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Edits reverted as "AI content" – how to restore?
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Hello Teahouse, I'm seeking guidance after a series of improvements to the article Ricky K. Patel were reverted on 31 March 2026 by editor Zackmann08 with the summary "Massive dump of ai content." The edits were intended to genuinely improve the article — specifically to:
The reliable sources I found and intended to use include:
I posted a full list of these sources on the article's Talk page: Talk:Ricky K. Patel#Request for editor assistance: improving article with reliable sources. My questions are:
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. ~2026-19815-43 (talk) 22:26, 2 April 2026 (UTC) | |
- I am not sure how you think this AI-generated comment was going to help your case in proving that your edit was not AI-generated. Athanelar (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- They may have no correlation. Wikipedian12512(alt) (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- For one thing, adding all the new information first and only then trying to add the citations is not a good idea: it means that for at least a period of time it is present in the article without proper referencing. It would be better to formulate each new piece of information together with a correct citation in, for example, a sandbox, and insert them into the article 'in one go'. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-76101-8 (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- @19815 Please read WP:NOLLM. You are not allowed to add text generated by a large language model to articles except in very narrow circumstances.
- And please do not use LLMs to generate talk page messages. If you have concerns with an article, then we want to talk to you about it, not your chatbot.
- Furthermore, if the sources were found by your chatbot, they might not support the article content, or worse, might be hallucinated. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 02:21, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
- I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. I have tons of news articles, publications, etc. about myself, but I ended up hiring two different Wikipedia editors to help me place the information correctly. They charged me thousands of dollars and disappeared. One of them did a horrible job and is now trying to charge me hundreds more to make edits. I asked Claude to help me come up with a solution and it helped me find all the legitimate articles and put everything together. If you are telling me that I cannot do that, I understand — I genuinely didn't know about the LLM policy. Maybe you can help me find someone who is trustworthy to help correctly fix my Wikipedia page? Thank you so much for your help. I'm truly an amateur at this. ~2026-19815-43 (talk) 01:37, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-19815-43 I'm sorry to see that you were scammed. Even if the funds are unrecoverable, the anti-scam team would be interested in seeing relevant correspondence. You can send this to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org – see Wikipedia:Scam warning for more information.The usual procedure for requesting changes to an article about yourself is with an edit request. There's a simplified guide at Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. I will submit the emails from the scammers. This has been going on for years. I finally was able to get my page up. ~2026-19815-43 (talk) 03:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-19815-43 I'm sorry to see that you were scammed. Even if the funds are unrecoverable, the anti-scam team would be interested in seeing relevant correspondence. You can send this to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org – see Wikipedia:Scam warning for more information.The usual procedure for requesting changes to an article about yourself is with an edit request. There's a simplified guide at Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. I have tons of news articles, publications, etc. about myself, but I ended up hiring two different Wikipedia editors to help me place the information correctly. They charged me thousands of dollars and disappeared. One of them did a horrible job and is now trying to charge me hundreds more to make edits. I asked Claude to help me come up with a solution and it helped me find all the legitimate articles and put everything together. If you are telling me that I cannot do that, I understand — I genuinely didn't know about the LLM policy. Maybe you can help me find someone who is trustworthy to help correctly fix my Wikipedia page? Thank you so much for your help. I'm truly an amateur at this. ~2026-19815-43 (talk) 01:37, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
Page seemingly not made the proper way?
Hi guys, newbie here!
I was looking at recent edits and I noticed that Wilmington General Hospital was getting edited a lot by a temp user. The edits they made were seemingly good faith, I checked it out, reformatted the page, added some categories, ya know the spiel.
However, when I looked at the edit history, it appears that the temp user in question has complained on this page using a different temp account, and changed the page from a redirect to a full-fledged page, removing the redirect and adding information.
I wanted to know if I should be telling someone about this on a different part of Wikipedia or doing anything to remedy the fact. I know that there is probably a process to making the article an actual article, and from what I've learned so far the temp user in question, @~2026-20934-20, is acting very boldly.
If I should just ignore and carry on with my not-so busy day, also let me know
JanManisijun (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
- There is no specific process to make the article an actual article. If this new article is well referenced and well written then nothing should be done. Ruslik_Zero 20:21, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
- Okay thank you ! JanManisijun (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
- @JanManisijun the article in it's current state, however, is not well-referenced. If you're interested, you can look for additional sourced to check if the hospital meets the notability guidelines. If it doesn't, you can submit the page for deletion (the easiest way to do this is to use Twinkle, which is explained at the top of WP:AFDHOWTO). 🍅 fx (talk) 01:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Okay thank you ! JanManisijun (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
- @JanManisijun Yes, I can see what you mean. The user has declared the redirect to be incorrect - which we only have their word for - and has now written a short article that ordinarily would have had to go through AfC. MmeMaigret (talk) 12:14, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
AfC draft declined — Czech punk band
- abundant sourcing in established publications, mostly offline print. Need experienced eyes.
Hi, I’m hoping to find an experienced editor willing to help shepherd a draft article through the AfC process.
The article is about Dirty Pictures, a Czech punk rock band formed in Prague in 1992. The draft was submitted recently and declined on notability grounds, but the sourcing is genuinely strong — the band received coverage in major Czech national newspapers (Lidové Noviny, Blesk, Český Deník), cover stories and features in Czech music magazines Bang! and Rock & Pop, as well as coverage outside the ČR: Badische Zeitung, NME (a 1994 piece covering Joe Strummer’s appearance at a benefit concert the band organized in Prague), and MTV.
The core challenge is that most of these sources are pre-internet print publications with no online presence. The sources are all cited in the draft & I have scans of every clipping but the initial reviewer appears to have been unfamiliar with the Czech music press of the era.
Would any experienced editor be willing to take a look at the draft and advise, or potentially help with resubmission? Happy to provide all source material.
Full disclosure: I created this draft on behalf of a founding member of the band, who provided all the sources.
Draft:Dirty Pictures. Griffinbunny (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hellom I fixed your link to the draft, the whole url is not needed.
- Please review the conflict of interest rules to learn how to formally disclose your conflict of interest.
- Sources do not need to be online, as long as they are reliable sources and they are publicly available; books or magazines available in a library are fine. Documents purely in private hands, however, are not. 331dot (talk) 01:25, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response and for fixing the link and for the guidance on sources. Regarding verifiability, these are all published journalism from established Czech publications including major national newspapers and the leading music magazines of the era. I would expect all of them to be available in Czech library archives, though I haven't personally confirmed this. Griffinbunny (talk) 23:55, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, @Griffinbunny. To add to what 331dot says: the sources also have to be independent of the subject. I have not attempted to look at your sources, but very often newspaper pieces on bands turn out to be mostly based on an interview with the band or their associates, and such sources do not contribute to establishing notability.
- Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you! Noted on source independence. The vast majority of citations are reviews, news coverage, and feature journalism, not interview-based pieces. The sources speak about the band independently rather than quoting the band about themselves. Griffinbunny (talk) 23:57, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Griffinbunny To help reviewers verify your sources, you could complete the citations, add translated titles, and try to find links (at the very least) for the sig cov sources that you want to rely on, refer WP:42. Is there an article for this band on Czech Wikipedia? MmeMaigret (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you so much — this is very helpful. I can add translated titles to the citations. Regarding links, whatever links exist are already built into the citations. Almost all sources are pre-internet print -- I have access to the actual clippings for all of them, and they are all published journalism from established publications but they do not, to my knowledge, exist online (maybe they're on microfilm at a library somewhere?). Re Czech Wikipedia — no article exists yet, though the band is referenced on the Lukáš Vincour and Joe Strummer pages. I feel like a big part of the problem is that I am a 100% newbie here on Wikipedia. I am hoping to find an experienced editor to help shepherd the re-submission. Griffinbunny (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
Which sources are allowed for product information?
I'm trying to expand Sol de Janeiro by adding a section about what they manufacture as they are mainly known for their products, but it's been a while since I edited and i only really edited about techniques, hobbies n games, so wouldnt know anyway. Please let me know... thanks for the assistance! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 07:17, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- To add a section just put 2 equal signs before, and after the section name. And also you can add sources that are trustable (So like the original google page of the product. If this wasn't the thing you were looking for feel free to message me on my talk page! Balintkaistryingediting (Balint's Info, Talk, Balint's Edits) 07:58, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I know how to add a source and a section to pages - the problem with beauty brands is that most reliable sources are either the online store or fashion mags that often promote the product. Years ago I was trying to add correct information to pages about nail extensions and only sources i could find are industry/brand mags... and Sol is a beauty brand specializing in lotions/perfumery so it is quite similar. Thanks for your help though! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 08:09, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well i am not the best help i can see that however, I'd say to Just add any source you can and if there is a problem with that the sysops will tell you. Balintkaistryingediting (Balint's Info, Talk, Balint's Edits) 08:15, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don’t think it’s a good idea to add just any source. Wikipedia prefers reliable, independent, and secondary sources. You might have to take a look at WP:RS. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well i am not the best help i can see that however, I'd say to Just add any source you can and if there is a problem with that the sysops will tell you. Balintkaistryingediting (Balint's Info, Talk, Balint's Edits) 08:15, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think the "original google page of the product" is accepted as a reliable source. Reliable sources should be secondary, independent, and provide significant coverage of the topic. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, not quite, TheGreatEditor024. The reliability of a source is independent of the depth with which it discusses the subject of an article. If a secondary, independent and reliable source says something minor about the subject of an article, the source may be cited for this. (Its minor coverage won't contribute to a demonstration of the notability of the subject, however.) --- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, one of my articles was rejected because the sources did not give significant coverage on the subject. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I suspect that two related but different problems have got conflated here, TheGreatEditor024. But if you provide a diff, I'll comment on it. -- Hoary (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, It's about my Samuel Chang Jae-on article. The sources were just only mentions and some sources did not give significant converge on the topic. But, all information are reliable and independent. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 01:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- TheGreatEditor024, you've been repeatedly warned on Draft:Samuel Chang Jae-on that
The draft requires multiple published secondary sources that: provide significant coverage....
You have not been warned that the draft may not cite sources that don't "provide significant coverage" (='say much'). All cited sources must be reliable. For the great majority of purposes, cited sources must be independent. All drafts must demonstrate the notability of their subjects; and in order to demonstrate this, a draft must cite sources that do say a lot (and are reliable, and are independent). Neither the templates atop your draft nor any guideline I've heard of says that an article may not supplement citations of sources that are reliable and independent and say a lot with citations of reliable and independent sources that don't say much. That said, it's better to avoid citing more than a very few minor sources when submitting a draft: in quantity, they tend to exhaust the patience of reviewer, and prospective reviewers might look at the draft and decide that they can't be bothered to do a review. -- Hoary (talk) 06:55, 7 April 2026 (UTC)- I know, that is why I abandoned the draft. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 07:10, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- TheGreatEditor024, you've been repeatedly warned on Draft:Samuel Chang Jae-on that
- Well, It's about my Samuel Chang Jae-on article. The sources were just only mentions and some sources did not give significant converge on the topic. But, all information are reliable and independent. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 01:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- I suspect that two related but different problems have got conflated here, TheGreatEditor024. But if you provide a diff, I'll comment on it. -- Hoary (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, one of my articles was rejected because the sources did not give significant coverage on the subject. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- yeah thats why i asked - the subject already has a page, but i did feel it focused more on influencers and the infamous spider hoax than what we all know the subject for - lotions and perfumes ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 12:21, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, not quite, TheGreatEditor024. The reliability of a source is independent of the depth with which it discusses the subject of an article. If a secondary, independent and reliable source says something minor about the subject of an article, the source may be cited for this. (Its minor coverage won't contribute to a demonstration of the notability of the subject, however.) --- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I know how to add a source and a section to pages - the problem with beauty brands is that most reliable sources are either the online store or fashion mags that often promote the product. Years ago I was trying to add correct information to pages about nail extensions and only sources i could find are industry/brand mags... and Sol is a beauty brand specializing in lotions/perfumery so it is quite similar. Thanks for your help though! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 08:09, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, @Draco Centauros, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what the majority of people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, (see Golden rule) and not much else. What you know (or anybody else knows) about the subject is not relevant except where it can be verified from a reliable published source.
- If reliable, independent sources with significant coverage of the brand do not exist, then (like most brands and companies in the world) it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and not article is possbile. See WP:42 for a simple guide to the kinds of sources we are looking at. ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 12:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- The article already exists though and unless it has survived despite the subject not being notable (in which case, it should be deleted), the issue here is rather what sources would be acceptable for supporting content about product information. My answer, Draco Centauros, is that the company's own website is fine as a source for basic, uncontroversial information about their product range (per WP:ABOUTSELF), but also that Wikipedia articles aren't directories (per WP:NOTDIRECTORY), so it's not necessarily appropriate to list all of their products in the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
Edit deemed not to appear constructive .
Dear Sir/Madam
I made an edit to
Atlantic 85-class lifeboat re the SIMS system on the Atlantic 85 in Skerries. It was made by former crew member and used by numerous crew both in this station and other stations. I was informed by BlueStaticHorse the edit "did not appear constructive" . I am seeking clarity on what is needed considered to appear constructive?
After asking that question , the reply is now that the video has not been cited properly, with no direct reply to the originial query as to what is considered to "appear constructive"?
Yours sincerely
Stephen Campion (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- The statement that your edit "did not appear constructive" is simply the wording used by the stock warning template that many automated tools use when reverting an edit. Don't get bogged down in that wording, focus on the more specific feedback, which is that you did not provide a reliable citation for the information you wanted to add. That said, this was an inappropriate warning for this user to give you in response to this edit, and I will inform them of such. Athanelar (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Dear Athanelar
- Thank you for your reply and clarification .
- The issue that I was confused about is that the feedback was not specific, constructive and turns out neither accurate or precise . I sought clarification . "Don't get bogged down in the wording" is not helpful and to my understanding the reason why you, and others give of their time to keep Wikipedia accurate , precise and constructive.
- Thank you for your time on this .
- Kind regards Stephen Campion (talk) 16:36, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, you already asked this on your talk page and got a reply. Your edit was reverted for not citing the source correctly; "did not appear constructive" was just the default warning message used by the anti-vandalism tool of the person who reverted it.
- P.S. Wikipedia is not email, there's no need to use phrases like Dear Sir/Madam or Yours sincerely on talk pages. 🍅 fx (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I agree that Wikipedia is not email, but I do think that nobody has ever been justly reprimanded for politeness, and many for the converse. Wikipedian12512 (talk) 03:33, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- The reason I reverted the edit was because the video was linked directly, not cited as it should have been. The generic, good faith, level 1 warning was placed on your talk page. You asked for clarification, and I responded with the proper ways to cite a video. If you need help further or still have questions, please specify what you need. I'm sorry if I don't understand your query. BlueStaticHorse (talk)(they/them) 16:10, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
"The reason I reverted the edit was because the video was linked directly, not cited as it should have been."
-In that case, why didn't you convert it to a citation?- The reason we are here now is apparently because you used a vandalism template for an edit that was not vandalism. Please don't do that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:11, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I recommend seeing this page for a list of other templates that you could insert into talk pages.--DollarStoreBa'alConverse 13:11, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
- We don't use external links in the body of an article so it was removed. Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
article submission
Hello. I have a declared conflict of interest regarding this biographical article. I've prepared a fully sourced draft at User:Rforzoni/sandbox using only independent secondary sources including The Guardian, The Times, The Sunday Times, The Observer, The Scotsman, ESPN, The Psychologist (British Psychological Society) and Carter-Ruck solicitors.
Previous submissions were declined for reliance on the subject's own website and use of The Daily Mail. This new version contains zero self-published sources and no Daily Mail references. Every factual claim is supported by at least one independent third-party source with editorial oversight.
I would be grateful if an uninvolved editor could review the draft and advise whether it meets notability and sourcing requirements for submission through Articles for Creation. Thank you. ~~~~
Rforzoni (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Are you independent of the subject?
- Just asking Sillcosisgogol (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- OP's first words here were
"I have a declared conflict of interest regarding this biographical article"
. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:00, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- OP's first words here were
- Given that you are still asking an AI to write for you, which is not allowed per WP:NEWLLM, the answer is no, it will not be accepted. Do not use AI to edit or communicate on Wikipedia. Why are you creating a new page instead of editing Draft:Roberto Forzoni? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Gonna be honest... seeing that edit you linked was hilarious. --DollarStoreBa'alConverse 13:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for you feedback! Very constructive Rforzoni (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
- Gonna be honest... seeing that edit you linked was hilarious. --DollarStoreBa'alConverse 13:13, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
Talk:Lori Hoxha
At talk page of Lori Hoxha article, i made an reply to an editor about an website reference that was removed/replaced , telling my opinion and my point of view.The editor as response sayed this : Dont make me go open a discussion/request to blacklist teksteshqip wiki-wide as a source. Please! G. , this behaviour is not acceptable and as i see this user is kind of conflictual with agressive tendence also at other wikis/metas specially at sq wiki. Could please someone an experienced editor/autoritative respond on this?.Thank you ~2026-21329-72 (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- If TexteShqip is, as @GLOBALIST LIBERTARIAN says, a user-generated site, then it is not a reliable source, and should not be cited in an article. See Verifiability for the policy.
- Your comment about a "practical reality" is irrelevant: Wikipedia is not going to drop its standards because there are no reliable sources in one region or industry. Unfortunately, that means that some groups of people are underrepresented in Wikipedia, but that is the policy.
- Having said all that, it's not clear to me whether anybody can edit information on TexteShqip, or if only the person that posted it can do so. If the latter is the case, then it possibly counts as a self-published source, which may be used for limited uncontroversial factual information. I think it would be worth soliciting opinions at the WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- as website is kind of "database" of artists mostly musicants, when a person submit info-s about certain artist example an x singer bio,birthday and birthdate, that website has staff that verifies info-s and if are correct infos, than published, saying this its not as editor sayed at talk page, also his behaviour that saying : Dont make me go open a discussion/request to blacklist teksteshqip wiki-wide as a source. Please! G. , this is not correct and good way. ~2026-21329-72 (talk) 21:58, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hi 21329,
- I think I agree that G. L.'s comment was a bit strange and defensive. I hope they see this thread and explain their point of view to you in a more amicable way. However, as explained by ColinFine, their actual concerns about using TexteShqip as a source are very valid. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 22:34, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- @MEN KISSING @ColinFine I have been having a discussion with an admin (and one user who supports the abusive actions of the admin) on the local sq.wiki about a certain article, and I suspect this temp IP user is one of them (I dont want to name him, this is my explanation for my tone.). They (admin) have been deleting a well sourced article without giving warning, without discussing, without offering advice for improvements. This I think is an attempt to "dirty" my reputation on the en.wiki, because I challanged one of them to go and try delete the en.wiki equivalent like they did with the sq.wiki article. The article they have deleted abusively on sq.wiki without discussion, has an en.wiki equivalent, which currently remains unchallanged to improvements or other sort of discussions.
- Regarding teksteshqip, I stand by what I said there. They are widely using in on the sq.wiki to open articles about BigBrother partecipants who are imo singers in name only (no noticability). They can force their hand on sq.wiki because that is the nature of adminship abuse on small wikis. I dont have time to do it myself, but I strongly recommend blacklisting that source especially for use on biographies. G. L. Talk 11:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Nobody has a "reputation" to "dirty" on en.Wikipedia: Users are judged solely by the quality of their edits and conduct. With several tens of thousands of long-term regular editors, and over 100,000 different editors in any month-long period, there is little scope for personalised vendettas unless they have been brought here from off-Wiki (including from other-language Wikipedias such as the Albanian you mention), and they are not relevant or welcome here.
- About 'teksteshqip' I have no opinion: you may be right about its non-Reliability, but in any case, even if it were deprecated on en.Wikipedia by listing it as such in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, this would not be 'global' or 'wiki-wide', and I suspect it would have to be much worse that appears from the above to merit a global ban.
- (In case you wonder, I am not one of your nefarious enemies hiding under a TA: I care so little about "reputation" that in over 20 years editing en.Wikipedia I have just never bothered to open an account.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-76101-8 (talk) 14:17, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hey, FYI, if you're referring to a single object, use the word 'a' if the next word DOES NOT start with a vowel (e.g. 'a reply'), and use the word 'an' if the next word DOES start with a vowel (e.g. 'an editor').--DollarStoreBa'alConverse 13:17, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
Short description
I'm curious about the formatting of short descriptions. Where would I find guidance on best practices there? Tioaeu8943 (talk) 00:26, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hi and nice to meet you! We have an information section about short description formatting at WP:SDFORMAT.
- In short, a description should usually:
- Be less than 40 characters
- Start with a capital letter but not end with a full stop/period
- Not start with the word the, a or an
- Not use markup such as bold or italics
- enbi [they/them] • [talk] 00:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Use Template:Short description. Versions111 (talk • contribs) 07:18, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification, that helps. Tioaeu8943 (talk) 14:36, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
Need help moving AfC draft to Draft namespace & a quick notability check
Hello everyone, I recently submitted an AfC draft currently located in my sandbox: User:Joss luo/sandbox. I noticed the template suggests moving it to the Draft namespace, but my account is not yet autoconfirmed so I get a permission error. Could a volunteer please help me move it to Draft:iScreen?
Also, to establish notability, I have recently updated the draft with several independent secondary sources (such as coverage from AppleWorld.Today and Ohsem.me). Knowing the AfC queue is quite long, I would be incredibly grateful if an experienced editor could do a quick sanity check while moving it, to see if these sources meet the general notability guidelines. Any feedback is highly appreciated. Thank you! Joss luo (talk) 03:12, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, Joss luo. I see no independent sources providing significant coverage to this software. Content based on PR Newswire releases is not independent, since the company pays for that material to be sent out. The AppleWorld.Today content is brief and almost certainly generated by company public relations efforts. It is clearly not significant, in depth coverage. Nothing published by the company is of any value in meeting the general notability guideline. You need references to much higher quality sources. If they do not exist, then the software is not yet eligible for a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:07, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello ,Cullen328. thank you for your candid feedback and for taking the time to review my request. I completely understand your point regarding the independence and depth of the previous sources.
- I am actively working on improving the draft by incorporating more significant, independent editorial coverage. I have recently identified a few curated listicles and reviews from tech sites like iGeeksBlog, which I believe offer more independent editorial selection compared to simple news announcements.
- I will continue to hunt for more in-depth, secondary sources to meet the General Notability Guidelines before resubmitting. I appreciate your guidance on what constitutes a "high-quality" source for a software article. Thank you! Joss luo (talk) 06:23, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- I would avoid things like listicles, which are rarely considered reliable coverage since they're typically not very deep, but rather clickbaity and superficial. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 10:12, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Are listicles articles generally considered untrustworthy? I can guarantee that it is not a PR piece, but I am unsure about its authoritative standing.Please help me review this.https://9to5mac.com/2024/08/22/7-widgets-that-make-standby-mode-worth-using/ Joss luo (talk) 03:43, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, @Joss luo, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- GPTZero agrees with me that your comment above was generated by an LLM. While this is not forbidden in talk and discussion pages (as it is in articles), it is not recommended. We want to talk to you, not your robot.
- I don't know whether it was you or your robot that suggested listicles and a blog; but since LLMs have no understanding of the meaning of the patterns they generate, they are incapable of understanding that neither of these is likely to be useful as a reliable source in a Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 10:50, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- I would avoid things like listicles, which are rarely considered reliable coverage since they're typically not very deep, but rather clickbaity and superficial. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 10:12, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
unable to publish an article
Hello, I am trying to submit a new article about Ragu Esaki (an Indian film actor) for Wikipedia. I've been trying to publish it through the Articles for Creation process, but every time I click "Publish page" on the draft, nothing happens, the page just stays the same and doesn't publish.
I've tried:
- Using the sandbox
- Using the draft article creation form
- Removing templates
- Using different browsers
But I keep getting stuck at the publish step. Can someone help me submit this article? The article is at: Draft:Ragu Esaki
Thank you for your help! Priya122001 (talk) 06:16, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Priya122001: there's no record of you having tried to edit Draft:Ragu Esaki. However, you do have content on that subject in your sandbox User:Priya122001/sandbox. I'll move it into the draft space, you can then take it from there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:23, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Done. It's now at Draft:Ragu Esaki. I also added the AfC template which you can use to submit the draf for a review, when you feel it's ready. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hi thank you so much for your assistance but I am still unable to publish it. Could you please guide me? Priya122001 (talk) 10:12, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Also keep in mind that this article is not very well sourced, sourced only to an interview with Esaki and quotes by a co-star, and if you submitted at this point, it would almost certainly be declined. Wikipedia is mostly interested in how reliable sources, independent of subjects, describe those subjects. Wikipedia is not very interested in what a subject or their colleagues say about the person. All disputable facts ought to be cited to a reliable, supporting source. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 10:11, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- AHH thank you so much for your advice, I understand. But I just want to give it a shot by publishing. Could you please guide me? Priya122001 (talk) 10:20, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, @Priya122001, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- I will offer you some advice, though it may not be what you want to hear:.
- Successfully writing an article starts by finding independent, reliable, substantial sources about the the subject - each of them meeting all the criteria in WP:42. Doing anything else on the article before you have done that is quite likely to be time wasted, because if you cannot find those sources, then no article is possible. Writing a draft before looking for those sources is like building a house without first surveying the land to make sure it is fit to build on, or making foundations for the house: it's probably going to fall down and waste your effort.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Priya122001 For example, the draft says in WP:Wikivoice "
his performances proved that he is a strong character actor who can handle serious and meaningful roles.
. Says who? You? We don't allow such comments unless attributed, as they violate the neutrality and verifiability policies. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2026 (UTC) - "Giving it a shot by publishing" is a poor approach that is unlikely to be successful. Wikipedia's main constraint isn't money, but time, and reviewing articles takes the time of volunteers, so unless you have a good faith belief that the article meets Wikipedia's standards, it should not be submitted. AFC is not a slot machine where you keep getting to crank the handle as long as you keep putting coins in. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 11:15, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- GOT IT! Thank you so muchhhhh! i understand. I appreciate your honesty and patience.
- I have a few more doubts, my apologies. The person I'm creating the wikipedia for is not a famous actor, hence they do not have multiple articles written about them. So my doubt is...can only people who have multiple articles or news or blogs written about them have a wikipedia page? like someone famous? Priya122001 (talk) 12:13, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- It's not about "fame" per se, it's about what Wikipedia calls notability, but proving notability does generally require proving that somebody else has already written about the person first. Athanelar (talk) 13:50, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Generally speaking, yes, the vast majority of people who are notable for Wikipedia's purposes will have multiple, independent articles/studies/commentaries about them. After all, since we source content primarily from those independent sources with a history of factchecking, if these sources don't exist, we would have very little content. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Priya122001 When you said "the person I'm creating the Wikipedia for" does that mean you are doing it on behalf of him? In which case you need to declare a conflict of interest. ~2026-20856-07 (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you!
- And yes, I am doing it on behalf of that person. He is a friend of mine. So all the information I've provided is true. And what does declaring a conflict of interest mean? Priya122001 (talk) 07:28, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Priya122001 See WP:DISCLOSE for how to do this into the talk page of your draft. Wikipedia can't take your word that things are "true": we rely on published reliable sources that verify all the statements. See also the policy for biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:13, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Priya122001 When you said "the person I'm creating the Wikipedia for" does that mean you are doing it on behalf of him? In which case you need to declare a conflict of interest. ~2026-20856-07 (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- AHH thank you so much for your advice, I understand. But I just want to give it a shot by publishing. Could you please guide me? Priya122001 (talk) 10:20, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
Hello from a new editor
Hi, I'm KPremaswini. I've recently started editing and I'm focusing on improving clarity and sourcing in articles. Looking forward to learning from the community. (talk) 06:17, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- @KPremaswini Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! To get started, you should take a look at the introductory guide to Wikipedia first, alongside everything you need to know. Since you're looking to improve clarity and sourcing in articles, you should look at guides such at WP:Verifiability, WP:Reliable sources, and the Manual of Style :3 Hope you enjoy your stay here! nhals8 (rats in the house of the dead) 08:31, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- I had a good start by going on The Wikipedia Adventure, it's a really helpful and interactive guide to editing! Hi, I'm Max!|Talk to me here.|See what I've done here. 18:34, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
is there any place where you can casually discuss stuff on wikipedia
i feel kinda embarrassed writing this.. i know that you could just like... go up and speak to somebody but like I need to meet someone also who got randomly recommended and also experienced the glory of the Zzyzx (film) article on wikipedia
maybe i just need to get better at socialising idk XD ~2026-21350-57 (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- No, there isn't such a place here. If you think a purposeful discussion on how to improve the article Zzyzx (film) might be helpful, you're most welcome to initiate it at Talk:Zzyzx (film). Outside Wikipedia, opportunities for socializing abound. -- Hoary (talk) 07:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-21350-57 not here, since this is not social media. There is, however, a Wikipedia Discord server which does have a channel for off-topic casual discussions. 🍅 fx (talk) 10:03, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- It's important to note that while the Wikimedia Discord does have an off-topic channel, the Discord still is intended for active editors/contributors to Wikimedia projects like Wikipedia. I find it helpful to think of it like an office break room for volunteers, rather than a general space for anyone to chat about Wikipedia. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 21:20, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- You can hit up the talk page for the film Zzyzx to discuss ways to improve the article. -beefbaby182 (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest, I think you just can naturally make friendly relationships on Wikipedia just by doing the following things:
- Giving barnstars for awesome edits,
- Thanking people in the reversion history,
- Answering questions thoughtfully,
- And assuming good faith. Compliments can't go wrong either.
- But that was a great question! Wikipedian12512(alt) (talk) 20:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC)