must not ourselves convey their message. The writing was not neutral and left out critical reception from at least two reviews. Fences&Windows 17:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes sir you can delete it, thanks for your precious time. --Static Hash (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2021

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  • Phase 2 of the 2021 RfA review has commenced which will discuss potential solutions to address the 8 issues found in Phase 1. Proposed solutions that achieve consensus will be implemented and you may propose solutions till 07 November 2021.

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User:Supercopone

You might want to take a look at this fellow too. He shows up in most of the places user:CappellsFromSkelmersdale has in the last two days with inane deletion remarks, and the contribs suggest a compromised account or something. Mangoe (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Why not talk to me first? Of seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you should be ran off. Please try to communicate with me first next time.Super (talk) 19:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Super, I also noticed your account but I concluded that there was no immediate indication of a concern. Mangoe's skepticism comes because accounts that return after a long absence with a burst of activity in a new area are often compromised or disruptive.
You seem interested in AfD and have joined the ARS, but please note the ARS is controversial (there have been recent sanctions for certain members due to disruption). You may want to observe AfD and DRV for a while before contributing so extensively so you get a feel for the norms. A few well-researched comments are more valuable than many drive-by !votes. Fences&Windows 22:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I just retired and am filling my free time. I wish more editors were as polite as you.Super (talk) 23:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).

Administrator changes

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  • Unregistered editors using the mobile website are now able to receive notices to indicate they have talk page messages. The notice looks similar to what is already present on desktop, and will be displayed on when viewing any page except mainspace and when editing any page. (T284642)
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A quick question

How do you handle a editor who apparently had a hatred for pornography and is attempting to delete as many article as he can? An example can be seen here There is zero reason for an AfD. If you have time I would love advice on how to proceed. Another user mentioned a topic ban? Super (talk) 00:36, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Super, as you've already gone to AN/I then I think my advice is mainly moot. I think the AN/I post was premature: you've not gathered sufficient evidence of bias or a need for a topic ban. You need to be quite forensic and specific in presenting your case - shows diffs, quotes, examples.
My advice for AfD is always to search for more and better sources rather than focusing on the present state of the article. This is not easy in the field of pornography, but is still necessary. Editors nominating porn bios for deletion are often motivated by BLP concerns, because these articles can attract editors who want to add real names and other private information and the sourcing to porn industry sources is often promotional and low quality. Fences&Windows 11:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – January 2022

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  • Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

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In the event

I saw that you are one of admins willing to provide copies of deleted articles. In the event that List of feature films with LGBT characters is deleted (which is a distinct possibility), would you be willing to provide a copy of that article, after the deletion of that page, so the content can then be used on other pages on here? That would be very helpful. Thanks. --Historyday01 (talk) 15:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Historyday01, yes, I would. I doubt from a quick skim it'll be deleted, but I'll probably comment on the debate tomorrow. Fences&Windows 23:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. --Historyday01 (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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William Jacques

Hi - I don’t think our paths have crossed to date. I see you’re the major author of the William Jacques article. I’m interested in the connection between Jacques and the Read School, Drax. Our article states he was head boy, but I’m struggling to find an RS that confirms this. Do you happen to have one? Thanks and regards. KJP1 (talk) 20:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, KJP1 - good question! That was added a decade ago by an IP editor: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Jacques&diff=prev&oldid=499369595. Unfortunately, I didn't notice it wasn't sourced. I can't verify it (I checked the school website too), so I've removed it. Fences&Windows 21:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back so promptly. I think that is best for now, although I actually think it’s true. I’ll continue to look for a source, and I’ve posted the question on the school’s Talkpage. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 04:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2022

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Thanks for getting on top of that

Things were really getting out of hand at Neil Parish. Appreciate the quick response and cleanup. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Neil Parish

I'm not going to alter the duration of the protection on Neil Parish, but I would have preferred that you discussed with me if you disagreed with the duration of the protection I put in place before reducing it. Mjroots (talk) 15:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Honest error Mjroots, I thought it was only move protected and saw it needed quick action. I'll restore duration. Fences&Windows 15:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. I've just created an edit notice, so hopefully the level of vandalism will now drop. Mjroots (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hey there, I'm writing here to ask whether you could maybe protect Dragon Group again as you did in December 2020. There have been several cases of badly-veiled tendentious editing there over the last month and it's getting pretty tiring to keep up with it. Zarasophos (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see this sooner, Zarasophos, it has now been done by another admin. Fences&Windows 08:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
No problem! Thanks for the response. Zarasophos (talk) 17:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

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Teamwork in action

Cryptic 00:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Yep, you beat me to it by a minute,Cryptic. I need to get quicker on the draw; I'm getting rusty. Fences&Windows 00:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Full protection of 2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally

I would urge you to reduce the full move protection to extended confirmed move protection, or at least to move the page back to its original title pending the requested moves discussion. In general, we do not pre-emptively protect pages. And, if we are to protect a page, it should not reward the last mover in a series of contested moves. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I believe I'm actually the third admin to apply full move protection so it's far from a unilateral decision. It was applied, lost when extended confirmed was added, and then readded by Cryptic and then me a minute later. Fences&Windows 00:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
(Fourth, by my count.) It's now been moved eight times in the space of about an hour and a half; there's no universe in which the protection was preemptive. Current title's the longest-standing one, and (I think, anyway) the one where the requested move was started. —Cryptic 00:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Is it the longest-standing one because that is where the page was protected? Isn't that a bit circular? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
It's spent at least as much time extended-confirmed-move-protected at that title as it has admin-move-protected. It was first protected at 22:52, moved to the current title at 22:57, accidentally downgraded at 23:20, then not restored until 00:00 after I noticed move #7 and its reversion. —Cryptic 00:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
There's been move warring, there's an open discussion, and there's open declarations to shortcut the discussion. I fail to see how move protection is inappropriate. Also, see WP:WRONGVERSION. Fences&Windows 00:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

This user reverted or removed my recent contribution because they deemed it seeming to be defamatory or libellous.

Libellous is a mispelling of Libelous, which implies criminality, and this person has just done a defamation by provingly, falsely accusing me of a malacious crime by stating that my contribution was criminal. Then they recommended me to read a page which had no proof whatsoever of their claim. They have also censored my contribution, which I presume accomplishes their goal of silencing dissent to their currently dominant political agenda. I am also perceiving what appears to be damage control, or negotiate tactics of not addressing the pre-emptive "protection" of the page regarding my contribution. There appears to be an effort to substitute explaining the purposes of their actions with stating the actions of other admins, and also the other admin that works within a minute of them weighs in to clarify that the page is being moved eight times within an hour and a half. This seems like sweeping. There are likely significant corruption insurance motives at work. 69.137.191.63 (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm an admin, I was upholding the Biographies of living persons policy. You wrote that a named living person was a "shooter" and suggested they were involved in a serious crime, but you provided no reliable sources to back this up. According to WP:BLPTALK, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced and not related to making content choices should be removed, deleted, or oversighted, as appropriate". Nobody on Wikipedia is allowed to make such unsourced speculatory remarks about another living person. My templated warning on your talk page was standard. Fences&Windows 21:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Please note that when you protect a page under a contentious topic, you need to specify the CT involved in the protection reason (for instance, WP:CT/AP for pages protected under the American Politics CT). Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:34, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, The Bushranger. I was extending the protection already applied for the main page because the draft was targetted with disruptive edits and I hadn't checked what else was required. Removing protection entirely because I didn't follow process precisely is bureaucratic and ill-judged - please restore it. Fences&Windows 13:57, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
I didn't remove it because you didn't follow process, I removed it because the Bondi Beach shooting does not fall under PIA. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:19, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
The Bushranger, the main article is under protection, which you know because you changed the protection the day before from PIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=2025_Bondi_Beach_shooting&type=protect. I applied the same protection, but you didn't directly tell me you'd removed the protection and your latest reply ignored that you'd already swapped PIA to ISIL on the main page, and you didn't even consider semi-protection. Please don't reply. Fences&Windows 20:45, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

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Susan Abulhawa

Hello, regarding the inclusion of Susan Abulhawa's controversies surrounding Ukraine, what would you recommend can be done next? The editor who has repeatedly removed my additions has claimed this is because "there is no sustained coverage", despite the fact that this is a made up piece of criteria for inclusion. I ask because you seem to be one of only two editors who criticized these removals based on this supposed reason for complete exclusion. JPHC2003 (talk) 22:57, 8 January 2026 (UTC)

JPHC2003, I'd been thinking of revisiting this. Maybe the NPOVN, and then an RfC? It's not just Ukraine, another controversy was all suppressed iirc. It looks like clear OWN and AGENDA issues to me. Fences&Windows 03:25, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
I'm fine with an RfC given I talked it out and got nowhere. What else was suppressed, by the way? How would it be violating the rules, as well? JPHC2003 (talk) 07:47, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
JPHC2003, I was referring to her response on social media to the 2025 Capital Jewish Museum shooting, see Talk:Susan_Abulhawa#Discuss_her_antisemitism_and_hate_speech. Coverage: (other sources are tabloids, to be avoided). Likely objections are WP:BLPBALANCE "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints; the views of small minorities should not be included at all.", WP:NOTSCANDAL, WP:BLPGOSSIP, and WP:UNDUE, but those don't justify whitewashing every mention of a negative incident that received more-than-passing coverage in multiple reliable sources. Fences&Windows 14:13, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
Did you follow this up? JPHC2003 (talk) 21:36, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
No. Fences&Windows 21:39, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
I guess I'll bring it up to the administrator's noticeboard then. JPHC2003 (talk) 07:31, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Techoliver298 unblocking request

Hello, I was partially blocked due to "Repeated BLP violations, using non-ABOUTSELF social media to post and ignoring an ANI discussion." This was a mistake and will not happen again. I wasnt fully aware of the requirements. I apologizes to this accidental vandalism. I am requesting an unblock and will follow all rules. Techoliver298 (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

Techoliver298, you were repeatedly warned about poor sourcing over months, you ignored the discussion at ANI, and even after I blocked you from two pages on which you were edit warring to include social media posts you continued to add Facebook as a reference to other biographies. I think you're only here to spread celebrity gossip and I won't unblock. Maybe another admin will. Fences&Windows 23:54, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

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MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) edit warring on page Haseki Sultan

Edit warring also saying that she can go all day with edit warring, she refers to sources used as non-reliable with providing no source to back her claims. ~2026-15248-47 (talk) 10:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

1) User is misleading words
2) User wants unreliable sources to be seen as correct.
3) Kösem Sultan's name is unknown and only popular, unauthorised books write Anastasía without any evidence.
4) I advised the user to check why I continue to insert "based on unauthorised sources" on Kösem's page's section about her background, which explains why it's an incorrect name.
5) Sources for this information have been inserted.
6) The user deleted also sourced content which gives Kösem Bosnian origins
7) User has been asked to stop, or to explain why he deletes sourced content. No reason given. All sources inserted can be also seen in Kösem's page.
8) the deletion of sourced content without any reason of the user, has generate edit-warring because he persists to delete sourced claims, dismissed information, and a behavior which doesn't seem to care about sources.
9) The reason itself given here, is fake, as I have inserted sources to confirm my claims, which were, by the way, also on Kösem's page and are useful to be there too as they state different origins, name theory.
10) User is lying: check Haseki Sultan's chronology to see and you'll be shown that sources have been inserted. Simply, he doesn't like them and wants them removed according to his will.
11) User has been warned that the deletion of sourced content must be explained. Hovewer, no reason was given or provided.
12) As I continued to insert sourced content, the user persists to delete it without a valid reason.
13) Sources I inserted are at Kösem's background section in her bio. Reasons are explained there. Simply, I brought them there too as they say something important, reliable, which clearly is not liked by an user who, by the way, gives false claims even here.
14) Advised to check why different sources have been inserted, he persisted on deleting them without a valid reason, so deleting important pieces of Kösem's background, and if her name is reliable or not. Which is Cleary explained in her page.
15) Useless edits: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haseki_sultan&diff=prev&oldid=1347377354, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haseki_sultan&diff=prev&oldid=1347374993, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haseki_sultan&diff=prev&oldid=1347373873, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haseki_sultan&diff=prev&oldid=1347370956 where he doesn't provide any justification for the deletion of sourced content, persists in saying that the claim regarding her name is sourced even if I brought in sources which state why it's only a popular belief, or even simply saying "you don't own the page" while I simply inserted an important clarification regarding a claim which was there, and also the unexplained deletion of sources which state different origins for the woman in question.
16) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6sem_Sultan Kösem's page is clear in stating that her name is NOT known for sure, and her origins are DEBATED. Sources are provided, thus brought there too. MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
TA blocked for a month as this was wilful, and MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma indef blocked for knowingly edit warring two days after my final warning. I am not interested in the justification as there is no BLP exemption - this behaviour cannot continue. Fences&Windows 12:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ngogo chimpanzee war

On 14 April 2026, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ngogo chimpanzee war, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:26, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Editing without consensus

Hello @Fences and windows, You had instructed us (Rift and myself) to reach a consensus on the Talk Page for Janalynn Castelino regarding the tags and other issues. That consensus has not yet reached, however, Ravenswings has restored all edits from Rifts previous revision. Ravenswings has warned me that if I edit that page, I'll be banned so I'm just bringing this to your attention that there is no consensus yet. However, as soon as the lock from that page was removed, Raveswings has stated restoring previous edits including the multiple tags added by Rift in response to my disagreement of the tense. I understand that I am a new editor but your instruction on consensus applies to all. Please intervene.

Thanks! Thisiscarmend (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Thisiscarmend, the dispute is about notability and quality of sources. You'll resolve that by showing significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, not by appealing to me. Musical artists who are trying to get established will sometimes use paid coverage and engage with less reputable outlets. You need to be aware of poor quality sources in establishing notability. See Wikipedia:Source assessment and Wikipedia:Evaluating sources. For strengthening the article, also see Wikipedia:No one cares about your garage band and Wikipedia:Wikipuffery. Fences&Windows 19:09, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
@Fences and windows Ravenswings has left an editing summary stating - With a clear consensus to do so, reverting to Rift's last version. Just bringing to your attention that there is no clear consensus to do. The only consensus here is between Ravenswing and Rift. And the real consensus reached was to amend to "As of 2021, she lives in Mumbai." However, he has not amended.
The problem is if I try discussing anything there, Ravenswings has warned that he will ban me from editing Wikipedia.
@Fences and windowsWith your permission, can I start editing that page based on the links/policies that you have shared above? Thisiscarmend (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
Thisiscarmend, you're not topic banned. In my view Ravenswing shouldn't be threatening new accounts with topic bans for discussing on a talk page, because of the chilling effect of such threats per WP:BITE - Ravenswing has no authority to impose such a ban unilaterally and it would need to be agreed an WP:ANI. You absolutely must not return to edit warring, and you must focus on the sources. Fences&Windows 22:50, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
In my view, I did no such thing. Alright. At this point, you need to be made aware of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Consensus here is clear, and every editor who has commented on the issue disagrees with your position. As soon as full protection expires, we'll be putting back in the well-sourced Mumbai fact (in the form that LaffyTaffer suggested) as per that consensus. Further debate over the same positions, over and over and over and over again, are unnecessary, and if you continue to edit war over it, a topic ban from editing the article at all can be sought against you, among other sanctions. Among the other things that Thisiscarmend is making up is the premise that this is solely a consensus between myself and Rift; LaffyTaffer concurred, Grandpallama concurred.

At this point, Thisiscarmend has received considerable advice and several policies/guidelines to peruse, from numerous different editors. WP:BITE does not immunize a new editor from the need to follow common Wikipedia practices, and to avoid tendentious editing. Of course I have no authority to issue unilateral blocks -- and even if I were an admin, I'm an involved editor here, and it'd be wholly inappropriate to do so -- but their utter inability to drop the stick doesn't bode well. They should find something else to edit; advice you yourself have given them. Ravenswing 00:30, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

@Ravenswing I'm not making up anything.
LaffyTaffer concurred, Grandpallama concurred - to amending "As of 2021, she lives in Mumbai".
Nether LaffyTaffer nor Grandpallama concurred to tagging the page with notability templates. There was no consensus or discussion reached regarding the Tags/Templates. By that sense, you are making this up.
@Fences and windows had instructed us (Riff and myself) to reach a clear consensus on issues including those templates. However, you anyway went ahead and added those along with stating in your editing summary With a clear consensus to do so, reverting to Rift's last version. Therefore, I say the consensus is solely between you and Rift. Thisiscarmend (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
You were talking about the consensus to add back in the Mumbai fact, and that's the only consensus in which I (or LaffyTaffer or Grandpallama) had any part; I've made zero comment on tagging the article. Ravenswing 01:03, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
The version by @Fences and windows does not have those random non-consensus templates. As soon as the lock was removed, you have added them back. There was no consensus or discussion that sorted agreement on adding those templates. Those notability tags were an outcome of an edit war, and not a policy based discussion. Along with adding them back your edit summary says editing summary With a clear consensus to do so, reverting to Rift's last version. Thisiscarmend (talk) 01:12, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Thisiscarmend, I didn't endorse any version. See WP:WRONGVERSION. Please stop discussing this here, it needs to be at relevant talk pages or noticeboards. You need to understand Wikipedia policies and guidelines and not get obsessed with individual articles. Fences&Windows 11:24, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

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Deleted page content request

Hello. Is it okay if you could give me the contents of the deleted hoax page Lemopelop? RotatingPirateShip (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi RotatingPirateShip. It was a blatant hoax by Bells899 about a non-existent 1980s brand of popsicle. How did you come across it and why do you want the content? Fences&Windows 12:09, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
I found it clicking Random page, and I want the content out of morbid curiosity RotatingPirateShip (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
Random page wouldn't show it because that only shows current mainspace articles. Hello, Bells899. Please don't return to hoaxing - and, no, you can't see your hoax again. Fences&Windows 21:55, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

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Ello

I'm just a newer user trying to make new friends in the professional setting. I love cats (have four of them) and science (primarily astronomy) and love Minecraft and its OST. I'm autistic (hence the hyperfixations) and have anxiety (I get nervous in person) and just wanted to thank you for your valuable support as an administrator of this website! Your team of admins are truly incredible, and I also dream of being an administrator some day in the near future. I recently graduated high school! I plan to attend a transitional program in MN to learn more about life! Just stopping by to say hello, and I hope you have a WONDERFUL day, friendo. 🩷Thatg1rlAv3ry🩷 (Talk to me!!) 16:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Thatg1rl Av3ry, thanks for the message. I edit in all sorts of areas, including politics and science, though not often in astronomy. I think being a Wikipedian is a great complement to scholarship, as both try to use objectivity and sourcing. I hope your university experience is a good one. I became an admin way back in 2009, when they handed out the mop like candy. These days, you need to good track record of content creation (not necessarily good or featured articles) alongside constructive contributions to noticeboards, RfCs, and deletion discussions. Remember to prioritise your wellbeing and take breaks if and when it gets too much - the site will be just fine without any of us contributing for a while. Fences&Windows 19:48, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of One Leicester

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CS1 error on 1994 European Parliament election in the United Kingdom

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Elen Menaker of Panjo 5

You are not allowed to place Panjo 5 mention on Elen Levon's page without proof that Elen levon was in Panjo 5. Wikipedia is not a source. Panjo 5 had several members, find that article where it lists all members, including Elen Levon. Or place Elen Menaker alias of Panjo 5. Olivebranch68 (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Olivebranch68 - what edit are you referring to? I removed trivia after seeing your post at WP:BLPN. Don't get too worked up about this bio, she hasn't performed for a decade so there's no rush. Fences&Windows 19:57, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Some pretzels for you!

Thank you!
A pretzel is a type of baked pastry made from dough that is commonly shaped into a knot.

Thank you for helping me with the Pamela Fitzpatrick article! Pretzel Quetzal (talk) 12:57, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, Pretzel Quetzal, that's the first barnstar-like comment I've had in a long time! If you're interested in editing further in similar areas, many of the parties under Category:Locally based political parties in the United Kingdom and Category:Socialist parties in the United Kingdom need attention to add significant coverage from national reliable sources to avert deletion. I recently restored Socialist Alliance (England) with a total rewrite following its earlier PROD deletion. I'm now working on List of Labour Party breakaway parties (UK). Fences&Windows 13:13, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, I'll have a look at those lists when I have time.
Just to let you know, someone's nominated the article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pamela Fitzpatrick but only notified me, I thought to notify you as you contributed as well. Pretzel Quetzal (talk) 09:33, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
Thanks Pretzel Quetzal, they're sadly on a crusade against local politics. They incorrectly think SNGs override GNG, which with rare exceptions they do not. Fences&Windows 10:56, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

editor JuanBoss105 still adding unsourced material

Writing to you because you previously gave a one-month block for this. Editor made 6 edits to Full Surface Records yesterday that introduced a lot of unsourced material (as well as deleting a fair amount of sourced material). Also --the first chunk is unsourced. M kuhner (talk) 14:36, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

M kuhner, that batch of six edits looks like copyediting and using existing sources: I verified the added quote. Please discuss any concerns with the editor and on the talk pages, raise with me or ANI if it can't be resolved. I understand why you came to me, but I'm not immediately seeing cause for admin action. Fences&Windows 22:47, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
Okay, will do. M kuhner (talk) 23:32, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

Question about the ANI closure

Hi, I saw that you closed the ANI discussion. Just for your context this is my first ever experience with ANI. I just want to better understand the close, and I’d appreciate some clarification. Actually, I’m still not fully sure how this addresses my original questions. The close states that my comments were “clearly AI-generated” and breached LLMTALK. Could you please explain what proofs led to that conclusion, especially in light of the guidance at WP:AIDETECTIVE that shows not to rely too much on one’s own judgment when identifying AI-generated text? Is this all in line with WP:AGF? Does the close reflect due diligence rather than being rushed or one sided? Q3YZFU5RM4X (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

Q3YZFU5RM4X, lying about LLM use is a good way to get indefinitely blocked. Are you claiming that you wrote the words "Those shortcuts contain several considerations, some of which seem potentially relevant to attributed or contextual discussion of terminology"? That is the generic voiceless pap that LLMs generate and no human would ever write. You admitted that you "use AI tools for suggestions or improvements". Beyond direct translation and simple copyedits, you may not use LLMs. We want to hear your thoughts and ideas, not comments generated by a next-token guessing machine. One sign from your comment here is using ’ instead of ". AGF only goes so far, see WP:PACT. Fences&Windows 13:16, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
I'm trying my best to assume good faith in you and other editors I interact with, but I'm a human being and can make mistakes, it feels illogical that bad word choices and weak arguments automatically mean it is LLM-generated content. All I'm looking for is answers on the process that is being followed to see if it is aligned with all applicable/relevant Wiki policies but I'm unable to understand why it is being sidelined.
I believe if "generic voiceless pap" has a valid use case (such as to make an argument more calm or disinterested then) it should not be be considered LLM talk, I'd say "generic voiceless pap" should be encouraged in heated and contentious debates.
The quotation omits the qualifying word "may", which changes the meaning. Please quote the text in full.
Can you please explain this: "One sign from your comment here is using ’ instead of "."? When? Where exactly? Q3YZFU5RM4X (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
For some context, a probably overlooked point in the AN discussion was made by a TA pointing out their third edit is probably the baseline example for Q3's natural writing style. FDW777 (talk) 17:24, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Q3YZFU5RM4X, you may not use LLMs on Wikipedia other than for translation and copyediting. There are many signs in your comments of inappropriate use: the one I highlighted is vacuous to the point of uselessness. It did not contribute to the conversation and no human would ever write that. You 100% did not write that sentence.
I slipped in my typing, I meant you always use a curly apostrophe - most people don't use those on Wikipedia as you have to specifically select them when typing. The default is straight quotes.
Please stop simultaneously denying inappropriate LLM use while trying to persuade people it's OK for you to use LLMs to generate comments. Fences&Windows 22:48, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Please read WP:AIDETECTIVE and WP:AGF. Q3YZFU5RM4X (talk) 06:14, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
Due to this unsatisfactory response to my question I'm inclined to take this to ANI now, unless this can be dealt with sooner? FDW777 (talk) 08:30, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
It's probably too soon to go back to ANI, but their complete misunderstanding of what the word "may" means in English in this context makes it very clear to me that this editor does not have the English fluency to write the edits that are most obviously using LLMs. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 09:48, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with this, FDW777 and CoffeeCrumbs. They could have let this lie after the ANI closure but instead continued to evade and wikilawyer. I decided to put a stop to the dance and indef block them. Fences&Windows 12:08, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
Sadly, I totally understand why it needed to be done. I don't understand why this editor, at the start, couldn't have just said "OK, I used LLMs, I won't do it again," and then have the whole thing end quietly. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
Yep. Instead of accepting the unanimous decision leading to the close, we had this bizarre stance of admitting to using AI (per user page) while simultaenously saying there's no proof they did use AI and refusing to answer a direct question about what most people consider to be a decisive piece of evidence. FDW777 (talk) 14:58, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

Idle curiosity

I run the Admin Highlighter script which highlights admins' signatures in cyan. I was surprised to see you protect an article at ANI because you weren't cyan. There are more important things in the world, but I just wondered why you don't trigger this previously infallible script, assuming you know, cheers Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:04, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

Jimfbleak, I don't know the script but maybe my signature background overrides the script? I have a similar script enabled that strikes through blocked users. Fences&Windows 22:52, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Thanks, I guess the background colour is the most likely explanation. My signature only uses font colour, which is obviously unaffected. The admin highlighter is useful because, on the whole, I tend to assume an admin knows what they are doing. I also use a script that highlights my own edits in yellow, which makes them easy to find in long threads. Thanks again, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:31, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

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